Misplaced Pages

Revision as of 21:44, 12 January 2018

Am I messaging you right?

I'm editting from a phone, but I was able to see what you wrote. Thanks for welcoming me here! Sorry abouy that, you're right. I've been doing all of the digging myself, so my ability to be object is skewed.

I'll be more careful with future edits. I'll be sure to make sure the information I'm presenting is from an article.

I'm too close to it. :P MiltownkidZEE (talk) 22:26, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

@MiltownkidZEE: Message received, but it is usually more convenient to post comments under thread where discussion was started. I have temporarily added your talk page to my watchlist, so even if you posted your reply to your own talk page, I would have seen your comment. If you want to be sure that specific user sees your comment, you can create notification by using Template:Ping (like I'm doing right now). Good luck! Politrukki (talk) 23:13, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Welcome...?

I was going to post as 'welcome' template, but you obviously aren't new. What username did you previously go by? Or are you running multiple accounts? - WOLFchild 10:53, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

@Thewolfchild: Is that a loaded question in your pocket, or are you just glad to see me? Short answer to your question: this is my first and last account. Politrukki (talk) 18:12, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

Of course I'm "glad to see you"! I would never accuse you of ban evasion or running a sock account, based on your oh-so-interesting contribution history. Have a nice day. - WOLFchild 11:17, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

@Thewolfchild: Thanks! If you want to criticize my contributions, then please do so – for I cannot fathom any reason why I would ever need a sock account or why I should be banned. So nice to meet you. Politrukki (talk) 14:13, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

Nope... no criticisms or accusations here. I simply said your contribs were "interesting". Most people would take that as a compliment, not as suspicion. Bye. - WOLFchild 14:34, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

I'm glad Thewolfchild asked the question; that you are not a WP:Newbie is why I made this edit a month ago to see how you would react, and is why I am watching your account, just like I was watching this recently indefinitely blocked editor. But, anyway, it's not like you are under an official WP:Sock investigation. Flyer22 (talk) 23:17, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

Cruz talk page

The comments made by the editor were not BLP vios, they were personal opinion and original research and none of it was something that could be a liability issue for Misplaced Pages (that's why certain BLP guidelines exist). If they were, the other experienced editors commenting would have removed them. I urge you to restore what you removed, albeit leaving all of the section hatted. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 20:52, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

@Winkelvi: With respect, if you are absolutely sure that the material adheres to WP:BLPTALK, is your position that the material was (a) non-contentious or (b) sourced, however poorly?
My first reaction to said material was laughter. Later I thought that adding the material would possibly be a BLP violation, however small, but if the user had added a source – even a poor one – in good faith, possible violation would have been eliminated. Without your revert, I would probably have done nothing. Would you kindly explain how reinstating the material to closed discussion would improve the encyclopedia? The user repented and their self-revert was in no way disruptive. Hence nobody has been wronged.
Many thanks to you anyway! It's always nice to receive civil feedback. Politrukki (talk) 09:25, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

Tara Strong

I figured out what Tara Strongs home address is so I wanted to share it with the world. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Landensylvester (talk • contribs) 09:21, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

@Landensylvester: everyone has the right for privacy. Additionally information like phone numbers or postal addresses has no encyclopedic value. Frankly, I would recommend against sharing the address in any forum. The world would rather remain oblivious.
And if you're starting a new discussion on a talk page, please create a new section (by clicking New section link). Politrukki (talk) 20:46, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

Possible non-constructive comment

I didn't mean any offense by my comment . If you are offended then I apologize. I can even do a strike thru if you prefer. Steve Quinn (talk)

I am not offended. I'm a bit disappointed that it is so difficult to collaborate. I'll just ask you to tone down, and that is all I need. Politrukki (talk) 21:34, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

Hey, no problem. I will tone it down Steve Quinn (talk) 21:52, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

Edit-warring

With this edit, you appear to be making multiple reverts on an article subject to WP:1RR restrictions. Please self-revert or face the consequences. --Pete (talk) 21:55, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

For the record, baseless accusations were repeated here, where I have responded. Politrukki (talk) 10:15, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

Donald Trump sexual misconduct allegations

I am totally confused by what you're doing - Can you slow down for a sec, cause you're changing citations and their information and it doesn't look to me like the changes you are making are accurate. I'm going to put the article "in use" for 15 minutes to sort this out.--CaroleHenson (talk) 18:28, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

@CaroleHenson: I did not plan to do more changes in that section and I'm slow anyway, so please relax.

Okay, you seem to be confused... If you go to this revision before my edit and click , you'll end up into References section, and you should see that under ref #5 there's a quote After 11 months of turbo-charged rumors and worldwide publicity over their separation, Donald and Ivana Trump were granted a divorce yesterday.... Mr. Trump's lawyer, Jay Goldberg, said "I do not see any alternative but a trial.". I don't who put that there, but it's not a quote from the NBC News piece, but instead from the 1990 NYT piece.

I simply moved the quote under correct {{cite news}} template and removed the hidden comment you (if I recall correctly) left, because the hidden quote repeats the thing that's in {{cite news}} template, in |quote= parameter.

In your recent edit you removed one extraneous quotation mark I accidentally left, which was nice of you. However, according to your edit "obviously false" is from NBC source, which is not true. Does this clarify things? Politrukki (talk) 19:26, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

Yep, I was confused. It's a knee-jerk reaction to the number of times that the citation info has been messed up - I have at least 20 hours cleaning up citations that were removed, changed, etc. - but for the most part the editors that were making those changes have moved on. Today, I got concerned about where the correct source is for the settlement/withdrawn sentence and after that a source was wrong and I jerked faster than I needed to.

I was able to quickly see that the issues weren't due to your edits before I put the "in use" tag on. I should have said that it wasn't the most recent edits. I wasn't sure how far I might have to go back, and I do get confused sometimes if I'm processing too much at once (part of a disability) and wanted a space just to sort it out. The "obviously false" is from NPR, I'll make that change. We're cool! Thanks so much!--CaroleHenson (talk) 19:37, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

Oh, but I see that I hadn't looked at the combined edits before posting on your page. SOOOO, sorry!--CaroleHenson (talk) 19:38, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

My apologizes! I was very confused, my brain doesn't process like it used to - but due to a disability my responses are as quick as when I used to be able to and needed to accurately make "on the dime" kind of reactions! I should have never made this post on your page. A nice cup of tea for you as an apology?--CaroleHenson (talk) 19:45, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

@CaroleHenson: No problem! I didn't monitor Donald Trump sexual misconduct allegations closely until I myself became involved, but my impression is that you took a leadership role when it was much needed, and the article would be much worse without you. Just remember to occasionally take few steps back or you'll cross the line between leadership and ownership. I shall brew some lemon tea, and raise my cup for you.
BTW, your mention didn't work because you didn't sign your post, see Misplaced Pages:Notifications#Triggering events. Your another mention did work, and I will reply on the article talk page, after I've done some research and thinking. Politrukki (talk) 11:03, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the input, that's helpful! Love lemon tea - and ginger peach! I might have some lemon tea, too.

Thanks, for letting me know that the ping didn't work!! I'll tell Soham321 and he/she can do as they like.

Ok, no rush on your reply back. Thanks much!--CaroleHenson (talk) 11:20, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

Unusual edits

Thanks so much for so quickly identifying the issue and resolving it.

You had such great advice for me this morning, I hope you don't mind me checking in with you again. I was wondering what your thoughts are about how to handle situations that arise like this one in the future. I don't need to call out the entire fire brigade. Do you have any suggestions about how you would handle it?--CaroleHenson (talk) 20:10, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

Struck this out since you brought it up on the article talk page.--CaroleHenson (talk) 20:14, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

Re-ordering

Because you keep re-ordering the infoboxes ridiculously. I'm not sure what it is, because several editors have done it, but flipping the order of offices and particularly bringing all the term dates to the bottom of the box is ridiculous. I imagine it's because of something like the visual editor, but I honestly don't know why this keeps happening. Therequiembellishere (talk) 21:10, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

Honestly, that's such a small thing that I hadn't noticed it. Nothing else looked changed at all and the main thing I saw was a totally out-of-whack edit order. I don't really think it needs to be there because his name doesn't seem like it's at risk of line breaking anyway, nor do I see particular harm if someone's visual settings are set in a way that it does. But it's whatever.

I have no idea what you mean by "I ask that you'll just let things evolve naturally."Therequiembellishere (talk) 21:08, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

It's good to finally know it's the visual editor that's doing this though. Thanks for confirming that. Therequiembellishere (talk) 21:10, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

Cruz

That's fair, I just got the notification pop-up and went back on it without noticing. Therequiembellishere (talk) 09:05, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

ArbCom Elections 2016: Voting now open!

Hello, Politrukki. Voting in the 2016 Arbitration Committee elections is open from Monday, 00:00, 21 November through Sunday, 23:59, 4 December to all unblocked users who have registered an account before Wednesday, 00:00, 28 October 2016 and have made at least 150 mainspace edits before Sunday, 00:00, 1 November 2016.

The Arbitration Committee is the panel of editors responsible for conducting the Misplaced Pages arbitration process. It has the authority to impose binding solutions to disputes between editors, primarily for serious conduct disputes the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the authority to impose site bans, topic bans, editing restrictions, and other measures needed to maintain our editing environment. The arbitration policy describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail.

If you wish to participate in the 2016 election, please review the candidates' statements and submit your choices on the voting page. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 22:08, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

Thank you!

Thank you for your careful, incremental edits to the Bowling Green article. Your work improves the accuracy, while lessening the bias against sometimes unpopular viewpoints on Misplaced Pages. Keep up the good work!--FeralOink (talk) 00:35, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Re: Last Night in Sweden AFD

Thank you! I've done so.--MugaSofer (talk) 17:13, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

Mentioned you on Administrator noticeboard

Thread started on the RFC I added here: https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Question_on_Wikipedia:RFC_on_Russian_Interference_Opening_-_Conclusion_versus_accused

Thanks. I have replied there. Politrukki (talk) 23:04, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

Advice heeded

I saw the edits to Loretta Lynch wiki. All is okay. I expect collaboration with others to refine content. please see new content I added in United States presidential election, 2016 about . Paraphrasing the content of cited articles... Let us eat lettuce (talk) 21:16, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for taking this seriously. The content of your edits is being discussed on the article talk page, so I will just address some points that are more about presentation, related or unrelated to your question.

The Politico article you cited says

helping to force Manafort’s resignation and advancing the narrative that Trump’s campaign was deeply connected to Ukraine’s foe to the east, Russia

whereas you wrote

helping to force Manafort's resignation and by advancing the narrative that alleged Trump's campaign was deeply connected to Ukraine's foe to the east, Russia

I.e. you just added two words. That's called close paraphrasing, which may constitute plagiarism.

You should add footnotes at the end of each paragraph, not at the end of last paragraph. Of course, if it's a lengthy paragraph, it's best to add footnotes in the middle and the end. If you leave a paragraph without footnote, someone else will later think that the content is unsourced.

I would recommend you to not use article talk page for drafting the first draft. Please use your sandbox for that. It's okay to make corrections to your post as long as nobody has replied you, but if you make several changes, other editors may find that annoying. Politrukki (talk) 14:01, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

Oh, I see that your edits to the article were revision deleted, which means that there were other problems as well. Politrukki (talk) 14:05, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

altering other people's talk page comments

Please stop. It's not even close to being a BLP vio, it's just something you happen not to like. If you really think it's a BLP vio, feel free to take it to WP:AE or WP:BLPN, though I doubt you'll get what you want. Volunteer Marek  23:39, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

If you think that restoring unsourced material which says that a living person received bribes is a terribly good idea, you're bonkers. By the way, I did not make any legal threats. Politrukki (talk) 23:55, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

I have replied on my talk page. The source is the dossier itself. -- BullRangifer (talk) 06:12, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

Listen

You are behaving like an obsessive propagandist or worst. You and your false, outrages lies will not intimidate me, and you will hear from me soon. Archway (talk) 17:39, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

Okay! See you soon. Politrukki (talk) 17:44, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for your notice regarding the other user. If you look at my posting history, I have been active on the George HW Bush page anyway. I hope that's okay with you. Thanks again!Posters5 (talk) 20:34, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

@Posters5: no worries. I trust you. Just be careful if someone asks you to make en edit and they don't tell you why. Archwayh was just blocked for one month. Politrukki (talk) 21:06, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

ArbCom 2017 election voter message

Hello, Politrukki. Voting in the 2017 Arbitration Committee elections is now open until 23.59 on Sunday, 10 December. All users who registered an account before Saturday, 28 October 2017, made at least 150 mainspace edits before Wednesday, 1 November 2017 and are not currently blocked are eligible to vote. Users with alternate accounts may only vote once.

The Arbitration Committee is the panel of editors responsible for conducting the Misplaced Pages arbitration process. It has the authority to impose binding solutions to disputes between editors, primarily for serious conduct disputes the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the authority to impose site bans, topic bans, editing restrictions, and other measures needed to maintain our editing environment. The arbitration policy describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail.

If you wish to participate in the 2017 election, please review the candidates and submit your choices on the voting page. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 18:42, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

e-mail Donald Trump–Russia dossier

Hello Why have you sent me an email for revdel'd versions of this page? -- Dlohcierekim (talk) 11:22, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

Looks like primefac refdel'd for copyvio. Cheers, and happy editing. -- Dlohcierekim (talk) 11:26, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

@Dlohcierekim: No, that's not correct: revision deletion is still necessary. Primefac used revdel in December while in my email I provided a link to an edit that was made today. (Direct answer to your question why I emailed you: because you are listed in Category:Misplaced Pages administrators willing to handle RevisionDelete requests.) Politrukki (talk) 11:37, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

Good. What versions. would be quicker to ask me on my talk -- Dlohcierekim (talk) 15:21, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

I think I got them. -- Dlohcierekim (talk) 15:29, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks! I've used to use email to request revision deletion – and only repeat the request to a different admin on their talk page if the first admin doesn't act (or deny the request) within few hours – because all my revdel/oversight requests until now have involved BLP violations. The next time I need a revdel because of copyvios, I'll consider making the request through user talk page. Politrukki (talk) 17:37, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

Great happy 2 B helpful. -- Dlohcierekim (talk) 17:46, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

FYI

. My very best wishes (talk) 19:37, 12 January 2018 (UTC) Re to this. Any long-standing material on a page is considered to reflect consensus by default, see WP:Consensus. Usually, when you fix something, no one objects. However, if someone objects and revert your edit, you should follow WP:BRD. My very best wishes (talk) 20:13, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I thought you promised to stop following Volunteer Mark around? Anyway, I was just writing my reply at Talk:Peter Strzok promising to self-revert if VM can cite a talk page consensus for including the material. Meanwhile, you made this revert (19:21) and then at 19:35 you write "by the letter of the restriction Politrukki should be reported to WP:AE unless he/she self-revert". I will hold my promise to the self-revert when I get my time machine running, but unless you can cite a talk page consensus for making your revert, it was you who reinstated an edit without consensus. Politrukki (talk) 20:17, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

If contributor X "can cite a talk page consensus for including the material"? No, he should not. According to the policy, if you make a bold edit to change long-standing content (no matter insertion or deletion), this is your responsibility to obtain consensus for your edit. But whatever. If you do not understand, this is not my problem. My very best wishes (talk) 20:25, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

I understand your confusion, but by the time I reverted (R in BRD)

(a) there was no long-standing material: the material was inserted on December 23 (during holidays), and challenged January 9 (I'm not counting edits by IP editors), and

(b) there were opinions by three editors – Stwischu, FallingGravity (the editor who wrote the material), and TheTimesAreAChanging – that the Fox News material doesn't belong (only Martok opposed), and two editors (Anythingyouwant and I) who made policy-based objections about including a subset of the material.

By the time you reverted, there were only two editors (Snooganssnoogans and you) who had made policy-based objections about deleting the material. So, unless you want to report yourself and your mentor (who seems to be having second thoughts, judging by their 20:08 post) to AE, I suggest you drop this. We should stop wasting time on this nonsense (meta discussions) when nobody deserves to be sanctioned over this. Politrukki (talk) 21:44, 12 January 2018 (UTC)