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Gabor B. Racz Thought of complimenting you for this article. A good one mainly in terms of prose quality. Best --PeterCRames (talk) 19:20, 19 July 2014 (UTC) What a nice compliment. Thank you, PeterCRames.Atsme☯ 03:50, 20 July 2014 (UTC) A barnstar for you! The Resilient Barnstar OK, I hope you're happy with your work, I think it's fabulous! And I'm also glad that we could (resolve? set aside? put on hiatus?) our differences elsewhere and that it led to this accomplishment of yours. Cheers! — alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 19:11, 12 April 2014 (UTC) Thank you, Alf. It means a great deal more to me coming from you. I don't even consider our differences as anything to set aside, much less consider. I learned a great deal from the experience, and thank you kindly. Now then, is the article still supposed to be in my sandbox, or did I screw-up yet again? Atsme☯ 19:17, 12 April 2014 (UTC) No, it's normal that it's still in your sandbox. When you move a page out of userspace into mainspace that just happens. You can blank the sandbox version and it won't affect the real version, and then use your sandbox for other stuff. Would you be interested in trying to write a DYK (WP:DYK) from your new article? It'll get it on the main page for a few hours. That process can be a little overwhelming, I know, but if you'd like to try I can help you, or if you'd like it to happen but don't want to get involved, I can do it for you (which is normal, other people proposing DYKs for new articles).— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 19:23, 12 April 2014 (UTC) I'd love to do something new. If you have the patience to work with me, I'm game. Also, I noticed in the "view history" of my new article, it shows all the edits. Uh oh? Or is that normal? You might want to take a peek at it. Atsme☯ 19:26, 12 April 2014 (UTC) It's supposed to show the history, don't worry about that. I'll think about what might be a good hook, and maybe you can read over the instructions at the DYK page. I believe you have 5 days or 10 days or something from when it's moved into mainspace, so it's not a super hurry.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 19:28, 12 April 2014 (UTC) You can take the lead, and just coach me along so I can see first hand how it's done. Is that ok? Atsme☯ 19:33, 12 April 2014 (UTC) OK, will do later today or tomorrow and let you know what's going on.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 19:38, 12 April 2014 (UTC) I miss your insightfulness, your patience, and your genius, Alf.laylah.wa.laylah. I hope you are checking in from time to time, and will see my post. Please come back soon. Atsme☯ 20:49, 13 March 2015 (UTC) The above thread is referring to Gabor B. Racz which further substantiates how wrong it was for editors to initiate a WP:GAR within minutes following the wrongful accusations of a COI against me at COIN, particularly regarding this BLP. What ensued at the GAR discussions and on the article's TP should serve as a lesson to all of us regarding allegations of COI without justification, and the only reason I am now bringing it up. Atsme 17:19, 25 November 2015 (UTC) Your GA nomination of Alligator gar The article Alligator gar you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Alligator gar for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Cwmhiraeth -- Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:42, 11 July 2014 (UTC) For your information, your chain moray eel image is now in The Signpost. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:57, 15 July 2014 (UTC) Cwmhiraeth, thank you for the update, and congratulations on your accomplishments!! Atsme☯ 03:59, 16 July 2014 (UTC) I did the DYK nomination It's here: Template:Did you know nominations/Gabor B. Racz‎. You might want to put it on your watchlist because it's sometimes necessary to do a little editing before it's accepted, but in this case I think that'll be minimal. By the way, you should be quite proud of the minimal attention the article got from new page patrollers. You probably didn't realize it, but those two or three small edits people made right after you moved it were just the tip of the iceberg of probably around a hundred people looking it over to make sure it wasn't too crappy to survive, and then it got assessed with a C by the bio wikiproject. Very good!— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 22:10, 13 April 2014 (UTC) Makes me smile. Thank you. I'm reading up on QPQ, DYK, KMA, IDK, MMD, etc., etc., etc. I have a 6 ft. sheet of initialisms and acronyms that will probably take me 3 years to learn. Atsme☯ talk 22:23, 13 April 2014 (UTC) @Alf.laylah.wa.laylah: So what happens next? DYK for Gabor B. Racz On 25 April 2014, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Gabor B. Racz, which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Gabor Racz fled Budapest in 1956 after the Hungarian revolution and went on to hold a million-dollar endowed chair in anesthesiology at Texas Tech? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Gabor B. Racz. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page. slakr 23:08, 25 April 2014 (UTC) Congratulations! For this!— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 22:23, 24 April 2014 (UTC) Oh, WOW, Alf!!! WOW!! We did it!!! Thank you, thank you!!! Atsme☯ talk 23:46, 25 April 2014 (UTC) Did you look at the main page and see it on there? I took a screenshot for you in case you want a souvenir, which I can email to you if you'd like. Fabulous work, it flew right through the review. That's very rare on a first try. You should be proud. There are all kinds of little widgets you can put on your userpage to commemorate the occasion if you want to.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 00:20, 26 April 2014 (UTC) The article's main page, or one of the links on the banner? Not quite versed in navigating DYK. I would love a souvenir, Alf - thank you bunches, and thank you for the kind words, but I can't take full credit. I had one helluva teacher in you! Where do I get the widgets? Oh, and I added the DYK tool, I think. I need to read up on the DYK procedures, because right now it's all a bit confusing. Once that light goes on in my head, I'll be on the fast track. I also made my first template, and uploaded more pictures to Commons. That was fun, too. Just have to be careful I don't grow roots in this chair. I lose track of time, and before I realize it, 10 to 12 hrs have passed. Atsme☯ talk 02:46, 26 April 2014 (UTC) No, the actual front page of Misplaced Pages that the whole world sees when they land on it. It's still on there now, so you can see it live, but in case you don't get this in time I'll send you the screenshot anyway. It's amazing how time flies, isn't it?— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 02:58, 26 April 2014 (UTC) Oh, Wow!!! No, I didn't know!! Atsme☯ talk 03:01, 26 April 2014 (UTC) Yeah, that's the payoff for writing good new content. Amazing, isn't it? Do you know how to check page views in the article history? Wait till the date changes and you'll see your article got thousands of views today.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 03:05, 26 April 2014 (UTC) Sure is a good feeling, Alf. Amazing, and very rewarding. Page views? I don't know how to check page views. That is really awesome beyond words! Is there a link to the Widgets for my user page? --Atsme☯ talk 03:17, 26 April 2014 (UTC) I'm not sure if there's a general link. I use little teensy ones that I copied off someone else's page, you can see them on my user page. Also you can just look at other people's userpages who do DYKs and see what they do. That's probably the best way to find them, but also there might be a category or a list of them somewhere, I just don't know.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 03:24, 26 April 2014 (UTC) DYK for Alligator gar On 20 July 2014, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Alligator gar, which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that alligator gars (pictured) are "living fossils" that can breathe in both air and water? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Alligator gar. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page. Gatoclass (talk) 05:37, 20 July 2014 (UTC) A kitten for you! Great works!! You have improved a lot....Keep up.... The herald 15:33, 27 July 2014 (UTC) The Herald - how sweet - thank you!! And thank you for being so patient and giving of your time. I'm pretty excited about a couple new projects I'm working on offline, and also trying to improve a very inaccurate "start" article that relies heavily on self-published sources, and original research. Atsme☯ 16:13, 28 July 2014 (UTC) Your GA nomination of American paddlefish The article American paddlefish you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:American paddlefish for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of FunkMonk -- FunkMonk (talk) 00:42, 5 September 2014 (UTC) Your GA nomination of Bowfin The article Bowfin you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Bowfin for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Chiswick Chap -- Chiswick Chap (talk) 18:43, 29 September 2014 (UTC) DYK for American paddlefish On 7 October 2014, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article American paddlefish, which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that the elongated rostrum of the planktivorous American paddlefish (pictured) is used like an antenna to locate swarms of zooplankton? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/American paddlefish. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page. —HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 12:02, 7 October 2014 (UTC) Barnstar The Original Barnstar To Atsme, an overdue barnstar for the impressive articles she has written on "primitive" fish. Well done! --Epipelagic (talk) 19:38, 11 October 2014 (UTC) Thank you kindly, User:Epipelagic. Your recognition is much appreciated. Atsme☯ 22:31, 11 October 2014 (UTC) DYK for Bowfin On 19 October 2014, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Bowfin, which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that bowfins can survive up to five days' exposure to air because they can breathe both air and water? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Bowfin. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:43, 19 October 2014 (UTC) DYK for Synodus intermedius On 9 November 2014, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Synodus intermedius, which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that the eyes of the sand diver (pictured) have an iridescent surface layer? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Synodus intermedius. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 9 November 2014 (UTC) Your GA nomination of Gabor B. Racz The article Gabor B. Racz you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Gabor B. Racz for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Cwmhiraeth -- Cwmhiraeth (talk) 11:03, 1 December 2014 (UTC) Cwmhiraeth, thank you for your tireless efforts. Atsme☯ 22:06, 1 December 2014 (UTC) FA congratulations Just a quick note to congratulate you on the promotion of American paddlefish to FA status recently. If you would like to see this (or any other FA) appear as "Today's featured article" soon (either on a particular date or on any available date), please nominate it at the requests page. If you'd like to see an FA appear on a particular date in the next year or so, please add it to the "pending" list. In the absence of a request, the article may end up being picked at any time (although with about 1,287 articles waiting their turn at present, there's no telling how long – or short! – the wait might be). If you'd got any TFA-related questions or problems, please let me know. Bencherlite 10:46, 3 December 2014 (UTC) Thank you, Bencherlite. I believe in the DYK/GA/FA process, admire the reviewers for their diligence, and generosity of their time, and hope I will be able to help bring more quality articles to Misplaced Pages. Atsme☯ 12:25, 3 December 2014 (UTC) Today's Featured Article: Notification This is to inform you that American paddlefish, which you nominated at WP:FAC, will appear on the Misplaced Pages Main Page as Today's Featured Article on 24 December 2014. The proposed main page blurb is here; you may amend if necessary. Please check for dead links and other possible faults before the appearance date. Brianboulton (talk) 23:24, 4 December 2014 (UTC) Precious intrinsic beauty of sharing knowledge Thank you, free at last, for quality articles such as American paddlefish and Gabor B. Racz, written with the background of experience and in the spirit that there's "something indescribable, yet intrinsically beautiful about sharing knowledge", - you are an awesome Wikipedian! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:49, 24 December 2014 (UTC) One of the best Christmas gifts ever. Thank you Gerda Arendt. It is such an honor to receive this from you!! Atsme☯ 13:35, 24 December 2014 (UTC) A year ago, you were recipient no. 1072 of Precious, a prize of QAI! Thank you for great wishes, starting early, - I am still on my way and found in a 16th century text (and music) inspiration to go over the mountains, be inspired, support each other, and sing! All the good wishes are open now on my talk, to be shared, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:17, 24 December 2015 (UTC) Two years ago, you were recipient no. 1072 of Precious, a prize of QAI! My Christmas card will appear on my talk later today. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:57, 24 December 2016 (UTC) Awww...thank you, Gerda Arendt. Your "Precious" prize generates feelings of warmth, love and peace. You are a very special Wikipedian as its founder and distributor. 15:00, 24 December 2016 (UTC) Misplaced Pages:Featured picture candidates/Chain Moray An image created by you has been promoted to featured picture status Your image, File:Chain moray eel.jpg, was nominated on Misplaced Pages:Featured picture candidates, gained a consensus of support, and has been promoted. If you would like to nominate an image, please do so at Misplaced Pages:Featured picture candidates. Thank you for your contribution! Armbrust 03:32, 6 February 2015 (UTC) Congrats. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 03:00, 7 February 2015 (UTC) Thank you. Atsme☯ 08:36, 10 February 2015 (UTC) Barnstar Awarded! The Barnstar of Integrity In recognition of your COI Ducks essay, which I find to be of value in facing the fact that Misplaced Pages has a serious ongoing problem. It takes bravery and moral conviction to stand up against the forces of organized COI editing. Thanks for your work. Jusdafax 15:38, 7 April 2015 (UTC) By the way, I see you had the same type of visitor I had today. I've banned him from my talk page, just so you know you aren't the only one. Best wishes, Jusdafax 21:47, 7 April 2015 (UTC) Thank you for the lovely barnstar, Jusdafax. My TP will wear it with pride. Atsme☯ 04:08, 8 April 2015 (UTC) To Atsme Ice Cream Award Atsme, gotta love being propped up to do a favor for others, only to be thrown to the wolves with no one by your side, eh? Welcome to Misplaced Pages! I've been wracking my brain trying to figure out how to make it up to you, and then i remembered..... ice cream exists. Please have some. You deserve it. petrarchan47tc 23:10, 5 April 2015 (UTC) I'll definitely take it!! Thank you, Petra! Atsme☯ 01:16, 6 April 2015 (UTC) While you're enjoying your ice cream, you might feel to watch this. petrarchan47tc 23:25, 8 April 2015 (UTC) And this. petrarchan47tc 00:12, 9 April 2015 (UTC) Believe it or not, I just sat down with a bowl of ice cream (Chocolate Royale) and fired up the computer and read this, so yes, I thoroughly enjoyed all the treats, thank you! Atsme☯ 02:14, 9 April 2015 (UTC) A barnstar for you! The Copyeditor's Barnstar For your work in Nirmala. Looks like you are a bit busy with all. Good day.. -The Herald my strength 03:59, 8 April 2015 (UTC) This is lovely, TH. Thank you. It was a fun article to collaborate on with you. Atsme☯ 04:05, 8 April 2015 (UTC) God willin', you will have another collaboration soon. Its a mammoth one. -The Herald my strength 04:13, 8 April 2015 (UTC) Shall I hint you? It's the most beautiful building in the world. Check my contribs and help me. -The Herald my strength 07:31, 11 April 2015 (UTC) Some bubble tea for you! Drink it and tie your belt to review pending changes..:) -The Herald my strength 09:16, 13 April 2015 (UTC) Bubble tea!! Thank you!! Atsme☯ 17:37, 13 April 2015 (UTC) Essay The Barnstar of Diplomacy I really can't claim to be a fan of the essay, but I would like to say that I appreciate the edits made in response to my concerns. I also respect and appreciate that you were willing and able to hear my concerns in the midst of an emotional and confrontational discussion. Formerly 98 12:54, 14 April 2015 (UTC) Thank you, Formerly 98. I am flattered and honored by your gesture of kindness. I do hope we can work together in a productive collaboration in the near future. I really do like your style. Atsme☯ 00:23, 15 April 2015 (UTC) A kitten for you! Woke up just now to see Nirmala already a GA!!! Gratitude........ -The Herald my strength 02:03, 18 April 2015 (UTC) Almost, but not quite. I'll still gratefully accept the fuzzy little kitty. Atsme☯ 03:28, 18 April 2015 (UTC) A barnstar for you! The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar You deserve the barnstar and the credit. Forget not to add a userbox in Nirmala's name.... -The Herald my strength 11:33, 18 April 2015 (UTC) Dearest Mentor O Mine, I am honored. Thank you. Atsme☯ 15:49, 18 April 2015 (UTC) Great..can you do just another small favor? Check your mail...-The Herald my strength A barnstar for you! The Editor's Barnstar GREAT job! 7&6=thirteen (☎) 19:36, 3 January 2015 (UTC) Thank you, User:7&6=thirteen. Your collaboration was much appreciated. Atsme☯ 01:12, 4 January 2015 (UTC) A cupcake for you! Have a nice day Atsme Govindaharihari (talk) 13:50, 1 August 2015 (UTC) How sweet! Thank you, Govindaharihari. Your cupcake made it a nice day. Atsme 14:20, 1 August 2015 (UTC) A beer for you! (It was this or something called "bubble tea"- hope you like beer!) I see WP has regained a bit of its sanity. Welcome back xxxooo petrarchan47คุก 00:07, 14 August 2015 (UTC) Thanks for uploading the pictures A cute pinto foal for you! Thanks for uploading the photos, I added them to the articles (both the I Am Jose ones to his article, and one of him and the arena picture to the TWHNC article. Thanks again! 😊 White Arabian Filly (Neigh) 20:33, 17 November 2015 (UTC) You are very welcome! 😊Atsme 17:03, 18 November 2015 (UTC) By the way, you're invited to suggest material for my crazy edits page. 😀White Arabian Filly (Neigh) 21:38, 18 November 2015 (UTC) Some dim sum for you! Thanks for your contributions to Misplaced Pages. North America 09:54, 7 April 2016 (UTC) A barnstar for you! The Copyeditor's Barnstar For your tireless contributions in bringing Loham to GA status. :-) Charles Turing (talk) 11:35, 3 March 2016 (UTC) Thank you, Charles Turing. It was an interesting project to work on. Atsme 17:55, 3 March 2016 (UTC) A kitten for you! Meow! This cat swings all ways, vax and anti-vax, and will accept homeopathy, acupuncture, traditional Chinese medicine, and milk. And kitten hugs. Drmies (talk) 14:34, 15 March 2016 (UTC) Soft kitty, warm kitty, little ball of fur. Happy kitty, sleepy kitty, purr, purr, purr. *lol* Thanks, Drmies. If that cat ever authors a book about feline acupuncture, I'll do my best to include a section on the motivation and inspiration behind it. In kitty language, CAM/Alt Med can only mean one thing - creature comfort. Cats are pretty amazing creatures, as I'm sure you're well aware. Following is what homeo-pity meant to our 20+ yr. old barn cat who actually knew she was going to die. I say that with conviction because of the events that led up to it, beginning with her rare visit to the house. She stood at my front door meowing until I answered. I didn't know what was wrong with her - she looked fine for her age - so I picked her up, and sat on the porch swing with her in my lap. She responded well to a little love and attention; laid very still purring while I gently rubbed her head. After I went back into the house, she stayed there in the swing. I found her little lifeless body the next morning exactly where I left her. She came to tell me goodbye. Atsme 17:04, 15 March 2016 (UTC) A cup of coffee for you! Have a coffee and get ready.... -The Herald (Benison) • my strength 16:52, 23 March 2016 (UTC) Yay!! Thank you. Glad you're back, TH. Atsme 16:57, 23 March 2016 (UTC) Tipping The Involuntary Recumbency Barnstar For your contributions toward a greater understanding of human–bovine interactions. Thank you for the GA review of Cow tipping. Moo. Brianhe (talk) 14:03, 1 June 2016 (UTC) Well earned, although I personally have to admit that when I saw "involuntary recumbency" in the edit summary I was thinking that it was some sort of euphemism for being sick or in the hospital or something. John Carter (talk) 14:26, 1 June 2016 (UTC) Thank you Brianhe - it's not only a creative barnstar, it's one that is udderly appreciated. It really moooved me. Sooo...along the lines of what John Carter said, when I first saw "involuntary recumbency" I thought someone was going to force me to ride a recumbent. Q: What did the cow say to the cow-tipping rednecks? A: Don't mooove a muscle! 15:39, 1 June 2016 (UTC) So is that what "don't forget to tip your server" means? --Tryptofish (talk) 16:49, 1 June 2016 (UTC) When you need an engineer instead "Everything I Know About Engineering" Award The highest honor bestowed upon editors who ask scientists a question that only engineers can answer. Choo-choo on that for a while. 13:38, 8 June 2016 (UTC) Hello Hi Atsme, I saw your post on Anarchyte's talk page and just now discovered your amazing work on Misplaced Pages. Why have you not yet applied for the Rfa? Xender Lourdes (talk) 00:34, 12 June 2016 (UTC) Thank you for the kind words, Xender Lourdes. I actually self-reverted after I re-read A's user page and realized their userbox correctly displayed their time as an editor, which to me is pretty amazing considering all the accomplishments in such a short period of time. And thank you Xender for your contributions and the excellent work you've been doing. I actually have given some consideration to adminship but I'm not quite ready for it. I occasionally help at DRN when I can - not as much as I should - and from time to time I'll close at ANI, but at this point in time, I very much enjoy working with the Equine Project team, creating articles, reviewing GA/FA candidates, improving/expanding articles for GA/FA promotion as well as helping others prep theirs, and I also enjoy spending time on Commons, providing photographs that are needed for articles, and helping review FP candidates. It's "happy time" for me. Admins have a huge responsibility, and to do the job right requires a great deal of time, patience, and understanding. Perhaps after I achieve most of my goals as a content creator and GA/FA contributor, adminship may be something I'd consider. 04:26, 12 June 2016 (UTC) Understood :) It was good to have come across you. See you around. Xender Lourdes (talk) 10:16, 12 June 2016 (UTC) A barnstar for you! The Working Woman's Barnstar For your thankless efforts at the Faisalabad GA review, and, in general, for all your splendid contributions to Misplaced Pages. We are blessed to have someone like you here! Sainsf (talk · contribs) 07:45, 20 June 2016 (UTC) Thank you, Sainsf. What a wonderful surprise, and an honor. 10:47, 20 June 2016 (UTC) What goes around... ...comes around. With the "what" being the fact that I'm going to have that image on my talk page beyond the death of humanity itself, when only the barren expanses of the empty internet remain. But I'll let crazy pig man speak for himself. Colonel Wilhelm Klink (|Mistakes) 01:31, 30 August 2016 (UTC) Seriously though, I'm glad you enjoyed my depository of failed amateur comedy user page. Colonel Wilhelm Klink, I don't trust that the internet will be here in recognizable form in the future, so I printed & framed your crazy pig man and hung it on the wall. Our little pot bellied pig gazes upon it dreamily every day. 15:13, 31 August 2016 (UTC) I hope your pig gets many hours of enjoyment from it (because God knows nobody else will). Now the only thing left to do is invite Kramer over to your house. ("Jerry! It's the pig man!") :) Colonel Wilhelm Klink (|Mistakes) 18:11, 31 August 2016 (UTC) POTD notification Hi Betty, Just to let you know, the Featured Picture File:Chain moray eel.jpg is scheduled to be Picture of the Day on September 22, 2017. If you get a chance, you can check and improve the caption at Template:POTD/2017-09-22. Thank you for all of your contributions! — Chris Woodrich (talk) 07:12, 8 September 2017 (UTC) Thank you, Crisco! Great news...I'll check the caption. 11:30, 8 September 2017 (UTC) DYK for Chris Sherwin On 10 November 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Chris Sherwin, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that animal behavior scientist Chris Sherwin wrote that insects can experience "negative mental states"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Chris Sherwin. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Chris Sherwin), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:03, 10 November 2017 (UTC) A barnstar for you! The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar You went above and beyond helping a newcomer to Misplaced Pages. Magnolia677 (talk) 16:52, 28 April 2017 (UTC) Awwww...thank you, Magnolia677. 19:16, 28 April 2017 (UTC) Misplaced Pages:Featured picture candidates/Longnose batfish.jpg An image created by you has been promoted to featured picture status Your image, File:Longnose batfish.jpg, was nominated on Misplaced Pages:Featured picture candidates, gained a consensus of support, and has been promoted. If you would like to nominate an image, please do so at Misplaced Pages:Featured picture candidates. Thank you for your contribution! Armbrust 20:29, 21 June 2017 (UTC) Congrats! It's an excellent likeness of me! --Tryptofish (talk) 21:39, 21 June 2017 (UTC) I uploaded that image in your honor, Tryp!! 00:32, 22 June 2017 (UTC) If I say so myself, the red lipstick looks very fetching on me. --Tryptofish (talk) 00:36, 22 June 2017 (UTC) And it doesn't leave a trace. Kiss away!! 👄💋 01:04, 22 June 2017 (UTC) Nice to see it made it. • • • Peter (Southwood) : 18:24, 23 June 2017 (UTC) A barnstar for you! The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar for your engagement on the NPP and ACTRIAL issues whether or not your opinions concur with mine. At least you now have the eyes and ears of the WMF. Thank you :) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:58, 25 June 2017 (UTC) Thank you Kudpung, but it is you I applaud for your leadership and steadfastness in this worthy endeavor. I believe we are of the same opinion regarding the essential elements; however, as an ideaologist I'm not above throwing stuff against the wall to see what sticks, especially when there's a stalemate. It is long past due for the project to have safeguards in place to assure sustainability and integrity of the encyclopedia. 16:41, 25 June 2017 (UTC) Thank you for the kind words:) If you have not already done so, you might like to follow the other pages this issue spreadaccross, namely WP:KNPP & talk, WT:NPPAFC, andMisplaced Pages talk:New pages patrol/Analysis and proposal. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:39, 26 June 2017 (UTC) Misplaced Pages:Featured picture candidates/spotted trunkfish An image created by you has been promoted to featured picture status Your image, File:Spotted Trunkfish.jpg, was nominated on Misplaced Pages:Featured picture candidates, gained a consensus of support, and has been promoted. If you would like to nominate an image, please do so at Misplaced Pages:Featured picture candidates. Thank you for your contribution! Armbrust 13:05, 2 July 2017 (UTC) Congrats again, and having looked at the FPC page, I actually have a question that reflects my limited knowledge of photography: what does "high EV" mean? --Tryptofish (talk) 21:32, 2 July 2017 (UTC) Thank you, Tryptofish - EV = Encyclopedic Value...it's a requirement for WP:FP candidates, but not for Commons FP candidates. They judge differently. 21:37, 2 July 2017 (UTC) Oh, of course, and nothing to do with camera settings! If I weren't a fish already, I'd self-whale! --Tryptofish (talk) 21:41, 2 July 2017 (UTC) And Tryp, I had the perfect template made for that, too -  Self-whale... for when a trout just isn't enough, as you already know, but reminders don't hurt considering the antsy trigger fingers of template deletionists which make the saying "use it or lose it" encyclopedic. I was hoping that my template creator would add the words "...when a trout just isn't enough." to the self-whale template but I was happy and appreciative for the template he created. I will add that he did make the perfect template for Just curious... which included the emoji & dots... 22:35, 2 July 2017 (UTC) A barnstar for you! The Special Barnstar To Atsme, for your tireless and patient mentoring of me on the article Charmayne James in order to bring it to good article status. My first good article attempt. And also for your outstanding editing skills. There aren't enough words. Thank you! Awwww...how sweet of you Dawnleelynn. It truly was my pleasure. 22:49, 8 July 2017 (UTC) The Half Barnstar The Half Barnstar For cooperating so well with MrX on the article and talk page for Trump campaign–Russian meeting and for taking it with a good balance of grace and productivity, I award you the Right Half of the Barnstar! DARTHBOTTO talk•cont 20:53, 22 July 2017 (UTC) 😂 My first!! Priceless...thank you, DarthBotto. You get the other half + a whole one!! 21:11, 22 July 2017 (UTC) Blessings Cite error: There are <ref> tags on this page without content in them (see the help page).قبل أسبوع ويوم الحسين عليه السلام عليكم ورحمة اللة الرحمن الرحيم السلام عليكم ورحمة اللة الرحمن الرحيم السلام عليكم ورحمة 🤔😆😇😘😇🤗😍😎😋😋😋😊😊😊😊😚🤗😘😇🎩📿💎💄💄📿📿📿👑👚👟👙🎒🎒🛍🛍👝👝👜👜👜❣❣💟💞💥💣💝👏👣👃👂✍✍✍🖎💅👐👀💪👪💏💏👬👈👊✊🖐🤘🙇👥👥👤🗣🙏🙏129.45.69.222 (talk) 12:18, 14 November 2017 (UTC) (talk page stalker)Google translate gives "A week ago and the day of al - Hussein peace and mercy be upon you". Galobtter (talk) 12:34, 14 November 2017 (UTC) Galobtter Thank you for the translation. 20:39, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

Holidays and special occasions
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2015 Holiday Greetings +2016 New Year Greetings Happy Thanksgiving! A Thanksgiving turkey for you! Happy Thanksgiving! White Arabian Filly (Neigh) 16:22, 25 November 2015 (UTC) How sweet!! Thank you!! I intend to make it the happiest Thanksgiving ever!! I say that every year and because of my spotty memory, each one is the happiest!!! Atsme 16:43, 25 November 2015 (UTC) Hope it was happy, now that it's mostly over!😃 White Arabian Filly (Neigh) 02:53, 27 November 2015 (UTC) Happy Holidays! Ozzie10aaaa (talk) has given you a Christmas tree! Christmas trees promote WikiLove and are a great way to spread holiday cheer. Merry Christmas! Spread the WikiLove by adding {{subst:User:The Utahraptor/Christmas tree}} to any editor's talk page with a friendly message. --Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 15:16, 10 December 2015 (UTC) Merry Christmas and Happy New Year Santa Claus and horses Merry Christmas and happy new year!🎄🎁🎉 White Arabian Filly (Neigh) 23:01, 14 December 2015 (UTC) happy holidays to you as well Season's Greetings File:Xmas Ornament.jpg To You and Yours! FWiW Bzuk (talk) 11:00, 20 December 2015 (UTC) Thank you, Bzuk, and the same to you!! Atsme 19:28, 20 December 2015 (UTC) Season's Greetings! Hello Atsme: Enjoy the holiday season and upcoming winter solstice, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Misplaced Pages. Cheers, North America 18:47, 20 December 2015 (UTC) Use {{subst:Season's Greetings}} to send this message Beautiful!! Thank you, Northamerica1000 --Atsme 19:28, 20 December 2015 (UTC) Merry Christmas Merry Christmas!! Hello, I wish you and your family a Merry Christmas and a very Happy New Year, Thanks for all your help on the 'pedia!    –Davey2010 16:12, 21 December 2015 (UTC) Best wishes for the holidays... II you Season's Greetings Wishing you a Happy Holiday Season, and all best wishes for the New Year! Hafspajen (talk) 11:53, 23 December 2015 (UTC) Beautiful - thank you, Hafspajen. Greetings Wow - animated, too. Love it!! Thank you, Brandmeister. Merry Christmas Merry Christmas! I've been hearing from the elves that you've been a little worried about how Santa's list is looking for you. They say he's almost done with his second check, and so far it looks like you've hardly been naughty at all! Thanks for the work you do and the help and nice words that you have shared with me. You have brought joy into my work here. I wish you and your family a Merry Christmas and a very Happy New Year Gandydancer (talk) 17:52, 23 December 2015 (UTC) My thanks to you... ...for your card. I hope that you and yours have had, and will have, a good holiday, and a happy and productive New Year. BMK (talk) 20:38, 23 December 2015 (UTC) Wonderful holidays Merry Christmas and a happy New Year! --Tremonist (talk) 15:22, 23 December 2015 (UTC) Awwww...how sweet, Tremonist. Thank you!!! Atsme 15:35, 23 December 2015 (UTC) Merry Christmas Atsme! Popish Plot (talk) 20:34, 23 December 2015 (UTC) Back at ya, Popish - on your TP. Atsme 20:56, 23 December 2015 (UTC) Season's Greetings Wishing you a Charlie Brown Charlie Russell Christmas! 🎄 Best wishes for your Christmas Is all you get from me 'Cause I ain't no Santa Claus Don't own no Christmas tree. But if wishes was health and money I'd fill your buck-skin poke Your doctor would go hungry An' you never would be broke." —C.M. Russell, Christmas greeting 1914. Montanabw Thank you, Montanabw. I imagine it's snowing where you are right now, so snuggle up by the fireplace and stay warm. I hear a fire in the fireplace is ok on Christmas Eve because Santa has an alternate route. 🎁 Atsme 20:37, 24 December 2015 (UTC) Season's Greetings Season's Greetings A very happy holidays to you! --Godot13 (talk) 06:03, 25 December 2015 (UTC) Best wishes for 2016 . . . Atsme, may you continue to make Misplaced Pages a better place in the New Year. Cheers. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 04:42, 31 December 2015 (UTC) Auld Lang Syne brings back so many memories. 🎼 🎤 Thank you, Dirtlawyer1. I am ready for the countdown. 💃🍸🎉 Atsme 15:08, 31 December 2015 (UTC) Happy New Year, Atsme! Happy New Year! Atsme, Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Misplaced Pages. –Davey2010 10:35, 1 January 2016 (UTC) Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year fireworks}} to user talk pages. Thank you, Davey2010!! It was certainly happy last night!! Wishing you a happy and productive 2016!! Atsme 16:00, 1 January 2016 (UTC) You're welcome :), Haha same here!, By Monday It'll all be back to normal & everyone will be miserable again , Thanks and I wish you a very Happy New Year too :) .... again! . –Davey2010 22:10, 1 January 2016 (UTC) Yo Ho Ho ϢereSpielChequers is wishing you Seasons Greetings! Whether you celebrate your hemisphere's Solstice or Christmas, Diwali, Hogmanay, Hanukkah, Lenaia, Festivus or even the Saturnalia, this is a special time of year for almost everyone! Spread the holiday cheer by adding {{subst:User:WereSpielChequers/Dec15c}} to your friends' talk pages. 2016 year of the reader and peace 2016 peace bell Thank you for your wishes, returned with my review, and the peace bell by Yunshui! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:33, 31 December 2015 (UTC) So sweet! Thank you, Gerda Arendt. You are such a special Wikipedian. Atsme 15:09, 31 December 2015 (UTC) Thank you! - Click on bell for the sound ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:09, 2 January 2016 (UTC) Oh, wow! Beautiful sound. It resonates! Thanks, Gerda. Atsme 14:33, 2 January 2016 (UTC) 2016 Holiday & 2017 New Year Happy Easter! Happy Easter To celebrate Easter and the beginning of spring, here's a cute Easter bunny for you! White Arabian Filly Awww, how cute...thank you, White Arabian Filly and HAPPY EASTER to you, too!! Atsme 15:41, 26 March 2016 (UTC) Happy Easter! Happy Easter Happy Easter! And have a great day! Horsegeek 17:15, 27 March 2016 (UTC)Horsegeek Thank you, Horsegeek! I love bunnies that lay eggs!! Hope they're full of chocolate inside. 17:18, 27 March 2016 (UTC) Of course Atsme! 😋🍫 Horsegeek 17:21, 27 March 2016 (UTC)Horsegeek Happy Fourth of July! Happy Fourth of July! Here's hoping you have a great Fourth of July! White Arabian Filly I'm wearing ear plugs and body armor. Times have changed!! *lol* Thank you for the well-wishes, White Arabian Filly!! Happy 4th Happy 4th! Hope your 4th is red white and blue! (With other colors too) Horsegeek 22:11, 3 July 2016 (UTC)Horsegeek Thank you, Horsegeek - I'm enjoying the fireworks displays all around me while being thankful for the rains we just had, especially considering the expanse of my coastal hay fields - the same fields we haven't been able to cut because of all the rain. 02:50, 4 July 2016 (UTC) Halloween cheer! Happy Halloween! Hello Atsme: Thanks for all of your contributions to improve Misplaced Pages, and have a happy and enjoyable Halloween!     – North America 23:55, 31 October 2016 (UTC) Send Halloween cheer by adding {{subst:Happy Halloween}} to user talk pages with a friendly message. Thank you, Northamerica1000. I look forward to your cheers on holidays/occasions. They remind me what day it is!! 01:14, 1 November 2016 (UTC) Well, Halloween is already over on UTC time, but glad to provide the reminder! North America 01:42, 1 November 2016 (UTC) Halloween cheer! Happy Halloween! Hello Atsme: Thanks for all of your contributions to improve Misplaced Pages, and have a happy and enjoyable Halloween!     – –Davey2010 12:29, 1 November 2016 (UTC) Send Halloween cheer by adding {{subst:Happy Halloween}} to user talk pages with a friendly message. Sorry I was meant to have sent this last night, Late's better than never :P, Anyway a Happy Halloween :), –Davey2010 12:30, 1 November 2016 (UTC) I'm still wearing my Halloween costume so you're right - it's never too late!! Thank you for the cheers, Davey2010 17:58, 1 November 2016 (UTC) Happy Thanksgiving! Happy Thanksgiving! Wishing you a wonderful Thanksgiving with lots of good food and family! White Arabian Filly Ohhhh...how sweet!! Thank you, White Arabian Filly. I'm feeling a little homesick for our American traditions and above all missing my family, but it's hard to resist the beautiful sunrises and sunsets of this island. Wishing you & yours a very HAPPY THANKSGIVING!! 23:38, 23 November 2016 (UTC) Island? That sounds interesting and exotic. I'm jealous! --Tryptofish (talk) 00:44, 24 November 2016 (UTC) Tryptofish, spreek je Nederlands? Dat doen we op Bonaire alsmede Papiamentu, en een Spaanse, en Engels. Papiamentu? Formidable! --Tryptofish (talk) 22:42, 24 November 2016 (UTC) Tryptofish I think your English is great, and I'm impressed with your French. I'd be happy to give you a personal tour of the island as my honored guest if that will lift your spirits. As for Papiamentu, I can throw out a few sentences....Un buricu no ta un bestia bunita, ma tampoco un bestia mahos. And in closing, I can say without reservation, "Mi ta hari henter dia." 23:32, 24 November 2016 (UTC) LOL! Don't hear Dutch spoken very often. (That is Dutch, right?) Horsegeek 04:45, 24 November 2016 (UTC)Horsegeek Yes it is - the perfect Google translate Dutch. 13:31, 24 November 2016 (UTC) So I'm not the only Misplaced Pages editor who can't speak multiple languages?! 😊White Arabian Filly 15:45, 24 November 2016 (UTC) Totally not! I can speak Cantonese, and a bit of Vietnamese. Mostly on the understanding side though. So not perfect! Horsegeek 18:06, 24 November 2016 (UTC)Horsegeek Impressive!! 23:32, 24 November 2016 (UTC) Gobble Gobble "Gobble. The gobble is a loud, rapid gurgling sound made by male turkeys. The gobble is one of the principal vocalizations of the male wild turkey and is used primarily in the spring to let hens know he is in the area." Happy Thanksgiving! Let's just say you've been gobbled. Horsegeek 18:04, 24 November 2016 (UTC)Horsegeek Horsegeek, if I've been gobbled, it's probably because my wattle confused ole Tom. Hoping you had an amazing turkey day!! 😂 23:06, 24 November 2016 (UTC) I hope you had a good one too! Though honestly, I had more ham than turkey Horsegeek 04:02, 25 November 2016 (UTC)Horsegeek Happy Holiday! "And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord." Luke 2:10-11 (King James Version) Ozzie10aaaa (talk)is wishing you a Merry Christmas. This greeting (and season) promotes WikiLove. Spread the cheer by adding {{Subst:Xmas4}} to their talk page with a friendly message. Atsme, Happy Holiday/New Year!--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 11:42, 7 December 2016 (UTC) Hi, Ozzie10aaaa - thank you so much for the beautiful wishes! I will reciprocate in kind by wishing you and yours a joyous and merry Christmas and a Happy New Year as we near the close of 2016. I pray we'll be around to celebrate many more!! 16:57, 10 December 2016 (UTC) Merry Christmas! Merry Christmas Hoping you stay warm and have lots of good times and good food this holiday season! White Arabian Filly Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! Merry Christmas! Have a safe Christmas! Horsegeek 17:17, 16 December 2016 (UTC)Horsegeek Season's Greetings Hello Atsme: Enjoy the holiday season, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Misplaced Pages. Cheers, North America 15:30, 18 December 2016 (UTC) Spread the WikiLove; use {{subst:Season's Greetings1}} to send this message Thank you, Northamerica1000. Your greeting is as close as I'll be getting to snow this holiday season. It's a nice time of the year, at any rate. Hope you and yours have a happy 2017! North America 16:38, 18 December 2016 (UTC) Merry Christmas Merry Christmas Atsme!! Hi Atsme, I wish you and your family a very Merry Christmas and a very Happy New Year, Thanks for all your help on the 'pedia!    –Davey2010 01:41, 22 December 2016 (UTC) Holiday card Wishing you a Charlie Russell Christmas, Atsme! "Here's hoping that the worst end of your trail is behind you That Dad Time be your friend from here to the end And sickness nor sorrow don't find you." —C.M. Russell, Christmas greeting 1926. Montanabw 23 December 2016 (UTC) Thank you, Montanabw, I'm looking forward to seeing some really kewl racetrack pictures!! 23:34, 23 December 2016 (UTC) Muhammad Ali Hi Atsme, could I get some feedback or assistance from you on how to convert Muhammad Ali into a GA article? Please note that there are some regulars who have been contributing to this article, and if you decide to get involved personally, it might help if you comment on the talk page of this article. Thank you. Soham321 (talk) 00:06, 24 December 2016 (UTC) and a very merry christmas and happy new year to you. Soham321 (talk) 00:15, 24 December 2016 (UTC) Hi Soham321, I'm happy to help. Will give it a look tomorrow. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you, too!! May your holidays be filled with many blessings! 02:02, 24 December 2016 (UTC) Merry Christmas 2016 "And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord." Luke 2:10-11 (King James Version) Tito Dutta (talk) is wishing you a Merry Christmas. This greeting (and season) promotes WikiLove. Spread the cheer by adding {{Subst:Xmas4}} to their talk page with a friendly message. --Tito Dutta (talk) 15:51, 24 December 2016 (UTC) Happy Holidays Hello Atsme: Enjoy the holiday season, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Misplaced Pages. Cheers, Samsara 15:54, 24 December 2016 (UTC) Spread the WikiLove; use {{subst:Season's Greetings1}} to send this message I know this is terribly lazy, but there is so much else to do! A good one to you and yours! Samsara 15:54, 24 December 2016 (UTC) Yet another Merry Rexxmas --RexxS (talk) 16:12, 24 December 2016 (UTC) Oi!, Marine Boy, me ol' china ... Martinevans123 ... sends you ... ... warmest seasonal wishes for ... Nadolig Llawen a Blwyddyn Newydd Dda Hoping that Christmas may bless you with peace, love and understanding... and wishing that you may find your true star... !! Season's Greetings Hello Atsme: Enjoy the holiday season and winter solstice if it's occurring in your area of the world, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Misplaced Pages. Cheers, Doug Weller talk 16:56, 24 December 2016 (UTC) Spread the WikiLove; use {{subst:Season's Greetings}} to send this message Season's greetings Hi Atsme, many thanks for the card, and a very Merry Christmas to you too. Best, SarahSV 17:02, 24 December 2016 (UTC) Yo Ho Ho ϢereSpielChequers is wishing you Seasons Greetings! Whether you celebrate your hemisphere's Solstice or Christmas, Diwali, Hogmanay, Hanukkah, Lenaia, Festivus or even the Saturnalia, this is a special time of year for almost everyone! Spread the holiday cheer by adding {{subst:User:WereSpielChequers/Dec16a}} to your friends' talk pages. Merry, merry! From the icy Canajian north; to you and yours! FWiW Bzuk (talk) 19:51, 24 December 2016 (UTC) Seasons Greetings! Hello Atsme: Enjoy the holiday season, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Misplaced Pages. Cheers, -- Dane 08:27, 25 December 2016 (UTC) Spread the WikiLove; use {{subst:Season's Greetings1}} to send this message Holiday Greetings! Atsme Merry Christmas & Happy New Year! Thank you for helping make Misplaced Pages a better place. Blessings. May we all have peace in the coming year. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 15:08, 26 December 2016 (UTC) Belated Holiday Greetings Merry... uh, well, I guess Christmas! My apologies for not reaching you sooner; I've been on a three week break for some reason. Hence, let me belatedly thank you for your thoughts this holiday season; I am very grateful for the thought, and I sincerely appreciate the gesture. Allow me to wish you and your loved ones a happy (remainder of the) holiday season, and a prosperous year to come. :) Colonel Wilhelm Klink (|Mistakes) 21:49, 27 December 2016 (UTC) 2017 Holiday Greetings & 2018 New Year Happy happy! Beautiful picture, Northamerica1000. Thank you, and HAPPY NEW YEAR TO YOU!!! My kindest & warmest wishes to you & yours with hopes for a prosperous and peaceful new year. 14:16, 1 January 2017 (UTC) Happy New Year, Atsme! Happy New Year! Atsme, Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Misplaced Pages. –Davey2010 12:47, 1 January 2017 (UTC)    Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year fireworks}} to user talk pages. Thank you, Davey2010 - can you believe another year just passed us by? Wow...I hope we can celebrate many, many more!!! HAPPY NEW YEAR TO YOU!!! 🎉🎈🍾🍸 14:13, 1 January 2017 (UTC) You're welcome, I know eh 2016 had gone too quick but in the end It was a crap year so kinda glad it did fly by! :), Arr thanks and I too hope we celebrate many more!!!, I hope you and your family have a very Happy and Healthy New Year :), –Davey2010 16:03, 1 January 2017 (UTC) Happy New Year Happy New Year! Hello Atsme: Thanks for all of your contributions to Misplaced Pages, and have a great New Year! Cheers, CAPTAIN RAJU 21:38, 1 January 2017 (UTC) Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year snowman}} to people's talk pages with a friendly message. CAPTAIN RAJU - thank you!!! Happy New Year to you!! May all your wishes for 2017 come true!!! 00:42, 3 January 2017 (UTC) Happy Easter! Happy Easter To celebrate Easter and the beginning of spring, here's a cute Easter bunny for you! White Arabian Filly 20:57, 16 April 2017 (UTC) Thank you White Arabian Filly. I hope you had a Blessed holiday, too!! 02:53, 17 April 2017 (UTC) Halloween cheer! Happy Halloween! Hello Atsme: Thanks for all of your contributions to improve Misplaced Pages, and have a happy and enjoyable Halloween!     – North America 15:32, 25 October 2017 (UTC) Send Halloween cheer by adding {{subst:Happy Halloween}} to user talk pages with a friendly message. Thank you, Northamerica1000 - I'm looking forward to all the Skittles & Snickers bars the kids will be bringing home!! 00:41, 27 October 2017 (UTC) Halloween cheer! Happy Halloween! Hello Atsme: Thanks for all of your contributions to improve Misplaced Pages, and have a happy and enjoyable Halloween!    Template:Paced ndash Adityavagarwal (talk) 14:06, 5 November 2017 (UTC) Send Halloween cheer by adding {{subst:Happy Halloween}} to user talk pages with a friendly message. Thank you, Adityavagarwal - such sweet words. I'm still eating Halloween candy, so that's a one-day holiday that keeps on giving!! 15:00, 5 November 2017 (UTC) Enjoy the candy! :D It is awesome that despite the halloween being finished, your candies are not. I am taking a few candies from you, as it is not over yet, and i also love to eat them! :) Adityavagarwal (talk) 16:20, 5 November 2017 (UTC) Happy thanksgiving –Davey2010 has given you a Turkey! Turkeys promote WikiLove and hopefully this has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a turkey, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy Thanksgiving! Spread the goodness of turkey by adding {{Thanksgiving Turkey}} to their talk page with a friendly message. YUMMY!! I'm thinking Cajun this year. 🦃 21:02, 22 November 2017 (UTC) Happy Thanksgiving! Happy Thanksgiving! Wishing you a wonderful Thanksgiving with lots of good food and family! White Arabian Filly 22:42, 22 November 2017 (UTC) Thank you, WAF!!! Tomorrow is going to be a fun day for us!! Hope it is for you, too!! 22:48, 22 November 2017 (UTC) Happy Turkey Day Happy Thanksgiving! Hope you are having a wonderful Thanksgiving Holiday with your family and friends! dawnleelynn 20:54, 23 November 2017 (UTC) Great times! Thank you, Dawn!! 16:07, 24 November 2017 (UTC) Happy turkey day Yes indeed it is!! Thanks, NA1000!! Fun times! 16:08, 24 November 2017 (UTC) Holiday Cheer + a barnstar The Happy Holiday Barnstar How about combining a Barnstar with a Christmas Card? That is why this message is appearing on your talk page. Simultaneously and at the same time, this barnstar is conferred upon you because during this past year you worked and contributed your time to improve the encyclopedia. You also have received far too little recognition for your contributions. In addition, this is a small attempt at spreading holiday cheer. I've appreciated all the things that you have done for me. The Best of Regards, Barbara (WVS) ✐  ✉ 01:01, 17 December 2017 (UTC) Love this, Barb!! Thank you! 16:30, 23 December 2017 (UTC) Happy Saturnalia! Happy Saturnalia Wishing you and yours a Happy Holiday Season, from the horse and bishop person. May the year ahead be productive and troll-free and you not often get distracted by dice-playing. Ealdgyth - Talk 13:58, 17 December 2017 (UTC) Love the uniqueness of your holiday wishes! Thank you, Ealdgyth! 16:29, 23 December 2017 (UTC) Merry Christmas! Merry Christmas Hoping you stay warm and have lots of good times and good food this holiday season! White Arabian Filly 22:06, 17 December 2017 (UTC) Thank you, WAF!! We'll probably have the cold without the snow (as usual) but it promises to be another wonderful Christmas to remember! 16:27, 23 December 2017 (UTC) No fancy template... Atsme, but just but to wish you happy holidays and all the best for 2018. It's probably a lot warmer where I am than where you are 😎 Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:44, 21 December 2017 (UTC) Awwwe, Kudz - thank you! The well wishes themselves are what make the holidays happy, not the templates they come in. Add to that, the holiday music and watching Miracle on 34th Street, and I get so santa-mental. 04:48, 21 December 2017 (UTC) Season's greetings Hi Atsme, thank you for the lovely card. I would never have guessed that it was a Christmas tree worm! They're beautiful. Anyway, Merry Christmas to you and wishing you all the best for the New Year. SarahSV 22:17, 22 December 2017 (UTC) Thank you! Imagine...3 more sleeps, SV - and I've become duly dutifully santamental... 🤶🎁🎉🎊 🥂🍾 00:38, 23 December 2017 (UTC) Merry Christmas! Wish you a Merry Christmas and a prosperous New Year 2018! A very Happy, Glorious, Prosperous Christmas and New Year! God bless!  — Adityavagarwal (talk) 17:09, 22 December 2017 (UTC) Thank you, Adityavagarwal - I can almost hear the jingle bells on Santa's sleigh! The sound keeps getting closer! 16:24, 23 December 2017 (UTC) Ho ho! That is awesome. Adityavagarwal (talk) 08:51, 24 December 2017 (UTC) Merry Christmas! Merry Christmas Atsme!! Hi Atsme, I wish you and your family a very Merry Christmas and a very Happy New Year, Thanks for all your help and contributions on the 'pedia! ,    –Davey2010 13:21, 23 December 2017 (UTC) Looks like that picture will be as close as I'll be getting to snow this year! Thanks, Davey!! Buckle up for 2018!! 16:31, 23 December 2017 (UTC) Seasons' Greetings ...to you and yours, from the Great White North! FWiW Bzuk (talk) 16:45, 23 December 2017 (UTC) What a surprise!! So happy to meet your acquaintance Bzuk. There are several parallels in the adventures we've experienced in life. I reciprocated on your TP. 19:24, 23 December 2017 (UTC) Merry Christmas! ~~~ Merry Christmas! ~~~ Joyeux Noël! ~ Buon Natale! ~ Vrolijk Kerstfeest! ~ Frohe Weihnachten! ¡Feliz Navidad! ~ Feliz Natal! ~ Καλά Χριστούγεννα! ~ Hyvää Joulua! God Jul! ~ Glædelig Jul! ~ Linksmų Kalėdų! ~ Priecīgus Ziemassvētkus! Häid Jõule! ~ Wesołych Świąt! ~ Boldog Karácsonyt! ~ Veselé Vánoce! Veselé Vianoce! ~ Crăciun Fericit! ~ Sretan Božić! ~ С Рождеством! Hello, Atsme! Thank you for your work to maintain and improve Misplaced Pages! Wishing you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! CAPTAIN RAJU 20:46, 23 December 2017 (UTC) Spread the WikiLove and leave other users this message by adding {{subst:Multi-language Season's Greetings}} Thank you, CAPTAIN RAJU!!! You have been a staple in AfD listings and relists. Thank you again!! 21:03, 23 December 2017 (UTC) Merry Christmas! ~~~ Merry Christmas! ~~~ Joyeux Noël! ~ Buon Natale! ~ Vrolijk Kerstfeest! ~ Frohe Weihnachten! ¡Feliz Navidad! ~ Feliz Natal! ~ Καλά Χριστούγεννα! ~ Hyvää Joulua! God Jul! ~ Glædelig Jul! ~ Linksmų Kalėdų! ~ Priecīgus Ziemassvētkus! Häid Jõule! ~ Wesołych Świąt! ~ Boldog Karácsonyt! ~ Veselé Vánoce! Veselé Vianoce! ~ Crăciun Fericit! ~ Sretan Božić! ~ С Рождеством! Hello, Atsme! Thank you for your work to maintain and improve Misplaced Pages! Wishing you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! ―Buster7 ☎ 22:25, 23 December 2017 (UTC) Spread the WikiLove and leave other users this message by adding {{subst:Multi-language Season's Greetings}} Thank you, Buster7 - wishing you & your loved ones a Blessed and Merry Christmas, and may the New Year reward you with success, happiness and harmony. 05:25, 24 December 2017 (UTC) Merry Christmas and Happy New Year! Merry Christmas! Wishing you warmth and joy throughout this holiday season and a very Happy New Year! -dawnleelynn 22:29, 23 December 2017 (UTC) Thank you, Dawnleelynn!! Hoping 2018 will be a fun and productive New Year for us all!! 05:36, 24 December 2017 (UTC) HH! Happy Holidays! Happy New Year! Thinking of you and wishing you good health and happiness. --Rosiestep (talk) 23:23, 23 December 2017 (UTC) Awww, thank you Rosiestep!! Hope Santa brings you everything you wished for, and that the New Year rewards your efforts with much success and happiness!! 05:33, 24 December 2017 (UTC) Yet another Merry Rexxmas 2018 --RexxS (talk) 01:31, 24 December 2017 (UTC) LOL* Love it, RexxS - thank you! Wishing you & yours much happiness, and that 2018 will be a prosperous one!! 05:42, 24 December 2017 (UTC) Nadolig Llawen a Blwyddyn Newydd Dda Martinevans123 ... sends you ... ... warmest seasonal wishes for ...... Nadolig Llawen a Blwyddyn Newydd Dda. Hoping that Christmas may bless you with peace, love and understanding... and wishing that you have a good run in 2018!! Yo Ho Ho ϢereSpielChequers is wishing you Seasons Greetings! Whether you celebrate your hemisphere's Solstice or Christmas, Diwali, Hogmanay, Hanukkah, Lenaia, Festivus or even the Saturnalia, this is a special time of year for almost everyone! Spread the holiday cheer by adding {{subst:User:WereSpielChequers/Dec17a}}~~~~ to your friends' talk pages. ϢereSpielChequers 18:29, 24 December 2017 (UTC) HNY Happy New Year! Best wishes for 2018, —PaleoNeonate – 14:20, 29 December 2017 (UTC) 2018‼️ WooHoo‼️ 🎉🥂🍾 Thank you, PaleoNeonate! Wishing you a happy & prosperous New Year! 15:45, 29 December 2017 (UTC) Happy new year to you too Paleo. :) —usernamekiran(talk) 18:33, 29 December 2017 (UTC) Thank you, Kiran - have fun Sunday night at countdown and party like a rock star!!! 18:47, 29 December 2017 (UTC) oh hey Atsme! Didnt see you there. You too, have a great new year. Naa, nothing different for me at all, just another day like every other day. Well, except for the TV shows. They have many special programs on 31st. —usernamekiran(talk) 18:51, 29 December 2017 (UTC) Blwyddyn Newydd Dda Blwyddyn Newydd Dda! Atsme, Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable Calennig, and thanks for your contributions to Misplaced Pages. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:54, 31 December 2017 (UTC) Thank you, Martin!! And wherever you may be performing or traveling - BE SAFE!! Thank you for all you do and have done. May our 2018 be even more productive and inspiring than last year!! 00:09, 1 January 2018 (UTC) Happy New Year, Atsme! Happy New Year! Atsme, Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Misplaced Pages. –Davey2010 00:46, 1 January 2018 (UTC)    Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year fireworks}} to user talk pages. Thank you Davey2010, you never fail to make me smile!! Wishing you and yours a happy & prosperous NEW YEAR!!! 01:30, 1 January 2018 (UTC) Happy New Year! Atsme, Thanks for your contributions to Misplaced Pages, and a Happy New Year to you and yours! North America 13:15, 1 January 2018 (UTC) – Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year}} to user talk pages. Oh my! What a beautiful card, Na1000 - ❤❤❤ - Happy New Year to you!!! 14:34, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

Precious three years!

Precious

Three years!

Had to be OTD ;) - card improved but still needs more decoration, look at Puer natus est nobis --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:02, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

• Gerda Arendt, thank you sweetie pie. I love your "Precious" gems. Just one question - in 2014, you adorned my page with the 3 yr. precious gem. Has time stood still? *lol* 17:16, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

I am perhaps too brief: in 2014 I found you precious, still on this page, but collapsed, therefore I sent the reminder that it was three years ago. It's forever ;) - Did Texas see my green heart? (There will more tomorrow, but a start is made.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:22, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

Ohhhh...now I understand. Love it even more. 17:27, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

An incredible award from MONGO

The best from the best!! Couldn't have come at a better time, MONGO!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by atsme (talk • contribs) 13:00, February 26, 2018 (UTC)

Miriam Makeba

For your fish adoration, a song without words with thanks --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:39, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

Thank you, Gerda. I found the original African version of The Lion Sleeps Tonight sung by Miriam Makeba - her range gives me goosebumps. 00:59, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Beb

Hello Atsme. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Beb, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: The A11 content was a recent overturn of a redirect, so let's just return to a redirect. I'm going to point it to Babi (mythology) which seems to be the intent. Thank you. ~ Amory (u • t • c) 14:25, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

I do believe I owe you an apology

We have our disagreements, and I have complaints (some rather harsh) about some of the arguments you've used. But over the past few weeks, I've really come to understand how frustrating it is to be in your position and to have to contend with the level of bullshit that seems to have become the norm in those article the past few months. I should probably have cut you a bit more slack than I did. It's not fair to expect someone to deal with that level of tendentiousness all day and still expect them to give calm, reasoned and well-considered responses to everything.

My only reservation in extending this apology is that I would just ask that you try to bear in mind that -all political views aside- I really care more about getting our articles on point than in presenting an image of the subject that agrees with my own views. If you and I come to grips over something to do with Trump, please remember that I'm not unwilling to change my mind, I just need a good reason to do it. For my part, I will do my damndest to remember that I shouldn't expect an Intelligence Squared-level response from every harried editor in controversial subjects.

In truth, I feel partially responsible for the degeneration of Trump-related articles. There was a still-severe-if-less-so level of fighting going on in those articles a year ago, but then there came a string of AE and ANI cases in which tendentious editors on the pro-Trump side were brought to task for their behavior. In each case, I supported those sanctions, and while I don't regret that, I am looking back now and seeing that the presence of a sizeable pro-Trump 'bloc' as it were served as a damper on the level of tendentiousness engaged in by the anti-Trump set. With a handful of the most prolific right-wing editors now missing from that topic, the care and thoughtfulness of the left has degenerated to the point where I'm unwilling to even involve myself in those articles any more.

I've noticed that many of the more thoughtful editors in politics, like Masem, MelanieN, TFD and JFG all either stay away from Trump articles or only show up from time to time to weigh in before disappearing again. I can't say as I blame them, as I'm planning on unwatching all of the Trump-related pages and washing my hands of the matter. In five years, we will be able to revisit the subject when emotions are not quite so high, and perhaps fix things at that point. I would ask that you follow me in this, though of course that's not a condition to my apology above. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 00:32, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

I agree, and thank you kindly. 00:43, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

Both of you, I'm so happy to see this! --Tryptofish (talk) 16:58, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

Me, too!! Whistle Britches is my hero template maker!! 🤣 17:32, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

A typical week at NPOV/N

I've never seen so many different interpretations of NPOV policy than what I've seen this year, and we're only in the 3rd month. I've never before realized there were so many people who took a journalist's opinion at face value...(qualifier) as long it agrees with their POV. It's comically entertaining...🤡🎪🎢🎡🎠. Spectators sit quietly on the sidelines, and all one hears is the crunch of 🍿🍿🍿 as 👀 👀 👀 swipe swiftly back and forth reading the comments. One can almost hear the 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 by the supporters in each camp, along with the crackle of relentless 👉🏻👉👉🏼👉🏿 👈👈🏿👈🏽👈🏻, the strong smell of bull💩, and the slicing of air from multiple finger launches 🖕🏻🖕🖕🏽👆🏿. When all is said and done, everyone goes back to their corners 🥊🥊 and a new day begins . Rinse & repeat as soon as the sun rises. 01:59, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

Yeah I have been a sideline sitter on that whole mess. My goodness. PackMecEng (talk) 02:18, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

• The problem is bias; plain and simple. Everybody has theirs, and I can count the number of Wikipedians willing to edit against their own bias on one hand. With fingers to spare. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 13:19, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

I came to the conclusion a long time ago that most of the content noticeboards are for the most part a waste of time, with NPOVN being the worst. Editors post there hoping to get uninvolved guidance about what content does or does not comply with policy. What they get instead are endless arguments with no discernible resolution (unless the issue is overwhelmingly one-sided). If the problem is misbehavior by other editors at a page, it's better to go to a dispute resolution noticeboard if one wants an actual result. If the problem is purely one of differing opinions about content, an RfC is a better option. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:33, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

What they get instead are endless arguments with no discernible resolution (unless the issue is overwhelmingly one-sided). "unless" is a funny way of spelling "even if"...

I really did mean what I said above. Even otherwise very good editors all have POVs they just can't part with. Even editors whose POVs are "everyone/everything sucks/is awesome" will pick a stance on some disagreement and just stick to it, no matter what. It's actually a shame whenever a clear answer does come out of it, because clear answers just embolden everyone on the "right" side and fuel resentment in the few who are on the "wrong" side. This happens everywhere, but I'm fairly certain that NPOV/N is about the most pointless board, because it's destined to happen in almost every thread. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 22:58, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

"Even if...": you may well be right! I think you oversimplify when you say all editors. (Well, maybe all except me! ) I think I've made my personal POV about Trump very clear, but I have multiple times argued against proposals that would portray him negatively (although that's getting harder and harder, I'll admit). But I do agree with you that we all have POVs that we do not fully recognize in ourselves. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:15, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

An even better example: I am 100% four-square opposed to creationism, but if one looks at the history of the Creation Museum page, I've repeatedly defended it against other editors who wanted to portray it negatively. That's going about as much as possible in the opposite direction from what I would want to do if expressing my own opinion. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:19, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

There are some good editors, and most of them are liberal and skeptics (Sorry, Atsme!) or apolitical (in the sense of never editing politics) and skeptics. But even most of the skeptics are just as bad. I've been put on blast for saying that "practitioner of pseudoscience" is better than "brazen practitioner of obvious pseudoscience". And the thing is mostly that it varies: On one subject, an editor might be perfectly reasonable. But on another they're a hard-liner for the most popular view (at least the most popular view here). I'm an atheist and I've found myself defending a Christian POV more often than attacking it, unless you count my reverts of pro-Christian drive-by edits.

I have a rule of thumb: No-one who tells you they're neutral is. Any editor who claims to be bias free is mired in their own bias, and any editor who claims to have no opinion on a subject they regularly edit in has immutable opinions. Only about 25% of those few editors who will happily admit to having opinions but insist that they try to edit neutrally are actually any good at being objective.

It's really not much of a complaint, because it's basic human nature to be this way. But the number of truly objective people I know in real life led me to believe that WP would be full of them. Nope. Not even close. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 23:59, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

I agree with you about that. I think that Misplaced Pages, as a crowd-sourced project, is almost always at its worst when covering current events having to do with politics or opinions. What's the atomic weight of barium? We've got that. What year was the Magna Carta? We've got that. How should one describe Donald Trump? Better look somewhere else. --Tryptofish (talk) 16:28, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

I know, and we could fix it with policy changes, but there's no support for that because fixing it means editors don't get to push their POV onto those articles. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 16:34, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

Amen - enjoyed reading this discussion, and have come back to re-read it several times. 16:08, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

Balance and neutrality

A seesaw teaches weight and balance.

Scuba diving teaches neutral buoyancy; i.e., the balance that keeps you a safe distance from the top and bottom.

What does a merry-go-round teach? The more one spins, the more likely the chance of losing all sense of weight and balance.

Spinning = 0 balance + 0 weight. Perhaps there's a message in that equation. 01:40, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

Speaking of "spin"...not sure how I came across this Signpost article, but I believe it somehow began right after reviewing Thomas McGuane. I may have checked the editor who added the image/was making updates to that BLP. Long story short, the Signpost article made me think of EEng. 00:47, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Stephen Miller (political advisor)

The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Talk:Stephen Miller (political advisor). Legobot (talk) 04:23, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

my name

Hi.
I have been meaning to ask this question since a long time now, to many editors who have referred to me as Kiran. You are the one who did it recently, so here I go: Is it very obvious that Kiran is a person's name? I thought most of the people outside India wouldnt be aware of that. I also wanted to ask you, what do you use AWB for in relation with NPP/R? —usernamekiran(talk) 18:19, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) I don't know if this is what Atsme would reply, but I've always assumed that when your username essentially says "username: Kiran", it's reasonable for editors to refer to you as Kiran, much as they refer to me as Trypto or Tryp, and so forth. Obviously, that's not really my name, and Kiran might or might not be your real name, but it's reasonable to assume it as a sort of Wiki-nickname. Of course, you are always free to request that editors address you in some other way. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:33, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

What Tryp said about your user name, and I will be happy to call you whatever you prefer. Re:AWB...I haven't progressed much beyond what I explained before because I got sidetracked by the generate-diffs.js that I stumbled upon at User:GoldenRing#Scripts. I have been using that feature frequently. I process information slowly but once it takes hold, it takes on the characteristics of a zebra mussel colony. AWB appears to be a bit more complicated so until I've had a chance to actually apply it on a regular basis, I don't feel comfortable about commenting on it regarding its benefits for NPP. 23:12, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

hmmm. My real names is Kiran. I dont mind people calling me by it. I was just curious about how "western people" know about it. Tryptofish's comment makes sense. Maybe they dont know that its a valid/legit name, but simply assume i want to referred that way. Actually, Kiran (given name) is sort of well-known I guess. Regarding AWB, I somehow missed your last reply even though I had received a notification. Yes, it is complicated tool; but once one gets friendly with it, it is extremely useful. But cosmetic edits is something that is frowned upon I think. When I first tried to edit with AWB all I could think of was "eh...?" I was too lazy to go through manual, so i did almost no edits (even though i used to try) till I started to tag articles with WP:MAFIA's banner. While doing it, and while nagging Primefac a lot, I learned a few things about AWB. Still no manual reading. And as I kept on using it, I started to find many more functions good for my usecases. Regarding emoticons, I use only {{smiley}} because it is parsed properly on all devices, aming few other reasons. Please feel free to ask anything about AWB. I still know very little about it, but finding an answer for you will teach me something new for sure. —usernamekiran(talk) 00:47, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

I have good friends from India who taught me a little about the culture. Our families were very close, traveled together, and did all sorts of fun & crazy things. Rishi could have been a stand-up comedian but opted to be a jeweler instead. Fun times. Thank you for your offer to help with AWB. 04:20, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

@Usernamekiran: Bear in mind that the west has the name Kiran also, as a derivative from Ciarán, often spelt as Kieren or similar, it is very common throughout the UK, USA and diaspora. I know people called Kiran who have no idea that their name sounds/is the same as the name of Indian origin. Prince of Thieves (talk) 13:27, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

@Prince of Thieves: Hi. Actually Kieran is common in UK/surrounding area. It has origin in Gaeilge language (I am very good at that language btw ). Thats why I used to think they might not realise Kiran is a valid name as well. Not just origin, but their meaning is totally different too. Kieran is anglicised version of Ciarán, both of which mean "dark haired one"; masculine version of Ciara. Where as Kiran has origin in Sanskrit (another language that I am familiar with), word-to-word literal translation is "ray"; unlike the "ray of light" as stated in the article. —usernamekiran(talk) 13:47, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Yes good point that. I think most people would barely notice the spelling variation at first glance if they know a variation of the name, and it's worth noting even our article says of Ciarán It is anglicised in various ways: Ciaran, Kieran, Keiran, Keiron, Keiren, Kieren, Keeran, Kyran, Kiran, Kyron, etc. so I wouldn't worry too much about people not recognising it as a 'name' name. Though I don't know how common each of these variations is. Prince of Thieves (talk) 13:55, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Plea

Atsme, please consider taking a break from the politics articles. You're close to getting shown the door IMO and it really would be better if you voluntarily withdraw for a while and come back with a fresh outlook. SPECIFICO talk 03:07, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

In other words she disagrees with yours and similar opinions about how these articles are focused an has voiced concerns about bias an a the violations of undue weight and NPOV so she is not welcome since she has a different opinion.--MONGO 03:54, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Noop. SPECIFICO talk 03:56, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

No I completely agree with Mongo, the hostility on anything even remotely connected to the current USA administration is appalling. Prince of Thieves (talk) 04:03, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

I think what I and many other editors are patiently awaiting is "the awakening" that will occur in March-April, and will hopefully inspire a major clean-up. We're already seeing the beginning stages with the firing of Andrew McCabe on Friday. More corruption is coming to light as IG Horowitz uncovers rather damning evidence of bias and bad actors in the FBI, including concerns about the FISA court and the judge who recused himself after the Flynn case...the Strzock-Page fiasco...Bruce & Nellie Ohr's connection to Fusion GPS...the leaks by Comey...and so much more. Time will tell...and once again we will be reminded why editors should pay closer attention to RECENTISM and strict adherence to NPOV...a policy that is non-negotiable, and the principles upon which it is based cannot be superseded by other policies or guidelines, nor by editor consensus. 10:47, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Atsme, consider the nature of evidence. Even if all your conspiracy theories were true, western civilization has developed a remarkable legal system based on adversarial examination of evidence. Have a look. At this book. https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/fre . Whiny complaints stop at the courthouse door. Unless, of course, the investigation gets shut down before there's any finding of fact. Anyway, next time a conspiracy theory pops into your head, go back to the bible and think about how the facts are determined in the US. And remember, some Mexicans are good people, I assume. https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/fre . I'm done. Good luck.

SPECIFICO talk 15:40, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

I'm beginning to worry about you, SPECIFICO. Facts are not conspiracy theories - McCabe actually was fired. You're conflating facts with the left's conspiracy theories about Russian collusion, the laughable dossier with its unverifiable allegations...and on and on. I'm beginning to believe there really is such a thing as Trump derangement syndrome. When I log in to WP, I'm wearing flame-retardant underwear and bias repellent. I think it would do you a world of good if you'd try a bit of research diversification so you're not reading the same fake news over and over - maybe take some time off to clear your head...and lay off the Koolaid and laetrile that keeps you hopping - the toxic affects are irreversible. 16:09, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Out of curiosity, could you please explain to me your understanding of why Andrew McCabe was fired? MastCell  19:26, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Hi, MastCell - I've been outside enjoying 80 degree temps, and the smell of fresh cut grass. Let's see...McCabe...my understanding is that he was not "forthcoming" (which I think means he lied either by omission or fudging) during an internal investigation. If my memory serves, it was related to the way he handled the Clinton investigation and his responses to questioning. The FBI recommended firing, and passed the baton to Sessions. Knowing how cautious Sessions is about everything (mostly protecting his own reputation), the fact that he actually took action leads to all kinds of speculation, and plays right into the hands of RECENTISM; therefore, any material that is added should be limited to statements of fact with inline citations, and let things cure for a while. I'm sure MSM will have a field day with it and I hope editors will be patient and not start adding a bunch of POV accusations and speculation based on journalistic opinion and what they "think" happened. 21:03, 17 March 2018 (UTC) For your reading pleasure, if you haven't read it already. It kinda lays the foundation. 22:17, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

MSM, really? Facepalm. However, the DAB page MSM offers some entertaining alternatives. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:58, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Really! Listen in...an AP report just hit the "wires". 20:32, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

I understand, of course, that you are making a friendly joke, but the "mainstream media" thing really does bother me. I'm happy to agree that editorial or opinion pieces should not be cited as facts, even when in mainstream outlets, but mainstream news reports? Those are WP:RS, and we give the mainstream WP:DUE. The phrase "mainstream media" is often used by right-wing fringe sources to self-justify and to attempt to discredit factual information that they find inconvenient. I really do not like to see the phrase used pejoratively in content discussions here. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:42, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Tryp, I'm not referring to the reporting of factual news, like Florida_International_University_pedestrian_bridge_collapse...I'm referring to political pundits and POV journalists. Anonymous sources...unidentified informants...deep seated hatred for a political opponent...the self-serving political establishment fighting for its life...corruption, gossip, disinformation...shucks, our own policies warn us about issues with news sources. Grab a beverage, find a comfy chair, and read what some of the news sources have written about themselves...Politico, Patrick Maines, Tom Basile, Assange, Gallup, Matthew Ingram (almost a mirror image of what I've tried to relay about the baitclick challenges), The Guardian, Prof. Piers Robinson, BBC...and on and on. You can't make this stuff up. While I may indulge in on my TP, I have occasionally tried to explain some of the more important issues when the opportunity presents itself. Sensationalism is alive and well in MSM, as is propaganda and media bias and no, I'm not joking.

My former career as a CNN field producer affords me a tiny bit of inside perspective. In fact, my last job was field producer for CNN Headline News (Health & Environmental Unit) back when George D. Lundberg, former editor of AMA's flagship journal, was in the hot seat for publishing a politically charged article about whether or not oral sex was the same as "having" sex. Thank you, Bill Clinton. (I voted for him!) It was a real eye opener. I was old school journalism (integrity, neutrality, yada yada). I was thinking healthy sex while my producer was thinking politics. She had already shaped the story with her line of questioning and people we'd be interviewing - all 100% supportive of Clinton...Lundberg was just a prop. Thank goodness the AMA stood their ground, and didn't let the news or politics influence their decision. The integrity of the AMA was first and foremost - Lundberg was fired. Fun times, lemme tell ya. There were a few other times when I was exposed to high profile political situations, a few I was not expecting. It didn't take long for me to figure out what was going on, and I didn't like it, so I changed direction. In retrospect, I was on the cusp of a paradigm shift in news reporting. In fact 2 years earlier, I had written a craft improvement article for the June '97 issue of Outdoors Unlimited, the flagship magazine of the OWAA. The article was titled "A Tapeless Future" - (excerpt) As we approach a tapeless future, are we also approaching a paperless future? It is worth pondering. We already are seeing magazines and newspapers betroth the web, making increased usage of the Internet imminent as more computers are integrated into consumer households. (yada yada) Here we are today - the transition is almost complete - and my, oh my, how things have changed. Tryp, you can't blame either right or left-wing fringe...they are all after the same $$$...it's about survival in a highly competitive arena. I'm not saying they're all corrupt, but the majority are tinged, even if it's just a sensationalized headline, or a bit of fudging about the facts - all inject their own POV. They are more relaxed about making mistakes because it's easy to publish a retraction now that everything is digital. That's another reason WP editors should exercise good editorial judgment when dealing with politically charged news.

I commend all the authors of our WP:PAGs for having the foresight to have written NOTNEWS, NEWSORG and RECENTISM, to name a few. They still fit today. I think the biggest problem is misinterpretation of policy, and the occasional disregard for NOTNEWS and RECENTISM. Wasn't it EEng who tried to get something going on his TP along that same line? Well, we can only do what consensus says we can do, and try to avoid causing our admins unnecessary nail biting. In the interim, we wait patiently for all the breaking news, conspiracy theories and unfounded allegations to subside - hopefully before we need yottabytes of storage for just the Trump-related articles. We just need time for the historians and academics to author the RS we need to create and maintain quality encyclopedic material. I do wish WikiTribune would take-off so the bulk of the news articles will migrate over there, but I'm not too optimistic. We're probably going to be stuck with encyclopedic content like Donald_Trump_in_popular_culture#Hair, and List of things named after Donald Trump for a while. 02:54, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for that comprehensive reply, all of which I read with great interest. I've got no quarrel with anything you said there. I myself have occasionally referred to the "Higher Education Industry" in a sarcastic but I'm-entitled-because-I've-been-there sort of way – but nobody at Misplaced Pages is getting agitated about how we cover money and universities (at least not yet!). On the other hand, it's obvious that political recentism is a minefield here, and I want to advise you against careless use of phrases like "mainstream media", because other editors will construe that as POV pushing. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:06, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

...hoping I'll never be too crusty or crabby to learn. 20:17, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

Good! Soft-shell and soft-sell can never be a bad choice. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:19, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

Ha! Tempted to insert a seafood joke here... Prince of Thieves (talk) 20:29, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

Read the edit view banner, Prince of Thieves...while temptation knocks, opportunity more often rings the bell. 🛎 Ring away...anything is possible! 20:52, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

Maybe a Crabb massacre followed by a banquet attended by foreign dignitaries such as President for life Putin and President for life Xi, all food provided free by Homeless Joe? -- Prince of Thieves (talk) 21:10, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

Odd...but the image of the pie crust crab made me think of an article in Fortune for some bizarre reason I simply cannot explain. 21:26, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

Could be this or this. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:32, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

All bow down to the king of the pagan hermit crabs, lest you receive the wrath of the crab gods, or worse, the Attack of the Crab Monsters! -- Prince of Thieves (talk) 21:49, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

Good 'un! 22:04, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

BBC news (Not American, less likely to be biased perhaps)
FBI ex-deputy director Andrew McCabe sacked days before retirement
Former FBI deputy director Andrew McCabe has been sacked days before he could retire with pension rights. He was fired by US Attorney General Jeff Sessions, who said an internal review found he leaked information and misled investigators.

I think it is strongly implied that this was because he "leaked information and misled investigators", although this is something McCabe denies. Prince of Thieves (talk) 19:33, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, but I’d like to hear Atsme’s answer. MastCell  20:04, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Think that will just highlight natural differences in view points and will thus, be both non productive nor enlightening to understanding the current situation. --Aspro (talk) 22:24, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

MastCell I didn't record it so I hope you're ok with reading it instead of hearing it. ⬆

• Feel compelled to encourage people to take their focus off 'individual' movers-and-shakers and their hiring and firing. Take a step back and look at the bigger picture. You will then find you can see through the scales of misinformation which constantly pumped out to keep the Hoi polloi in the dark. Forget about the 'individual' named Andrew McCabe. If the post had been held by someone else he would have probably been fired as well. We are in the part of the Kondratiev wave were we have World political instability once more. This diagram shows how political instability and wars occur around the peaks and troughs . There are going to be more even more hiring and firing, as politicians strive face up to each other with more 'yes men' behind them. Some might think this is a load of piffle but I have history on my side right back to the ancient Egyptian empire - human nature hasn't changed. --Aspro (talk) 22:27, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Oh my, Aspro. I didn't realize you were that old... 22:31, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

My birth certificate is written in medieval Latin and my Social Security Number is written in Roman numerals. Also, my grandchildren are convinced I am an old fossil because I don't have a Facebook page. You can't get older than that ! ;¬ ) --Aspro (talk) 12:19, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

Aspro, you win that argument, but I'm close. The part I like most on the linked page begins..."When he realized that Atsme had been right..." 19:12, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

• It's certainly quite ironic, or maybe just a demonstration that neither of us is a POV-pusher, that we have each taken the positions that we have about the April 1 DYK. One might have expected the exact opposite! --Tryptofish (talk) 18:13, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

Agreed - there's obviously something wrong with us...is being a pragmatist the worst?...maybe we're humorists?...there has to be an "ist" that f-ists us. Lorty...what would the opposition do if they can't call us something? Think about it...we definitely need an "ist" that will fit into a user box. Let's see...

I have 2 doctorates:

Maybe MjolnirPants can help with an "ist" template...💭🗯...would you like to be known as a neutralist (even though nudist is more fun but not very practicalist)? How about "don't give a shitist"...nope, wrong caliber We don't dare say we're neutral because that's a sure giveaway that we're not. , 💭🗯...so how about...uhm...whatever works bestist...nope, terrible...definitely need your help...ooooh...does that make me a needyist, or a collaboratist or a definitivist? I would settle for ooohist, but wouldn't that make me a wouldist? Right now, I'm a confusist 21:05, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

I'm an editor-ist. But you can call me "hey you". --Tryptofish (talk) 22:28, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

Shouldn't that be Dr. Hey You? 04:51, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

Yes. --Tryptofish (talk) 17:20, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

Autopatrol Right granted - Thank you

Atsme. I recently came up to 25 articles created. I requested the autopatrol right this morning. Alex Shih approved it and said, "From a quick look, I think most of your creations are well written, and also receives attention from other experienced editors regularly (GA works like Charmayne James alone is suffi cient in my opinion)." So thank you big time for doing a majority of the leg work in Charmayne James with me! A big hug sent your way! dawnleelynn 18:32, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Awww...thank you, dawnleelyn!! You certainly deserve autopatrol. Good on ya!! 18:42, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Trump talk

You’re actually still calling attention to that juvenile poo-poo joke? That’s up to you; if it was me I would be hoping people would forget about it. OK, I see that Bish did reference BLP and she did remove it. However, I did not call it a BLP violation and I did not remove it. I said I had been kind of offended by it because I thought it was an ethnic slur, but I left it alone. I did caution you not to make fun of people’s names, that’s true. And yes, “blowhard” was making fun of someone’s name, although not in an ethnic way. IMO this was not out of line for a talk page and was in no way a BLP violation. On talk pages it’s not uncommon for people to describe subjects and sources in less-than-complimentary term. In fact, after you made a federal case out of it, the other editor doubled down and expanded on his criticism of the person. Anyhow, yes, I do think it is trivializing BLP to try to apply it to something like that. BLP is about serious accusations, things that can actually harm a person or their reputation. It’s not about passing low-grade insults. --MelanieN (talk) 19:19, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Unless it's me doing it. *sigh* Double standard - it's pretty obvious. Sweeping it under the rug won't change it...but I still luvs ya!! 20:04, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

One is making fun of a name in a juvenile way. The other is voicing an opinion about an individual using their name as a veh‎icle for the opinion, said opinion being relevant to the discussion at hand. They are anything but equivalent and your Unless it's me doing it. *sigh* Double standard - it's pretty obvious. is itself sigh-inducing. ―Mandruss ☎ 22:41, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Make like a tree and leave, Mandruss.

22:57, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

I thought it was make like a tree and get out of here? PackMecEng (talk) 13:19, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

19:29, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

Why pay for adult channels....

when you can watch Anderson Cooper interviews with Stormy Daniels for free? 02:09, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

Did she say how big his hands are? --Tryptofish (talk) 22:29, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

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I didn't watch the full interview, but I heard she gave him a big hand 👏👏👏👏. 00:10, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

Oh my, Tryp...someone just informed me that I misunderstood what I heard, and that a big dick with small hands was not meant to garner applause. 13:12, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

Or a hand job. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:36, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

Yes, Dr. Hey You. 22:57, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

In Ghostbusters, Bill Murray memorably said: "Back off, man. I'm a scientist." --Tryptofish (talk) 21:02, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

At 5:24 into the program Sturgeon: Ancient Survivors of the Deep, Bill Murray memorably said to a large group of international scientists/ichthyologists: "I know that some of you, in your fractured English, are saying 'What he doing here?'...I am saying what I doing here?" Remind me to tell you that story over a 🍺 or two at the next Wikimania we both happen to attend. 😂  21:49, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

you asked: why pay for adult film channels. (Which interestingly has the acronym AFC)... do you really want to miss out on the upcoming Trump Kim menagerie?! I’m pretty sure it’s going to be pay per view. Edaham (talk) 00:58, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

FYI if you think the Stormy Daniels jokes were funny but the Trump/Kim ones aren’t, it means you’re body shaming me. Edaham (talk) 00:59, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

probably they’ll have Stormy along for some Bi-partisan action!!! woaaaah! I did it! Edaham (talk) 01:02, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

Input sought

Hi Atsme. Regarding your comment at talk:Donald Trump, do you have any thoughts on a better title than List of senior Trump administration people who quit or were fired for that list article? You also commented that it would be BORING. Any thoughts on how to spice it up? Perhaps a screen cap of Trump doing his signature hand gesture when he says "you're fired"? - MrX 🖋 13:56, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

Clever photo idea, MrX...provided we have such a photo. From what I understand, his hands are so small, a macro lens is required which results in serious motion blur. As for title choices...first thing I did was look for similar articles (prior administrations) for consistency and to see if any included reasons for resigning/firing, but I couldn't find any. Then I went online to see how media labeled staff changes, and found Obama's WH "exodus". I also looked to see if there were any comparisons between administrations, and media didn't let me down: Politifact. During that same search, I came across this HuffPo article, which describes staff upheavals as normal. I consider the normal course of business BORING, but then I'm retired so certain words/phrases/terminology put me to sleep. Perhaps a better term would be not notable. It might be wise to avoid WP:RECENTISM, allow time for him to complete one term to learn the ropes well enough so he can pick his own staff instead of letting others do it for him (as what happened in the beginning), and then consider creating a list of administration staff changes for all administrations, if you think it's notable enough to get through an AfD. 16:16, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

You slay me Atsme. As it happens, there is already such an article: List of Donald Trump dismissals and resignations and also List of short-tenure Donald Trump political appointments, so I won't be pursuing the creation of yet another Trump article.- MrX 🖋 16:44, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

Well, zippity doo dah then and such great additions to this fine encyclopedia endeavor. I do have a suggestion for a category though Category:Wikipedians that suffer from Trump Derangement Syndrome. Even negative obsessions could be seen to be a form of flattery though...albeit, somewhat sick and deranged, but well, everyone needs a hobby. TDS...another one even better for while this person talks about TDS, he demonstrates he is fully a sufferer, so sad. Every week or two I check out the Youtube videos that show the media pundits before and as the election results unfolded. Its absolutely hilarious to watch them. To see the smugness and arrogance of them smashed is priceless. And all this time the CNN and MSNBC "news" people and other pretenders were pretending to be neutral...cat was out of dah bag that night huh? Neutrality...that was no longer evident when we get pouting faces. Its the pouting that was most evident...the evening started with glee and cheer and as the results came back in, those "neutral" faces on those "neutral" newscasters got longer and longer and more sullen and then, as it was evident Trump would win...shock! Their faces went to shock! Mouths agape...in some cases tears. Such neutrality! And then pouting! Pouting! Waaaaahhhh! Some looked like the devil bit them on the keister! OMG...how could this terrible event have happened!!! It is a nightmare!!! LOL!--MONGO 12:28, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

Oh look, someone transcluded Breitbart's comments section onto Atsme's talk page. Neat trick. - MrX 🖋 13:53, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

Seriously, there is quite an interesting dichotomy between partisan views of media's performance, and it is clearly weighted to be anti-Trump. There is little doubt the issues began with the transition from print to online baitclick media, and the mix of journalist opinion with news. The line between an op-ed and a news piece is blurry and forces one to at least look for the "opinion" designation, not that it really matters in today's online news. The public is also having to deal with misleading headlines like "Texas Democrats Surge to Polls, in Show of Anti-Trump Sentiment" - NYTimes! 😂 That's expected news knowing how media pushes an anti-Trump agenda. Factual news without the propaganda would read more like, Texas Democrats Surge to Polls Only To Be Defeated By Republican Turn-Out, and then the article would weigh toward why the Republican vote won. Instead, they published a misleading, sensationalized headline weighted to the left, and added a short paragraph about the win: Yet even as Democrats in the state’s biggest cities came out in large numbers, Republicans still cast more ballots over all thanks to their rural strength. Once all the hype dies down, WP's Trump-related articles will balance out. Right now, they give weight to the misleading sensationalist aspect of the article - basically the "fringe view" - while labeling the actual facts as fringe because of the way media weighs it. While it's expected of media, it's not ok for an encyclopedia that is supposed to publish a NPOV and get the article right using sound editorial judgement...and therein the problem lies. I came across an interesting article - highly recommended reading because if we delve into the results of TBs & blocks over the past year, we'll probably find a high number of center-right leaning editors on the list - probably all behaviorial issues but a review would be interesting. I've long since learned that Trump supporters are not the poor, ignorant voters some on the left tend to believe, and their growing distrust in media is real and justified in many instances. WP's political articles cite those same questionable, left-leaning sources - the balance is off the charts - so a legitimate question is what will eventually happen to the confidence level of our readers? I recently commented on a Sign-Post article the other day about a questionable article published by SPLC with input from some of our own editors. Surprisingly 😂 the article lump sums right-wing with racist, etc. I was hoping to see more diversity and common sense responses to my comment but that hasn't happened so far. 16:14, 4 April 2018 (UTC)  

Yeah the current state of the news media in the US is a disaster for a variety of reasons reflective of American society. It's what we have though, and once you strip away the hyperbole, clickbait, and punditry, you're still left with facts. The facts are intrinsically anti-Trump because of who Trump is. He lies almost constantly. He's a demagogue of the highest order who manipulates his base with romantic images of white, post-war, isolationist, blue-collar prosperity. He's astonishingly incompetent in his current role. He has few, if any, leadership qualities. He has badly damaged foreign relations, environmental protections, and consumer protections. He will probably bring the economy to its knees. His suits don't fit, he's cheated on his wives, and he has terrible taste in decor. But yeah, it's the liberal media's fault.- MrX 🖋 17:07, 4 April 2018 (UTC)