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Capital of Israel Correction

Dear Editors, Why is[REDACTED] showing the incorrect capital of Israel, if according to UN resolution A/ES-10/L22, declares that the Jerusalem is NOT to be considered the capital of Israel by 128 Nations worldwide as a decision? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Biomax20 (talk • contribs) 21:32, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

@Biomax20: there's been much discussion of this, search "Jerusalem" in the archive box above. To summarize the existing consensus, Jerusalem is Israel's capital, as Israel declares it to be so, just like any other nation state sets their capital. Israel's seat of government is in Jerusalem. However, the lack of international recognition is notable, hence the subtext. The subtext recently was changed from "internationally unrecognized" in recognition of the changing status on the international stage - and the USA is the world's biggest economy and power. No alternative exists - Tel Aviv? An empty box where "capital" should be? ∰Bellezzasolo✡ Discuss 21:42, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

The article says that Israel considers its capital to be Jerusalem and that some countries don't like that. What exactly is incorrect here ? 21:45, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

@Bellezzasolo The issue is that Google also states that the Capital of Israel is Jerusalem, which is incorrect as it is not recognized by a more than median decision. For the sake of clarity, neutrality, and fairness in facts, the UN, being a authority representing the worldwide consensus and its respective nations do not recognize Israel as the capital, This means that this article should correctly state the capital as contested, or rightfully back to what it previously stated, Tel Aviv. General logic governs that if one body declares something to be true, despite overwhelming criticism contesting and opposing its declaration by a large number of bodies, then that declaration is void.~~

Why do you believe that UN represents the worldwide consensus ? If anything it represents the result of interaction of political powers and their interests. See definition of Capital City: "A capital city (or simply capital) is the municipality exercising primary status in a country, state, province, or other administrative region, usually as its seat of government". Jerusalem fits this description to the letter. Where does it say anything about international recognition being a prerequisite ? Jerusalem is the capital of Israel because Israel says so. The fact that many countries do not accept it is notable, and it is indeed noted. “WarKosign” 10:39, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

@Biomax20: I view the UN as a partisan, political body. The UN obsesses over criticising Israel - it can because in the cold war, it ended up with largely the Arab/Soviet block criticising Israel, and ~57 Arab states vs 1 Jewish... then the USSR, Poland,Cuba,... all of which represented the opinion of about 100 people. Compare that the democratically elected US government. Foreign policy from the era has largely continued. ∰Bellezzasolo✡ Discuss 15:53, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Biomax, you're 100% right in that is incorrect to state Jerusalem is Israel's capital, since that's in fact a fringe view among the international community. Other fringe views, for example, hold absolutely horrible opinions of certain ethnic groups, but we would never seek to present them as fact in Misplaced Pages's neutral voice. However, the content of the project is effectively a compromise among editors who have chosen to participate in compiling it, and for now what we have is what we have. Consensus may change going forward. Cheers, --Dailycare (talk) 12:09, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

With all due respect, Dailycare, Jerusalem is Israel's capital. That's about as debatable as whether the earth is flat or the laws of gravity can be repealed. The issue is that the overwhelming majority of the world does not recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital. — Malik Shabazz /_Stalk 01:14, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

I think Capital city#Disputed capitals has a pretty good summary of the situation. — Malik Shabazz /_Stalk 01:18, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

Indeed, the fact that Israel declared Jerusalem as its capital and operates its seat of government from Jerusalem should not be in dispute. Many countries object to Israel's sovereignty over Jerusalem (with some differences between East and West Jerusalem) - which we duly note in the article.Icewhiz (talk) 06:50, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

It's really nothing like the laws of gravity. The issue is whether half the people who read this article will decide that it is unreliable because of the identifiable and prominent POV. Even if we mean well and add a note, the damage is done - thus I dont think it's in the interests of the project to make these decisions based on POV. But I expect this appeal to reason is likely to go unheeded.Seraphim System 08:43, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

Could you explain what "damage is done" by stating the obvious? While you're at it, could you explain how identifying Israel's capital is "identifiable and prominent POV", but failing to identify it isn't? Thank you. — MShabazz /_Stalk 12:42, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

With all due respect, Malik, Jerusalem is not Israel's capital. However, the point is not that we discuss the situation and agree among ourselves, but rather we merely need to state what the balance of the best sources say in the matter. This is what the Security Council stated: "all legislative and administrative measures and actions taken by Israel, the occupying Power, which have altered or purport to alter the character and status of the Holy City of Jerusalem, and in particular the recent "basic law" on Jerusalem, are null and void". If you steal a car, it doesn't become your car even if you insist until you're blue in the face and your best friend agrees with you. Cheers, --Dailycare (talk) 06:58, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

With all due respect to you or the UN security council, Israel alone determines its capital. Incomplete international recognition has nothing to do with a city being a capital. Look up definitions of capital city. “WarKosign” 08:04, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

Actually, Jerusalem is Israel's capital. Israel controls the territory, all branches of its government have their permanent offices there and nowhere else, and they all regularly meet there and nowhere else—there's a word for a city like that, isn't there? Oh yes, it's a capital city. You may not like it, your government may not recognize it, the United Nations can denounce it, but that doesn't change reality. Whether Israel is in lawful possession of the territory, whether the United States is in lawful possession of Washington, D.C., or whether they were stolen from their previous inhabitants, doesn't change the fact that they're the capitals. — Malik Shabazz /_Stalk 23:43, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

Here, I can't help but agree with User:Malik Shabazz. Since when does "International Law" determine the capital cities of the nations of our world? Members of the international body of nations often disagree with the "International legislative body," since often their decisions are based on personal bias, as in the case of their condemnation of China's sovereignty over non man-made islands claimed by China in the South China Sea, and specifically, here, in Israel's case where she seeks to uphold Israel's territorial integrity, a country that had not been divided prior to 1948.Davidbena (talk) 00:57, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

-Dear sirs, this newly established 'fact' based off of 1 nations decision over countless that do not recognize this decision (Israel's capital) as being unrecognized by a overwhelming majority, is a disservice to Truth and everything[REDACTED] and history tellers have stood for (Actual facts). Simply because the US decides to move its embassy within Jerusalem and 'declare' it as Israel's capital, does not make it so, if the entire world disagrees with the view. The recent geopolitics portrayed by Israel and USA convey blatant hooligan politics by deciding whats what whenever they so seem to desire. This is wrong. Especially since for decades the area has been contested.Biomax20 (talk) 06:09, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

Jerusalem is the capital of Israel because Israel says so. It is partially recognized because part of the countries recognize it. Simple as that. “WarKosign” 07:45, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

Well, in fact it is not as simple as that. It would be more neutral to state that since France (a more significant and neutral country) doesn't consider Jerusalem the capital, it isn't the capital. Anyway, capital-ness cannot be measured with an instrument, wherefore it is necessarily a question of claims and their recognition. --Dailycare (talk) 15:34, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

France has no say in this. France (or any other country) decides whether or not it recognizes Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and of course this partial recognition is notable, but it does not change the fact that the capital of a country is determined by the country itself alone. “WarKosign” 17:49, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

When Israel claimed Jerusalem as its capital, the UN Security Council declared that an illegal and ineffective declaration. It therefore is the case that at least the UN Security Council disagrees with your idea that "the capital of a country is determined by the country itself alone". Cheers, --Dailycare (talk) 07:44, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

UN GA resolution declared that US recognition of Jerusalem is capital is "null and void", and yet nobody in their right mind would say that US didn't recognize Jerusalem. UN resolutions are notable by themselves but do not change the facts. “WarKosign” 08:03, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

You're trying to move the goalposts. You wrote earlier that "the capital of a country is determined by the country itself alone". I noted that the UN Security Council disagrees with this notion, so your view doesn't seem to be current in international law. Of course, endorsing your view would mean that Jerusalem is factually the capital of Palestine, too. --Dailycare (talk) 06:46, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

Russia recognises West Jerusalem as Israel's capital

It has been reported on April 2017 that Russia recognises West Jerusalem as Israel's capital, and now was reported again. Sokuya (talk) 18:28, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

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There is a mistake. Jerusalem is not the capital of Israel. Israel's official capital is Tel Aviv. Please, this is a really sensitive issue and Misplaced Pages cannot take sides by supporting Jerusalem as the country's capital. 194.224.168.12 (talk) 16:41, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: See the many links at Talk:Jerusalem/capital, as well as the section above at #Capital of Israel Correction from just 41 days ago. ~ Amory (u • t • c) 20:06, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

Capital

The Word "Limited recognition" doesn't describe the truth about Jerusalem! 151 countries in U.N rejected Jerusalem as the Capital of Israel! Maybe "Denied by majority of the nations " describes it perfectly! As far as I know Misplaced Pages should be more descriptive & neutral!

Again according to Misplaced Pages page

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/Status_of_Jerusalem. 

"" Trump's decision to recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital was rejected by the majority of world leaders. The United Nations Security Council held an emergency meeting on 7 December where 14 out of 15 members condemned Trump's decision. The Security Council said the decision to recognize Jerusalem was in violation of U.N. resolutions and international law. ""

So according to UN it is a violation of UN Resolution and International law!

You just can't declare Jerusalem as the capital of Israel with this much controversy on this topic! It's just complete favoritism towards Israel! Bashing Sanchez (talk) 21:05, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

Please read previous discussions on the subject, most recent them just one section above this. “WarKosign” 21:14, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

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Capital is Tel Aviv not Jerusalem. Only the US claims the capital as Jerusalem. 85.115.52.201 (talk) 10:40, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

Not done. Please find a reliable source that says that Tel Aviv is the capital. “WarKosign” 10:58, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

"Disputed" for Jerusalem as capital

The phrasing for Jerusalem as capital as "not recognized" was changed to "disputed". This is wrong, or at least a typical example of "false balance". Just because the US moved the embassy to Jerusalem does not suddenly change the way the rest of the world views the matter. Certainly there is no consensus for such a contentious change of phrasing. Get consensus first, instead of edit-warring.Kingsindian ♝ ♚ 22:59, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

There's been quite significant discussion on this page regarding this very issue (or something closely resembling it). I've restored the stable version, which says partial recognition. You also don't seem to fully grasp the nature of the recent dispute, which is sovereignty over Jerusalem, rather than Jerusalem's status as capital. The argument made by Dailycare in instigating the change in the first place was based on that fact. ∰Bellezzasolo✡ Discuss 00:19, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

I'm afraid the current version is even more wrong. The sovereignty over Jerusalem is recognized by precisely zero countries. Even the US, when moving the embassy, was careful to maintain that We are not taking a position of any final status issues, including the specific boundaries of the Israeli sovereignty in Jerusalem, or the resolution of contested borders.. Kingsindian ♝ ♚ 10:10, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

The US did not take a position either way on the borders within Jerusalem (e.g. East/West Jerusalem), yet recognized Israeli sovereignty over at least part of Jerusalem.Icewhiz (talk) 10:48, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

So you're saying that "partially recognized" means "some part of Jerusalem is recognized by a small part of the countries of the world"? If that's not misleading, I don't know what is. "Not recognized" is the correct description. Nuances can be left to the body of the article. Kingsindian ♝ ♚ 12:32, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

My parsing of the US position is that they recognize West Jerusalem (as does Russia incidentally), while leaving the US position on East Jerusalem (in whole or in part) unspecified. So no - this is not a small part.Icewhiz (talk) 12:35, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Read more carefully: "small part" modifies the proportion of countries of the world, not the amount of territory in Jerusalem. Your have also read the Russian statement wrongly, and your parsing would anyway be WP:OR. Russia (like everyone else in the world), supports a settlement where there would be Palestinian state with East Jerusalem as its capital. It is "in this context", where they say that West Jerusalem would be part of Israel. Since there is no Palestinian state with East Jerusalem as its capital, the whole context is inapplicable.

There have been entire treatises written on the status of Jerusalem for many decades. It's not ok to quote misleading and ephemeral press reports to overturn decades of international law or state practice. For instance, here's a BBC report from after that period: Israeli sovereignty over Jerusalem has never been recognised internationally, and all countries currently maintain their embassies in Tel Aviv. So which is it? Kingsindian ♝ ♚ 13:03, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Read the Russian stmt again (or take a peek - here - "a year after declaring that west Jerusalem is Israel's capital") - Unlike EU countries (which conditionally recognize East/West Jerusalem as part of PA/IL in a future settlement, maintaining the territory is currently still Corpus Separatum), Russia (which, IIRC, has been out of the Corpus Separatum camp for a while) - recognized west Jerusalem as Israel capital currently (2017 and onward). Concurrently, they called for a future Palestinian East Jerusalem - but their recognition of west Jerusalem was not conditional on such a final settlement.Icewhiz (talk) 13:10, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Perhaps you can tell me what "in this context" means then? That's just for decoration? Why did Russia vote for the UNSC resolution after the embassy move along with everyone else?

This is all a diversion. Even if one counts Russia as according "kinda-sorta partial recognition of Israeli sovereignty in Jerusalem", it is still false balance at best to say that Israeli sovereignty over Jerusalem is "partially recognized". Israel claims full sovereignty over Jerusalem. Precisely zero countries agree with this position. And even those who accord some "kinda-sorta partial recognition" are a small part of the world. That's the basic point. Kingsindian ♝ ♚ 14:12, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Which fits directly into partial or limited recognition - as opposed to unrecognized. Maybe very partial and very limited - but still such. Russia and the US are major international players (and then there are minor players such as Guatemala, Panama, and Paraguay).Icewhiz (talk) 14:44, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Bellezzasolo, FWIW, I believe "not recognized" is the stable version since several years ago. Concerning the "Russian statement", the link does not link to it but to Jerusalem Post's interpretation of it. JPost is not reliable concerning this kind of interpretation. Furthermore, the JPost article does not even once mention sovereignty over Jerusalem, wherefore it is irrelevant to this discussion. Also the actual Russian statement, IIRC, does not refer to sovereignty, but states that in the context of an eventual peace settlement, Russia can recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital. --Dailycare (talk) 04:11, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

@Dailycare: while that is the case, the limited recognition wording lasted about 10 days - frankly, an age on this article. "Not recognized internationally" seems to violate NPOV given the changing scene on the world stage. Yes, the movement has been limited, but so far, the United States, Guatemala, Taiwan, Vanuatu, and Russia all recognize at least West Jerusalem (with the Russia Day parade taking place in Jerusalem for the first time this year). Furthermore, other countries like the Czech Republic and Romania seem to be having internal debate about this issue. I'd say that warrants limited/partial recognition, but probably the best word is disputed, as it doesn't carry connotations like limited does. ∰Bellezzasolo✡ Discuss 10:36, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Here "the Russian leadership decided to recognize West Jerusalem as the capital of Israel", without any "this context". It's not a matter of opinion or interpretation, it's a simple fact. “WarKosign” 06:00, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

I would like to remind people that this issue was already addressed in a RfC where the conclusion was to use "limited recognition". OtterAM (talk) 01:32, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

Bellezzasolo, do you have sources to the effect that even one country recognizes West Jerusalem as Israeli territory? Please note, once more, that this is not the same thing as recognizing the city as Israel's capital, as the United States explicitly points out. --Dailycare (talk) 06:49, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

Official languages and Democratic status

Arabic has been stripped of 'official language' status and should be removed from the article and the infobox? https://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-politics-law/israel-adopts-divisive-jewish-nation-state-law-idUSKBN1K901V Luftfall (talk) 02:14, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

I think we also need to remove references to Israel being a democracy. — Malik Shabazz /_Stalk 03:41, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Denoting an official language or stating a country is a nation state does not change the democratic status of a country. As for Arabic - its status was ambiguous previously. The new law clealrly states Hebrew is the official language, however it accords Arabic a special status (and rather ambigously states that the law does not affect the previous status of Arabic in law).Icewhiz (talk) 03:46, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Bullshit. Declaring that (according to Reuters) "only Jews have the right of self-determination in the country" means that Israel is no longer a democracy. — Malik Shabazz /_Stalk 03:51, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Per Reuters - "national self determination" - which does not modify an individual right.Icewhiz (talk) 04:01, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Agree with Malik Shabazz here. Could it be that he has finally redeemed himself? “Four legs good, two legs better!" Veritycheck✔️ (talk) 14:59, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

From Reuters source above: "Israel passed a law on Thursday to declare that only Jews have the right of self-determination in the country", how is this a democracy? --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 04:15, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

If you actually read past the first sentence - it is It stipulates that “Israel is the historic homeland of the Jewish people and they have an exclusive right to national self-determination in it”. (which is a bit of a mash of the final bill - however we'll pardon Reuters due to all the last minute changes). The right is conferred as a national right to the Jewish people - not to individual Jews (clause 1C in the bill).Icewhiz (talk) 06:16, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Arabic still need to be mention in the Infobox cause it have a 'special status' and its differ from other spoken languages such Russian, Amharic, Yiddish etc. "The Arabic language has a special status in the state; Regulating the use of Arabic in state institutions or by them will be set in law; This clause does not harm the status given to the Arabic language before this law came into effect. " It should be mention in Other languages with a footnote explaining the status of the language. Sokuya (talk) 10:33, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

The Arabic name of the state should be still feature in the article even though it not longer official language. See examples Algeria, Brunei, Cambodia, Somaliland, Tunisia, Mauritania, Nigeria. Sokuya (talk) 11:36, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

I argee with Malik Shabazz and Veritycheck✔️ and that a country where only the Jewish people "have an exclusive right to national self-determination" and all non-Jewish citizens have NO right to national self-determination is NOT a democracy. All the false references to Israel being a democracy need to be removed. Gouncbeatduke (talk) 16:14, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Personal opinions are all very nice, but aside from the regular chorus of anti-Zionist BDS supporters (whose opinion of Israel is entirely unchanged by the law) - consensus in RSes differs.Icewhiz (talk) 16:38, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

The RSes are clear that Israel's democratic status is in question following this new law this July. See http://time.com/5345963/israel-nation-state-law-democracy/ and https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/22/world/middleeast/israel-jewish-state-nationality-law.html . Also, I am not an anti-Zionist or a supporter of BDS, just a supporter of a factual definition of democracy in Misplaced Pages. Gouncbeatduke (talk) 17:22, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

op-eds that do not say that (they do say shift from or prioritizing natiinao over democratic democratic values - but not not).Icewhiz (talk) 18:54, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Speaking of reliable sources and their view on the claim to being a democracy: , . There certainly seems to at the very least be a dispute as to whether or not Israel is still a "democracy". If I recall what NPOV says, there was something about not making statements of fact in Misplaced Pages's voice when there are significant POVs disputing that view. nableezy - 17:24, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

True. We should, at the very least, state that Isreal's democratic status is in dispute. Those words have now twice been removed from the article. Those removals are not NPOV editing. Gouncbeatduke (talk) 17:31, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Well mine was. I was removing an extreme claim based on poor sourcing. Check out Misplaced Pages:EXTRAORDINARY. If a shedload of R/S sources, preferably taking the longer view, become available in the future, we can revisit this. And the wording would have to be exquisitely crafted. And please WP:AGF by the way. I am an established user known by many, regardless of their POV to be an open minded (as far as is humanly possible here) colleague, who weighs issues on a case-by case basis. Thank you. Irondome (talk) 17:51, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

An op-ed by a fellow with an a-priori dim view of Israel, and CNN who is referring to critics but does not say so in its own voice.Icewhiz (talk) 18:54, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

The "fellow" is M. A. Muqtedar Khan (a RS for the record) and why would CNN need to say it in their own voice? The CNN cite shows that the claim is disputed, as does the piece by Khan. Once more, here is what WP:NPOV says

Avoid stating seriously contested assertions as facts. If different reliable sources make conflicting assertions about a matter, treat these assertions as opinions rather than facts, and do not present them as direct statements.

The fact that serious sources such as Khan say that Israel is no longer a democracy and that CNN is noting that claim to being a democracy is now in dispute renders the view that Israel is a democracy a contested view.

And finally, can somebody explain to me why the defenders of Israel on Misplaced Pages feel so compelled to not only ensure articles contain a decidedly Zionist slant but in addition they must remove any tag that calls into question an ongoing dispute? Tags about a dispute directing readers to the talk page should not be removed until the discussion is resolved. Yall are really testing the limits of WP:TE. nableezy - 21:09, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

When Democracy Index will change Israel status from Flawed democracies into Hybrid regimes then you could change this in the article. (as happened to Turkey) Until then you are arguing for nothing. Calm down everyone. Sokuya (talk) 15:06, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

Firstly, Democracy Index is not the sole source of what constitutes a democracy; it is but one. Secondly, telling people to ‘calm down’ when they have a differing opinion than yours is impractical, if not rude. WP:Politeness Veritycheck✔️ (talk) 16:29, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

Im sorry, but appeal to authority doesnt a valid argument make. WP:NPOV is clear on this point, when reliable sources contradict each other then Misplaced Pages describes the conflict. There are reliable sources that, as a result of this law, contest that Israel is a democracy now. nableezy - 17:59, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

No contradiction. Or anything new - this law has been expected to pass for the past couple of years. We do not have RSes stating anything. We do have longstanding anti-Israel critics who penned a few op-eds coinciding with the passage of the bill, and some RSes mentioning said critics.Icewhiz (talk) 20:34, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

As stated on Template:POV statement#Usage: "This template should only be applied to articles that are reasonably believed to misrepresent the views of high-quality reliable sources in the subject. The personal beliefs of Misplaced Pages's editors are irrelevant." Also, the article Basic Law: Israel as the Nation-State of the Jewish People#Reaction alredy address those claims and dispute in the reaction section and this is where it belongs for the moment. Avoid weasel terms. Sokuya (talk) 00:31, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

Your argument is self-contradicting. The template should be applied to articles that are “reasonably believed to misrepresent the views of high-quality reliable sources “. Than you are referring to the article Basic Law: Israel as the Nation-State of the Jewish People where views of high-quality sources such as the Anti-Defamation League are expressed argueing that the law violates a key element of democracy – equality. יורם שורק (talk) 07:08, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

No self-contradicting, that's people reaction to the Basic law. Notice what they said: "Anti-Defamation League (ADL), said, 'While there are provisions that we agree with — notably with regard to state symbols like the anthem, flag and capital Jerusalem; as well as in reaffirming that the State of Israel is open to Jewish immigration — we are troubled by the fact that the law, which celebrates the fundamental Jewish nature of the state, raises significant questions about the government’s long-term commitment to its pluralistic identity and democratic nature'." Did they said Israeli democracy dead? No. There is none RS that said that Israel democracy ended. Just people opninon as reaction to the law, that's why it belongs to that section. When groups of scholars will publish studies about how this law changed Israel democracy and explain how the implications of the come to effect, then we will have those RS. For now we only have opinions or reaction on the law. This is way too soon to change the definition of Israel democracy on main article. Sokuya (talk) 09:35, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

What a load of self-serving baloney. There is never anything but "people opinion" about whether a country is or isn't a democracy -- there's no objective measure of what a democracy is, and no voice from the heavens will proclaim which countries are and which are not democracies. Was the United States a democracy when only white men who owned property were allowed to vote? What about apartheid South Africa? Both had "democratic elections", but it would be a stretch to describe as democracies countries in which the majority of the population could not vote. Israel has democratic institutions, but it has declared that one-fifth of its citizens will always be second-class citizens -- and a topic ban prohibits me from mentioning the elephant in the room. So long as expert "people opinion" questions whether Israel is a democracy, Misplaced Pages should not state that it is one. — MShabazz /_Stalk 15:56, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

Newcomer to this dispute. Read the Reuters article. My assessment is that this law does not actually change any of the rights that non-Jews currently have in Israel. "National self determination" essentially refers to the right of a people (a national ethnic group) to have their own state; it does not have anything to do with personal rights or liberties. This really just restates, perhaps in stronger language, the status quo—that Israel is a Jewish nation state, not an Arab state or a multi-ethnic state. As the article explains, "Largely symbolic, the law was enacted just after the 70th anniversary of the birth of the state of Israel. It stipulates 'Israel is the historical homeland of the Jewish people and they have an exclusive right to national self-determination in it'." Ltwin (talk) 14:09, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

This can't be stated in Wikivoice anymore in the lede. It should have probably been removed some time ago but this is formal recognition and there are much stronger sources now supporting the removal including Reuters and the NY Times Seraphim System 14:48, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

Neither of those articles state that Arab citizens have lost any rights as a result of this law. At most, they've stated the fear and concern by some that this largely symbolic law could lead to future discrimination against Arab Israelis. Ltwin (talk) 15:10, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

History in the lead

Is there any reason why the Mandate period is not explained in the lead? It jumps from the Ottoman period, mentions the words "British Palestine", and then goes immediately into independence. Onceinawhile (talk) 07:57, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

What the hell is a "second language"?

Rafe87 (talk) 18:23, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

FAQ

I have added FAQ for this page, maybe some editors want to fix some wording. Hddty. (talk) 22:03, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

• Tel Aviv was never recognized by majority of the United Nations members as the capital of Israel because it was never recognized as capital by the Israelis. Sokuya (talk) 07:22, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

No mention of sand?

Israel is renowned for having the distinction of having the softest sand in the World. Something to do with salt maybe? I can't find a link, but heard it somewhere. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:FEA8:131F:EC8A:F099:120E:117A:3929 (talk) 01:15, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

Statements need to be supported by reliable sources on Misplaced Pages. See WP:RS Luftfall (talk) 03:52, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

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