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September 5

Typhoon Jebi (2018)

• Nominated by Sherenk1 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Meow (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Worst storm to hit Japan in 25 years. Sherenk1 (talk) 05:04, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

• Support - article could be expanded but what is there is well referenced and sufficient to post. Mjroots (talk) 05:25, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

September 4

(Closed) Danish FA

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

• Nominated by Stormy clouds (talk · give credit)

• Question the article is huge, can you link to the relevant section to make it easier to readers to find? --LaserLegs (talk) 20:36, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

@LaserLegs: - sorry. I wrote this section today, which incorporates the nominated material. The blurb also concerns the squad, which is here. - Stormy clouds (talk) 20:42, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Thank you. --LaserLegs (talk) 23:33, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Weak Oppose Using Googles "region and language setting" feature, I did see this story in ZA and IE region, but not near the top (no mention in the US). The article itself is iffy, with several paragraphs missing refs, and I don't think the update itself covers the background in the players dispute to be comprehensive. That said, the story is interesting (I had no idea futsal was a thing) and a major FIFA national team having to cobble this squad together at the last minute for their first matches of a new tournament is unusual. I think this is DYK material, which IIRC has amended it's criteria to include "recently updated" articles. DYK is apparently a bog though. Thanks for the good faith nom, even if it never makes the main page, I learned something today (which is one reason I stalk ITN/C). --LaserLegs (talk) 23:33, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

• Strongest oppose Internal Danish footie matter of far less importance than many of the items that don't receive consensus to post here. DYK is the place this belongs. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:51, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

@Muboshgu: - is it eligible for DYK? The article is not new, having begun in 2004. Stormy clouds (talk) 21:04, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

• Comment it's receiving wide coverage, certainly across Europe, and potentially strongly impacts on a UEFA tournament, not really an "internal" matter. But I don't think it rises to the level of encyclopedic value I'd imagine to see in a synopsis of the year's news events. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:04, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose – Almost any squabble involving Fussball draws wide coverage in Europe, but this is certainly not significant in the global scheme of things. (Neither was Özil). – Sca (talk) 21:31, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose - way overblown. It's just a dispute with players. Posting this would be akin to posting a strike by (less than) 100 workers. Banedon (talk) 23:13, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
  • We posted an NBA or NHL strike a few years back --LaserLegs (talk) 23:16, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

2018 Kolkata bridge collapse

• Nominated by QEDK (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: I'm actively working on it as more of the situation develops. There had been another of these few years back and this seems to be one of a pattern of collapses in the city. QEDK (後 ☕ 桜) 20:05, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

• Comment a little context --LaserLegs (talk) 20:16, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose - with only one death, and this not being a unique occurrence in the city, I don't see much lasting impact, unfortunately. Stormy clouds (talk) 20:28, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose – Ditto. Snow close? Sca (talk) 21:33, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Marijan Beneš

• Nominated by Dumelow (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Serbian boxer, article in reasonable shape. Some bare urls in the refs, I will look to sort them out - Dumelow (talk) 15:55, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

• All fine here, ready to post when I see some more support. --Tone 16:09, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support Article quality is sufficient. --Jayron32 16:42, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose. The text is reasonably well-referenced. However, the boxing record section is unreferenced. There is a link to the home page of a boxing records website but not to a page containing his record and it would be unsuitable to have a link to the main page given its state of referencing. Capitalistroadster (talk) 19:36, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Had a second look, the link was apparently broken. It works now. --Tone 19:44, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support - article is good to go. BabbaQ (talk) 21:34, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
• Marked ready. –Ammarpad (talk) 23:16, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 02:30, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

Pakistani Presidential elections

• Nominated by Amirk94391 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Shah9425 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Change of Head of State is ITNR. Moreover the aritcle also looks good. Amir (talk) 12:49, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose The President of Pakistan is a ceremonial de jure figurehead who represents the "unity of the Republic." We passed on Khan being made PM because the election results were posted instead (and Khan mentioned then). We seem utterly unwilling to correct this obvious defect in the wording at ITN/R, but I see no reason to post the election of a "ceremonial figurehead" when the national election was just featured. $0.02. --LaserLegs (talk) 13:42, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose We've covered the PM who appears to be the key figure of power in the country, and while the President here is a technical head of state, its not really of any power compared to other heads of state. --Masem (t) 13:48, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
• I've repeatedly made the same argument, but I'm shocked to see these two respectable editors oppose an ITNR on notability grounds at ITNC. What gives? ghost 16:11, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
  • As I don't think the Pakistani President is what we'd consider "head of state" under ITNR, since most of that power is in the hands of the PM and the presidency is mostly ceremonial. (Eg if Pakistan hypothetically decides to go to war, it will be Khan leading that decision, not Alvi) INTR does allow these positions to be considered on a case-by-case basis but I argue that we've just covered the PM election effectively, so there's no need to cover this one. --Masem (t) 16:17, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
• Well, President of Germany is also elected by the parliament and it's the chancellor that has the most power but we posted the latest election in 2017 nevertheless. This article has sourcing issues, though. --Tone 16:19, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
  • We shouldn't have though - compounding errors doesn't correct them. --LaserLegs (talk) 16:27, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:IAR. One needs to be careful to avoid obfuscating who the true head-of-state is. The President is not the PM.--WaltCip (talk) 16:33, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose per above. No need to post a figurehead. Lepricavark (talk) 17:08, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose essentially agree with WaltCip's comment –Ammarpad (talk) 23:14, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support: Previously Imran Khan blurb was not approved and now this. Pakistan is not a small country to be ignored like this. All British smallest elected/selected members gets INTR and when it comes to this, it becomes ceremonial. Then why Geremany blurb was posted? Nauriya (Let's talk) 08:154, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

RD: Jalaluddin Haqqani

• Nominated by Sherenk1 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: The founder of the Haqqani militant network. Some referencing issues. Sherenk1 (talk) 06:04, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

• Weak support looks mostly okay, although not sure about the fair use image rationale, just because someone's a terrorist, it doesn't mean a free image couldn't be available. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:27, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
• Comment: note that they date of death is unknown - the Taliban only announced it on 3 September. I'd like to see a reference for the last two sentences in the Death section. There are reports in the BBC and Guardian that might help - Dumelow (talk) 11:31, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

September 3

(Posted) RD: Claire Wineland

• Nominated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Article well sourced --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 23:02, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

• Support No issues found. FoxyGrampa75 (talk) 23:10, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support. Fully sourced. MurielMary (talk) 23:28, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
• Posted. Black Kite (talk) 23:46, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Jacqueline Pearce

• Nominated by FoxyGrampa75 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: British actress. Articles looks fine, though not too fine. FoxyGrampa75 (talk) 19:04, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

• Support - have tidied up the article, all sourced. MurielMary (talk) 20:05, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support - good 2 go.--BabbaQ (talk) 21:41, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support No issues. Pawnkingthree (talk) 21:59, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
• Posted. Black Kite (talk) 23:46, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Gordon Phillips (footballer)

• Nominated by Dumelow (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Brentford FC footballer. Possibly a little work to do to the article, I will try to take a look at it - Dumelow (talk) 16:19, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

• Support looks fine to me. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:18, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support Well-sourced and the article is good. FoxyGrampa75 (talk) 19:10, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
• Posted. Black Kite (talk) 23:46, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

(Removed) 2018 Kerala floods

Nominator's comments: Posted as a blurb more than two weeks ago before being moved to ongoing. The event itself (the flood and rescue) has ended and efforts are now focused on what typically occurs after a disaster. The last substantial addition to the article was a PR exercise about fishermen reported 5 days ago. Prior to that reactions from various organisations were last added on the 23 August. Neither of which currently meets the purpose of blurb or ongoing. Fuebaey (talk) 14:19, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

• Removed. --Tone 14:24, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

Sentencing of two Reuters journalists

• Nominated by Sherenk1 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Sentenced now. Sherenk1 (talk) 07:15, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

• Support – in principle as a significant press freedom and human rights case – but do we want a separate article? Sca (talk) 15:18, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
• I'm not so sure about this one. Yes, the sentencing of two Reuters journalists for investigating a mass grave is an ominous sign of Myanmar sliding back into the bad old days of direct military rule, but I've not heard about their specific case until just now. Therefore, I'm not entirely convinced that this sentencing is significant enough by itself to merit a blurb on the main page. Kurtis 22:29, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
  • I've heard quite a bit of it, though. In fact, they were supposed to be sentenced about 10 days ago but the judge was ill. Kingsif (talk) 23:48, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support I saw reasonable coverage of this before the sentencing example, so the sentencing itself should be postable. Banedon (talk) 23:49, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
• Comment I'm neutral on posting, but shouldn't the suggested blurb have a few more wikilinks, perhaps for Myanmar, Reuters, and Rohingya? Tlhslobus (talk) 01:40, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
• Extremely Weak Support Part of me really wants to put this on the main page in the form of a flashing neon sign. But once I beat down the RGW impulses I am compelled to ask, why is this act of petty tyranny more significant than any of the other crimes against a free press that occur daily all over the world? Reporters are jailed or murdered with such regularity that this is hardly a standout event. Yeah, I'm supporting. But in all honesty it's my RGW impulses rising up again. Ask me in an hour and I may change my vote. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:16, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

This is a high-profile case in terms of newsworthiness. Coverage I saw Monday cited evidence that Wa Lone and Kyaw Soe Oo were framed by Myanmar police with planted documents. And the horrible Rohingya saga is of great significance from a human rights perspective – particularly given Aung San Suu Kyi's previous squeaky-clean reputation. Sca (talk) 15:45, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

I'm still neutral, but this has little or nothing to do with WP:RGW, which is entirely about not putting stuff into Misplaced Pages which is not supported by reliable sources, and nobody is trying to do that here. (Any other interpretation of RGW would seemingly make little sense, if only because everything in Misplaced Pages is supposedly there as part of an attempt to reduce ignorance and could thus be challenged on the basis that it is an attempt to right the great wrong of keeping people in ignorance (as has arguably sometimes successfully happened here in the past.)) Tlhslobus (talk) 12:15, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose, in part because of what Ad Orientem said above. If we had a good-looking separate article for this situation, I would have likely voted support, however. Honestly, a flashing neon sign would be perfect... ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 08:19, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

See my above comment re WP:RGW being irrelevant here.Tlhslobus (talk) 12:15, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

• The phrase "while investigating" implies causation without proving it. There are ways to say they were set up in a neutral voice: perhaps "UN human rights chief calls for release of..." ghost 11:15, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
• Comment I'm inclined to support because it was "in the news" (though I agree with Ad Orientem above). The "prelude" and "massacre" section both have a single (reliable) source, and both sections are thin on details -- not something that ought be featured on the MP. Whats there seems ok. --LaserLegs (talk) 13:48, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

September 2

(Posted) RD: Conway Savage

• Nominated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Article well sourced --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 06:27, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

• Neutral Page needs better formatting, but the content and references are all there. Kingsif (talk) 23:47, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 01:06, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

(Posted) National Museum of Brazil fire

• Nominated by Jbribeiro1 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: The article needs work, but it is (was) the most important museum in Brazil. José Luiz 02:43, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

• support©Geni (talk) 03:20, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support - The now-redirected target article is a bit thin, but reasonably well-referenced. The prose appears to be a bit awkward in a few spots. The notability of the fire event is high, from what I’m reading. Jusdafax (talk) 03:28, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support conditional on the article about the fire being the one bold linked in the blurb and not the museum which has some gaps in referencing and has not been adequately updated. This is a cultural catastrophe of epic proportions. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:41, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

 Done. José Luiz 03:55, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

• Support the event article is fully sourced and as complete as possible for a recent event. power~enwiki (π, ν) 04:41, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 04:50, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
• Request Please add a image and help to improve the articles. @Stephen: Keep the original burb to give appropriate certification of notoriety to the context. ArionEstar (talk) 05:10, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
  • The posted blurb is correct. Blurbs are for stating what happened, not defining the things they happened to. We have an encyclopedia around here somewhere to do that. —Cryptic 05:55, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
    • When disasters happen we try to have some quantification to say why its important (most often the death toll). Here it would be some type of monetary value but the article claims it is "invaluable". Only in consideration towards this it might be helpful to point to the "200-year old museum" (as NYTimes, BBC, and several other news sources all put that number in their headline), it gives an impression how significant this was (given that no one otherwise appeared hurt). --Masem (t) 06:06, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
      • That this was the National Museum of a country is surely significant enough? Stephen 06:50, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
        • @Stephen: Could you at least specify the city where the museum is located (“A fire destroys the National Museum of Brazil, in Rio de Janeiro”)? ArionEstar (talk) 10:20, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
          • Added, I noticed that too. --Tone 12:19, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
        • "National Museum" doesn't necessary convey the size or importance of the collection; not all "national museums" are of equal value. But this is only a minor suggestion, nothing to argue too deeply about. --Masem (t) 14:22, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
•  Question: It's clearly been significantly damaged, but has it been 'destroyed'? Maybe reword that? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 13:19, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

I think it was completely destroyed. See some pictures of aftermath here. José Luiz 14:04, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

It does seem completely destroyed, also  Question: could it be mentioned that the firefighters were tasked with rescuing artefacts before/during putting the fire out (especially because it was deemed uncontrollable)? It's seems like an interesting fact, or should that be put on DYK? (1 2) Kingsif (talk) 15:52, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

If an article has been on the main page in ITN, it is no longer eligible for DYK per WP:DYKRULES #1d. Regards SoWhy 07:36, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

(Posted) 2018 All-Ireland Football Final

• Nominated by Stormy clouds (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: ITN/R, but the article needs work, including a prose update, and sourcing. The article is now updated with a prose description of the game, and enhanced sourcing. Stormy clouds (talk) 21:44, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose well, per nom, we have no real summary of the final. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:13, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

@The Rambling Man: - I have done my best to write one. Is that passable? Stormy clouds (talk) 22:55, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

• Support Seems okay to me, though the Tyrone All-Ireland Semi-Final is missing a "Report" link and the detail on scorers as the other games have. Hrodvarsson (talk) 02:15, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

@Hrodvarsson: - issues outlined have been rectified. Stormy clouds (talk) 10:36, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

• Posted Stephen 00:01, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Ian Lariba

• Nominated by Dumelow (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Filipina Olympic table tennis player. Article is fully sourced, could perhaps use a little expansion but is probably sufficient for a career cut short by her death at 23 - Dumelow (talk) 19:44, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

• Weak support per nom. Could be expanded, but what's there is ok. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:53, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support. Sufficient for main page, sourced appropriately. MurielMary (talk) 22:04, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
• Posted -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:26, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

(Posted) 2018 Asian Games closing

• Nominated by Angga1061 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Hddty. (talk · give credit), Bennv3771 (talk · give credit) and M R Karim Reza (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: The closing ceremony article is very stub-y, so it definitely needs much work. Angga1061 (talk) 16:57, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

• Weak support this (I think) is the third time this event has been nominated here. My reservation in this instance comes from the lack of "in the news" I'm seeing. The article seems okay, and I'm certain there are hundreds of millions of Misplaced Pages readers who are aware of and interested in this, but ... it's just not ITN. But still, support weakly. And bonus points to the nominator for perseverance. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:05, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support Fully agree that this is not the type of thing for ongoing, but as we do have for ITNR the opening of the Commonwealth games, I see no reason not to post a similarly Olympic-stylized multi-national event elsewhere as a one-time blurb (not ongoing). --Masem (t) 17:33, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
• Comment 2018 Asian Games closing ceremony should not be linked in the blurb in its current state. It was originally entirely unsourced, and though I've added one reference now, it is still not ready to be on the main page. Bennv3771 (talk) 17:35, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
• Comment If we go in line with the Olympics, we never post the medal tally in the blurb. So I don't think we should here either. --Tone 19:01, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

  Is that right? My memory fails. I'm sure I've seen blurbs for multi-sport contests where we note who topped the medal table, not the tally, just who topped out. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:08, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

  Ah, maybe if the target article is the closing ceremony we don't focus on the "winning" country, but if we're not mentioning that because the article is too lame, I don't think I see too much harm in noting the top of the leaderboard. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:12, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

• Support the world's largest sporting event save for the olympics. Openlydialectic (talk) 19:27, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
• Comment I don't see anything special about the 2018 Asian Games as opposed to other Asian Games, so it's either notable enough for ITN/R or there is no reason why this particular one should be posted. I'm not opposed to this posting, just saying that if you support this posting you should probably propose to add it to ITN/R. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 19:41, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 00:26, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

September 1

August 31

(Closed) RD: Amanda Kyle Williams

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

• Nominated by MurielMary (talk · give credit)

• Support - A short article, but the sourcing looks good to me. Kurtis 22:10, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Carole Shelley

• Nominated by MurielMary (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: sourced to secondary sources MurielMary (talk) 21:09, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

• Support Looks fine to me. Black Kite (talk) 21:39, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 23:47, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support - Good to go. BabbaQ (talk) 23:48, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

(Posted) RD:Susan Brown (American actress)

• Nominated by MurielMary (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Sourced to secondary sources MurielMary (talk) 10:34, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

• Support Looks OK to me. There's one sentence in the Career section unsourced, though that's not a show-stopper. Black Kite (talk) 10:51, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support what Black Kite said. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:01, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
• Posted -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:38, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

(Posted blurb) RD: Alexander Zakharchenko

• Nominated by Hameltion (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Appears to be well sourced. Added (20:45, 31 August 2018 (UTC)) a blurb for your consideration. Conflicting narratives make the agent of the assassination unclear; also, should the DPR's support from Russia be noted? Hameltion (talk, contribs) 16:03, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

• Support RD & support blurb - No immediately obvious issues with the article. It's very notable that the president of a major proto-state was assassinated. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 18:39, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
• Support blurb The assassination seems to be the main story here, and he was the sitting president of a self-proclaimed state. EternalNomad (talk) 18:40, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

• I'm not against an ITN news blurb either because he was the most powerful figure leading the anti-Ukraine side of the Crisis in Ukraine and War in Donbass (other than Putin of course). I don't know if ITN treats states with limited recognition differently (which Donetsk is technically not listed as because we can't find its declaration of independence), but for the top ranking official of the insurgency to be assassinated is not insignificant. I've edited my comment to note that I'd support one if one was proposed. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 18:48, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

• Support blurb not because of his importance but as an event (fingers are already being pointed to Russia). I think many already are calling this an assassination, and that's clearly news. To that end, I don't know if we have enough to support a separate article on the assignation as there's certainly going to be an investigation of this. --Masem (t) 19:07, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
• Support blurb Very important person in the Ukrainian crisis. --Bruzaholm (talk) 19:15, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
• Comment – I'm inclined to say RD only due to Zakharchenko's limited notability in the Eng.-lang. world, but since it's an assassination I won't oppose a blurb if one garners a consensus. (AP, BBC, Reuters, dpa added as sources above.) Sca (talk) 20:30, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
• Comment on proposal The proposed blurb is sufficient. In response to "should the DPR's support from Russia be noted?" I don't feel that this would be necessary as the users can read about that in the linked article; as someone who has frequented articles on entities with limited recognition, it seems excessive to describe in detail the belligerents of a territorial dispute if the subject isn't the territory or its dispute (for example, not every Abkhazia article needs to mention how it's recognized by some countries but not most of the UN and was supported by Russia in the war unless the article is about the history of the dispute). In this case, the news story is about how an explosion killed the president of a self-proclaimed republic. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 21:19, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
• Support blurb per above. Very notable death (possible assassination, and head-of-state of an un-recognized state). Davey2116 (talk) 21:47, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

support not because of the main nature of an unrecognized state but because of the potential for an uptick in war where its been somewhat frozen lately. Also don't need self-proclaimed as that should be on the DPR link.Lihaas (talk) 23:14, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

• Support blurb. Notable event in Eastern European history. Capitalistroadster (talk) 01:18, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support blurb Zakharchenko is easily one of the most recognizable names from the Ukrainian crisis since 2014. Nice4What (talk) 09:59, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support blurb Death of a sitting head of state, the negative of "self-proclaimed" is countered by "likely assassinated". Kingsif (talk) 18:03, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
• Not ready while the "early life" section is missing refs --LaserLegs (talk) 21:20, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

• Comment Updated source for birth date, remove the market salesman info as cannot find any source. Kingsif (talk) 21:40, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
• Ready The problems identified in the edits by LaserLegs have been fixed. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 22:49, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose there I go again, "obstructing" the speedy post of a sub par article about a "very important" subject by actually checking the refs in the article. I don't have time to check the whole thing, first paragraph in "political career" was sub-par enough for me. As for "importance" I'm seeing today Syria, Yemen, a stabbing in Amsterdam, but I don't see the assassination of the self-appointed leader of an unrecognized state. I'm clearly outnumbered there, but please, check the refs and don't post a puff piece. Thanks! --LaserLegs (talk) 21:36, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

• Concerns regarding quality can be addressed (and it appears that they already have been addressed), but I wouldn't agree with the rationale for lack of importance. I found no shortage of mainstream international coverage about this death. Zakharchenko was not self-appointed, and if you're finding no coverage then I'm not sure what sources you're using because we already have quite a few in the sources section of this nomination. I also don't see how it's a "puff piece." With all due respect, the way you worded that leads me to believe that the War in Donbass isn't an event that you personally follow, but that doesn't make it any less important internationally. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 22:35, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

• I picked one paragraph and poked it full of holes, dunno or care about the rest, don't really care that much about the subject, just trying to keep BLP vios off the main page (WTF does an arrested "freelance journalist" have to do with human rights abuses in general or specifically with Zakharchenko?). $0.02 anyway this'll be posted in no time. --LaserLegs (talk) 23:13, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

• That's reasonable, though my !vote remains support. ITN nominations tend to shine a spotlight on problems that not many would notice had they not been in the news, so it would be beneficial for editors to see what they can do to improve it whether it gets posted or not, but I don't see any major concerns as I go through the article, only minor tweaks that anyone could quickly fix. (by the way, I've removed the part about the freelance journalist, you're right that it didn't relate to Zakharchenko) Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 23:31, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

• ReadyI've now done some more fixing on the page, for style and grammar. The sources seem reasonable enough, especially for a small barely-recognised Eastern European state. Kingsif (talk) 04:17, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

• Posted blurb. 331dot (talk) 08:22, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

August 30

(Posted) RD: Ray (wrestler)

• Nominated by Dumelow (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Perhaps it says something about the priorities of Misplaced Pages editors when we have a 4000+ word article on a female wrestler whilst the article of engineers and scientists lie neglected... I can't say I have read it thoroughly but what I did read was OK and it seems to be thoroughly sourced - Dumelow (talk) 16:45, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

• That's a feature, not a bug. 159.53.174.142 (talk) 16:58, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
  • While true, we have had relatively recent problems discovering that various editors that are regularly involved in writing about wrestling and/or MMA tend to go into far too much detail (and I would argue this one does as well, and appearing to rely a lot on primary sources for that purpose). Couple that with 90% of the sources being Japanese (which is not a problem for sources, but is for translation accuracy concerns). For example, the source reporting the death doesn't seem to be a usual RS for us but it is in Japanese so I can't be sure about that. Lots of questions here on "quality" that is different from the normal sourcing issues for RDs we have. --Masem (t) 17:18, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
• Support - let's not lament what we have (like this article) and not what we don't have.  MPJ-DK  01:05, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support - As much as I agree with the nominator that it would be great if more articles were substantive like this one, this is the one being nominated, and it's very detailed. The hundreds of citations prove that she's easily notable enough. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 08:45, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support Good quality article. Lugnuts 16:39, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support good to go. Not sure why this isn't at the very least a WP:GA. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:14, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

  And nearly 24 hours later, there's no good reason this hasn't been posted, right? The Rambling Man (talk) 17:02, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

• Posted -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:46, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Gary Friedrich

• Nominated by Hawkeye7 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Tenebrae (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Not nearly as significant in the history of comics as Marie Severin I will concede, although for reasons difficult to understand, his Ghost Rider has become a much-loved character. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 07:48, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

• There seems to be indecision on if Grand Comics Database is RS. I'm just spitballing here, but maybe we'd be okay with a some citations there, but not the quantity that's in this article. ghost 11:39, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
• Support - considering that it's sourcing totally uncontrovertial facts I don't think that it's a problem since there are plenty of other sources out there too, it's 2 out 37.  MPJ-DK  01:09, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support good to go. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:14, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

  And nearly 24 hours later there's no actual reason why this also shouldn't be posted right? The Rambling Man (talk) 17:02, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

• Posted -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:43, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

(Closed) RD: Costa-Gavras

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• Nominated by Fram (talk · give credit)

@Fram: - apparently his death is fake news? Lugnuts 14:05, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

Indeed, thanks. I hope I can be forgiven for not spotting it as fake news, since it was an Associated Press report which spread the news? But obviously this RD can be closed! Fram (talk) 14:24, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

August 29

(Closed) RD: Paul Taylor

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• Nominated by CoatCheck (talk · give credit)

• Oppose BLP sources maintenance tag needs to be addressed. Hrodvarsson (talk) 02:12, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose - click, sees warranted tag at the top, opposes.  MPJ-DK  01:11, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Marie Severin

• Nominated by Masem (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Narvel Comics artist, co-creator of Spider-Woman. The article has only a few CNs, but unfortunately the bibliography/works are all unsourced. Masem (t) 19:50, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose. Lack of sourcing for Bibliography and a couple of citations needed tags. Capitalistroadster (talk) 22:09, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

• Regarding the bibliography, all the comics work is assigned to specific numbered issues. The inherent citation here is to those issues, which will have credits. --LukeSurl 08:42, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Nevermind. This book contains a complete bibliography. --LukeSurl 09:13, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

• Support Tags are dealt with. Looks good to post. --LukeSurl 09:19, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
• Support - bibliography is sourced to the biography of Severin, which lists all her writing etc credits. MurielMary (talk) 09:25, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
• Posted. --Jayron32 11:59, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

(Closed) RD: Stan Brock (philanthropist)

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• Nominated by FoxyGrampa75 (talk · give credit)

• Needs some work with sourcing. --Tone 15:15, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
• Opposed - several unsourced sections.  MPJ-DK  01:13, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

(Closed) RD: Paul Spudis

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• Nominated by Count Iblis (talk · give credit)

• Oppose poorly referenced for a BLP. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:38, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
• Opposed - poor reference and a link to an external site in lieu of a full bibliography  MPJ-DK  01:15, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

(Withdrawn) Ongoing: 2018 Asian Games

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• Nominated by Angga1061 (talk · give credit)

• Question what is being updated here which benefits our readers? The Rambling Man (talk) 18:39, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

The medal table, for starters? —Angga1061 19:00, 29 August 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Angga1061 (talk • contribs)

Ok, the completely unreferenced table of numbers? Not what I'd consider a substantive enough update for an Ongoing item at all, so I oppose. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:02, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

• Conditional Support if the medals table is sourced. I personally wouldn't have supported posting this to ITN either based on the same grounds, but overall it's not too far from being ready for ongoing. Notability is of course not a problem, as it's in the interest of 45 participating nations, but the article just needs a few more citations for verification. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 20:25, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

  No, just tweaking the medal table is not something for ongoing. Nonsense. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:34, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

  Not only is it not nonsense, it's quite common here. We've posted ongoing multi-nation sporting events several times in the last year FIFA 18 last month and Winter Olympics 18 (which was just updating a medal table; Asian games is ran by olympic committees). If I were to oppose an all-Asia event because I'm not hearing about it over in the Anglosphere I'd be acting based on my blindspots. I'm not saying or even implying "american bias!!!!" (I criticize those comments on a regular basis), but it would be inaccurate to say that tweaking the medal table isn't something we post to ongoing, as we do that routinely. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 21:12, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

  No, it's nonsense. Substantial updates are required. Just tweaking a number here or there isn't substantial. (Your link to the Winter Olympics wasn't a link to a table being tweaked, more a chronological summary of the games in toto. This is not that.) Sorry about that. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:22, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

  Fair point regarding the Olympics, but what of FIFA? If I'm not mistaken, the most substantial updates there were simply the advancement of teams game after game. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 21:57, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

  No, I think each game summary was updated, along with a link to each game's RS. It was certainly more than just tweaking a medal table. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:00, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

  On that point alone I respectfully disagree because the most content for each game was simply listing the score and the date with a source, which is essentially just a table in a different format, but your overall point is fair. It is not too much to ask to have substantial updates, I just wouldn't say FIFA's was any more substantial than this. However, Black Kite is right in his comment below: the games are over in a few days, so we need not discuss any further. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 22:21, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

  The updates were more substantial than just tweaking numbers in an unreferenced table. That is all. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:24, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

• More to the point, there are only three days of competition left, so it hardly seems worth adding it now. Black Kite (talk) 22:03, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

  That is true. Even if the article is sourced better, it won't be ongoing for much longer. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 22:21, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose I would contend that the World Cup and the Olympics are the only two sporting events that should appear in the Ongoing section. Lepricavark (talk) 22:31, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
• We would normally post Chronological summary of the 2018 Asian Games, but it doesn't exist. Stephen 23:02, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose only because the article is not receiving sufficient, quality updates. If the article was being improved daily with properly referenced, well written prose then I wouldn't have any problem with keeping this ongoing, but the quality does not provide value to readers as it has been maintained so far. --Jayron32 10:24, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
• I withdraw this nomination. Black Kite is right; there are only a few days left before the Games close on Sunday, so it's ridiculous to nominate it as for Ongoing just now. —Angga1061 15:05, 30 August 2018 (UTC); edited 16:48, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

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