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* Lets get serious, because we have some serious problems here. For years, this article has been policed by advocates of ''Serbo-Croatian'' "language", who suppressed all content referring to other views, and the same censorship was also implemented in other related articles. Such practice was regrettable, and in total odds with Misplaced Pages editing guidelines. There is only one way to remedy this situation. This particular article should be substantially improved in order reflect the full complexity of all issues related to "''Serbo-Croatian''" linguistic label. From the very lead, readers should be informed that there are three main linguistic theories and uses of "''Serbo-Croatian''" label. First is the notion of ''Serbo-Croatian'' as an ''individual language'', second is the notion of ''Serbo-Croatian'' as a ], and third is the notion of ''Serbo-Croatian'' as a linguistic cluster, or ], consisting of four individual languages: ], ], ] and ]. All of those views should be presented and explained from linguistic and historical perspective, without misrepresentations, like in some recent edits. After several removals of content on ] classification, that problem was raised here, forcing advocates of ''Serbo-Croatian'' "language" to adopt other tactics. That resulted in this , which is the prime example of manipulative editing. That edit states, literally: "''ISO 639-3 recognizes the pluricentric nature of the language by referring to it as a "macrolanguage"''"! That is not what 639-3 recognizes at all. It clearly and explicitly defines "''Serbo-Croatian''" as a linguistic cluster, or ], not as a ]. It is obvious that some users, who are policing this article for years, are not interested in constructive editing. Simply speaking, they are using all opportunities not only to push their own ], but also to suppress all other views by removing or manipulating content. Such behavior should stop, since it is inappropriate by all standards. ] (]) 04:04, 31 January 2019 (UTC) * Lets get serious, because we have some serious problems here. For years, this article has been policed by advocates of ''Serbo-Croatian'' "language", who suppressed all content referring to other views, and the same censorship was also implemented in other related articles. Such practice was regrettable, and in total odds with Misplaced Pages editing guidelines. There is only one way to remedy this situation. This particular article should be substantially improved in order reflect the full complexity of all issues related to "''Serbo-Croatian''" linguistic label. From the very lead, readers should be informed that there are three main linguistic theories and uses of "''Serbo-Croatian''" label. First is the notion of ''Serbo-Croatian'' as an ''individual language'', second is the notion of ''Serbo-Croatian'' as a ], and third is the notion of ''Serbo-Croatian'' as a linguistic cluster, or ], consisting of four individual languages: ], ], ] and ]. All of those views should be presented and explained from linguistic and historical perspective, without misrepresentations, like in some recent edits. After several removals of content on ] classification, that problem was raised here, forcing advocates of ''Serbo-Croatian'' "language" to adopt other tactics. That resulted in this , which is the prime example of manipulative editing. That edit states, literally: "''ISO 639-3 recognizes the pluricentric nature of the language by referring to it as a "macrolanguage"''"! That is not what 639-3 recognizes at all. It clearly and explicitly defines "''Serbo-Croatian''" as a linguistic cluster, or ], not as a ]. It is obvious that some users, who are policing this article for years, are not interested in constructive editing. Simply speaking, they are using all opportunities not only to push their own ], but also to suppress all other views by removing or manipulating content. Such behavior should stop, since it is inappropriate by all standards. ] (]) 04:04, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
::It's also quite clear that Sorabino is neither a linguist nor familiar with either the linguistic attitude toward ISO 639-3's classification scheme nor the linguistic literature in general. He is relying 100% on ISO 639-3's label of Serbo-Croatian as a "macrolanguage", a label that is not accepted anywhere else in linguistic literature. ISO 639-3 is not considered to be a major or particularly reliable source when it comes to determining what is and is not either a language or a dialect cluster. The vast majority of linguistic literature, a clear consensus, is that Serbo-Croatian is a single language that comprises a dialect cluster. There really isn't any debate on the issue. Sorabino refuses to recognize the importance of these other linguistic sources and overemphasizes the label "macrolanguage" used by ISO 639-3, which linguists in general ignore. I have cited major reliable linguistic sources (sources that are uniformly and universally respected by linguists) at ] and ] already. If Sorabino continues to ignore the linguistic literature in his single-minded drive to push ISO 639-3 as the only source of interest to him, then I'll replicate the list here as well. Linguists do '''''not''''' treat Serbo-Croatian as a "macrolanguage" in the sense of a small family of languages. They uniformly treat Serbo-Croatian as a single pluricentric language with three to five dialects (depending on how they treat Chakavian, Kajkavian, and Montenegrin). My sentence about ISO 639-3 was a compromise to mollify Sorabino, but if he insists on pushing the "multiple languages" narrative, then I will remove it because that is not the linguistic consensus among actual linguists in well-respected linguistic classifications. The reason that ISO 639-3 is not well-respected is simple: too many of its distinctions are based on political calculations and not solid rigorous linguistic ones. --] (]) 06:28, 31 January 2019 (UTC) ::It's also quite clear that Sorabino is neither a linguist nor familiar with either the linguistic attitude toward ISO 639-3's classification scheme nor the linguistic literature in general. He is relying 100% on ISO 639-3's label of Serbo-Croatian as a "macrolanguage", a label that is not accepted anywhere else in linguistic literature. ISO 639-3 is not considered to be a major or particularly reliable source when it comes to determining what is and is not either a language or a dialect cluster. The vast majority of linguistic literature, a clear consensus, is that Serbo-Croatian is a single language that comprises a dialect cluster. There really isn't any debate on the issue. Sorabino refuses to recognize the importance of these other linguistic sources and overemphasizes the label "macrolanguage" used by ISO 639-3, which linguists in general ignore. I have cited major reliable linguistic sources (sources that are uniformly and universally respected by linguists) at ] and ] already. If Sorabino continues to ignore the linguistic literature in his single-minded drive to push ISO 639-3 as the only source of interest to him, then I'll replicate the list here as well. Linguists do '''''not''''' treat Serbo-Croatian as a "macrolanguage" in the sense of a small family of languages. They uniformly treat Serbo-Croatian as a single pluricentric language with three to five dialects (depending on how they treat Chakavian, Kajkavian, and Montenegrin). My sentence about ISO 639-3 was a compromise to mollify Sorabino, but if he insists on pushing the "multiple languages" narrative, then I will remove it because that is not the linguistic consensus among actual linguists in well-respected linguistic classifications. The reason that ISO 639-3 is not well-respected is simple: too many of its distinctions are based on political calculations and not solid rigorous linguistic ones. --] (]) 06:28, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
:::It seems that you are continuing to censure this article, suppressing relevant content, and deliberately misrepresenting sources. Your opposition to any mention of different linguistic views is totally unfounded in linguistics. You have no right to suppress different views, but there is no need for me to repeat myself. It would be quite enough to quote ], that states: . There you have it, my friend. That is how encyclopedic articles are written, with scientific neutrality, presenting all views. But, since you have been disregarding the views of the entire linguistic team of ], I guess that you will disregard the Encyclopedia Britannica too. However, it is clear that there are opposite linguistic views on "Serbo-Croatian" and all those views should be represented in this article. I propose that we redefine the lead in accordance with Misplaced Pages guidelines, presenting all relevant views on this subject. ] (]) 09:43, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

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Misspelling

Please correct the misspelling: "u uerish haruacchi slosena", it should be "uersih" (versih, eng. verses).

Syllabic "r"

We're told that this feature also exists in Czech, Slovak and Macedonian. Another language it exists in is Slovene, but this isn't mentioned. And in the linked article on Serbo-Croatian phonology there's no mention of other languages in which the feature exists, whereas you would expect a more specialised article to include at least the same and, if possible, more information. I think someone should compare the information in the two articles and make sure it matches. Since this would involve inserting or possibly removing links, I will leave this to someone with the requisite technical knowledge.89.212.50.177 (talk) 11:30, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

language code

This article says the language code sh is deprecated but confusingly doesn't mention that it is and why it's used by the Serbo-Croatian Misplaced Pages. --Espoo (talk) 06:58, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

Nothing confusing about it: all ISO 639-1 and 6349-2 codes have been replaced (deprecated) by ISO 639-3 codes. --Taivo (talk) 08:53, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

Good luck with those questions, nobody wants to deal with that here, because its just a tip of the iceberg. Code "sh" was deprecated back in 2000 by ISO, and here is the real link, not the useless one currently placed in the article. In spite of deprecation, code "sh" is still being used in many articles on English Misplaced Pages, and there are several users who are constantly removing codes for real languages, replacing them with "sh" code. Not to mention the fact that this article does not even mention the term "macrolanguage" (that is the official ISO designation for BCMS cluster). There should be an entire section on the subject, but it seems that we are still pretending here that "Serbo-Croatian language" actually exist, and for some reason those appearances "must" be kept, since the truth would consequently undermine the very existence of a failed pet-project called the Serbo-Croatian Misplaced Pages. Current census numbers in this article are the prime example of manipulation. Advocates of Serbo-Croatian "language" are terrified of the fact that all census data in last twenty years are showing zero-point-zero-something percent of "Serbo-Croatian" speakers in all countries of former Yugoslavia, and that is why in this article we still have a cumulative fairy-tail story about millions of speakers. This entire article should be transformed into a credible article on Serbo-Croatian as a multilanguage, referring to BCMS cluster, as defined by ISO. In its present state, this article is very misleading. Sorabino (talk) 09:24, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

Link to Serbo-Croatian Misplaced Pages

We do not link under the "See Also" section to the Wikipedias in that language in language articles. There are links on the left to other language Wikipedias. A link to "Serbo-Croatian Misplaced Pages" is not appropriate here. --Taivo (talk) 11:27, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

Agreed. It is definitely misplaced. Surtsicna (talk) 20:48, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

Macrolanguage

It seems that we have a serious problem here. Information on official ISO classification of Serbo-Croatian as a linguistic cluster, or macrolanguage, is constantly being suppressed and removed from this article, and several other related articles. Archive of this talk page shows that this problem is recurring and persisting for more than a decade now. Some advocates of Serbo-Croatian "language" don't like the term "macrolanguage" and they also don't agree with ISO classification. That wouldn't be a problem, since everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but some users are going much further, trying to suppress any mention of official ISO terminology and classification of Serbo-Croatian as a macrolanguage. They are constantly removing all content on that subject, not only from this article, but also from some other related articles. And there lies the problem. Any suppression or censorship of relevant and properly referenced contend on the "I don't like it" basis is by definition improper. Selective monopolization and reduction of content to one's own POV is not useful editing. Classification of Serbo-Croatian is a complex linguistic problem, and this article should provide information on all relevant views and opinions on that subject. It should go without saying that official position of ISO on that subject constitutes a relevant information, that should not be suppressed or censored from this article, and other relevant articles. It should be also noted that classification of Serbo-Croatian as a macrolanguage is accepted by many linguists and scholarly institutions, and there are no justified reasons for suppression of relevant content on that subject. Sorabino (talk) 10:02, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

There is no problem mentioning the use of the term "macrolanguage" in the article. The problem has always been giving it WP:UNDUE influence, turning it into an entire paragraph, and using it solely as the basis for calling Serbian, Croatian, and Bosnian "separate languages" as if they were German and French. The term "macrolanguage" is an ad hoc term that ISO 639-3 uses rather loosely. It is not widely used in linguistic literature contra the claim by Sorabino. Serbo-Croatian is the label for a small set of mutually intelligible dialects, not separate languages. The linguistic literature has been uniform in this. Using the ISO 639-3 use of the term "macrolanguage" has been used in this article (and the others) to argue that these are separate languages and that "macrolanguage" is term used for a grouping of languages. Such is not the case. I have never opposed a mention of ISO, but I have always opposed the misuse of the ISO label to push for a nationalistic agenda whereby "Serbo-Croatian" is not used in its scholarly sense as a label for a dialect complex, but in its political sense to group separate languages. Serbo-Croatian is a single pluricentric language, not a cluster of different languages. --Taivo (talk) 11:22, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
Linguists do not rely on ISO 639-3 as some sort of universal listing of the world's languages. Many of the "languages" that are separated by ISO are clearly dialects and not separate mutually unintelligible languages. While ISO 639-3 separates Bosnian, Serbian, and Croatian into three "languages" under the "macrolanguage" Serbo-Croatian, Glottolog, which is much more linguistically sound, lists these three as dialects of the "Serbian-Croatian-Bosnian" language. Linguasphere also lists these as dialects of a single language "Srpski-Hrvatski" ("Serbo-Croatian"). Klose's "Sprechen der Welt" also lists Serbisch, Kroatisch, etc. as dialects of "Serbokroatisch". I could go on and on. Thus, using ISO's use of the vague term "macrolanguage" to justify calling Serbian, Bosnian, and Croatian separate languages (as Sorabino's paragraph is trying to do), is putting WP:UNDUE weight on a single source whose main purpose is not a linguistically unassailable listing of the world's languages by consistent measure, but a system of coding useful in computer-assisted research and bibliographic cataloguing. --Taivo (talk) 11:47, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
  • The definitions and classifications that underlie ISO 639-3 are something of a last resort: to be used as sources in the absence of any in-depth literature on the topic. I don't think this is the case for a major topic like Serbo-Croatian. How it is defined in the various ISO standards is of course relevant information, but I'm not sure it deserves a place in the lede, at least not a very prominent one. – Uanfala (talk) 13:53, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
I agree with you. I placed the comment in the lead because I was getting ready to head to work and didn't want to spend a lot of time thinking about it. It is the maximum length that I think the topic deserves. I would be happy to see it moved into a more appropriate place. But at least Sorabino can no longer claim that we've ignored his "reliable source". --Taivo (talk) 15:00, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Lets get serious, because we have some serious problems here. For years, this article has been policed by advocates of Serbo-Croatian "language", who suppressed all content referring to other views, and the same censorship was also implemented in other related articles. Such practice was regrettable, and in total odds with Misplaced Pages editing guidelines. There is only one way to remedy this situation. This particular article should be substantially improved in order reflect the full complexity of all issues related to "Serbo-Croatian" linguistic label. From the very lead, readers should be informed that there are three main linguistic theories and uses of "Serbo-Croatian" label. First is the notion of Serbo-Croatian as an individual language, second is the notion of Serbo-Croatian as a pluricentric language, and third is the notion of Serbo-Croatian as a linguistic cluster, or macrolanguage, consisting of four individual languages: Bosniac, Croatian, Montenegrin and Serbian. All of those views should be presented and explained from linguistic and historical perspective, without misrepresentations, like in some recent edits. After several removals of content on ISO classification, that problem was raised here, forcing advocates of Serbo-Croatian "language" to adopt other tactics. That resulted in this edit, which is the prime example of manipulative editing. That edit states, literally: "ISO 639-3 recognizes the pluricentric nature of the language by referring to it as a "macrolanguage""! That is not what 639-3 recognizes at all. It clearly and explicitly defines "Serbo-Croatian" as a linguistic cluster, or macrolanguage, not as a pluricentric language. It is obvious that some users, who are policing this article for years, are not interested in constructive editing. Simply speaking, they are using all opportunities not only to push their own POV, but also to suppress all other views by removing or manipulating content. Such behavior should stop, since it is inappropriate by all standards. Sorabino (talk) 04:04, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
It's also quite clear that Sorabino is neither a linguist nor familiar with either the linguistic attitude toward ISO 639-3's classification scheme nor the linguistic literature in general. He is relying 100% on ISO 639-3's label of Serbo-Croatian as a "macrolanguage", a label that is not accepted anywhere else in linguistic literature. ISO 639-3 is not considered to be a major or particularly reliable source when it comes to determining what is and is not either a language or a dialect cluster. The vast majority of linguistic literature, a clear consensus, is that Serbo-Croatian is a single language that comprises a dialect cluster. There really isn't any debate on the issue. Sorabino refuses to recognize the importance of these other linguistic sources and overemphasizes the label "macrolanguage" used by ISO 639-3, which linguists in general ignore. I have cited major reliable linguistic sources (sources that are uniformly and universally respected by linguists) at Talk:Croatian and Talk:Chakavian already. If Sorabino continues to ignore the linguistic literature in his single-minded drive to push ISO 639-3 as the only source of interest to him, then I'll replicate the list here as well. Linguists do not treat Serbo-Croatian as a "macrolanguage" in the sense of a small family of languages. They uniformly treat Serbo-Croatian as a single pluricentric language with three to five dialects (depending on how they treat Chakavian, Kajkavian, and Montenegrin). My sentence about ISO 639-3 was a compromise to mollify Sorabino, but if he insists on pushing the "multiple languages" narrative, then I will remove it because that is not the linguistic consensus among actual linguists in well-respected linguistic classifications. The reason that ISO 639-3 is not well-respected is simple: too many of its distinctions are based on political calculations and not solid rigorous linguistic ones. --Taivo (talk) 06:28, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
It seems that you are continuing to censure this article, suppressing relevant content, and deliberately misrepresenting sources. Your opposition to any mention of different linguistic views is totally unfounded in linguistics. You have no right to suppress different views, but there is no need for me to repeat myself. It would be quite enough to quote Encyclopedia Britannica, that states: "Serbo-Croatian language, term of convenience used to refer to the forms of speech employed by Serbs, Croats, and other South Slavic groups (such as Montenegrins and Bosniaks, as Muslim Bosnians are known. These forms of speech have often been termed “a language,” but they are also seen as separate languages: Serbian, Croatian, and in recent years also Bosnian and Montenegrin. Neither view is completely right or wrong; the concept “language” has multiple definitions, and the status of Serbo-Croatian will depend on the definition one adopts". There you have it, my friend. That is how encyclopedic articles are written, with scientific neutrality, presenting all views. But, since you have been disregarding the views of the entire linguistic team of ISO, I guess that you will disregard the Encyclopedia Britannica too. However, it is clear that there are opposite linguistic views on "Serbo-Croatian" and all those views should be represented in this article. I propose that we redefine the lead in accordance with Misplaced Pages guidelines, presenting all relevant views on this subject. Sorabino (talk) 09:43, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
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