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	As stated by ], you need to watch your WP:COI. Read WP:COI. It is not a good idea for you to edit the ] article. At all. And beyond WP:COI concerns, we go by what the ] state, not your "facts." That's just the way Misplaced Pages is. You shouldn't be text like "having sex with" as though you were simply found in the car with the boy. If you are stating that you were simply found in the car with the boy and no sex occurred, what WP:Reliable sources do you have for that? You removed the following: "''Although the death was ruled accidental and no one held responsible, Mary Kay often blamed herself as she promised to look after her brother, and was the first to report to her parents the boy was not breathing.''" , which consists four pages, states, "''On a warm August afternoon in 1973, the summer before Mary Katherine Schmitz started sixth grade, her little brother Phillip drowned in the pool behind the family's home in Corona del Mar's exclusive Spyglass Hill. 'There is no question that her brother's death, combined with other traumas Mary Kay suffered later, contributed to the tragedy of her life today,' says Dr. Julia Moore, the psychiatrist who evaluated the once-beloved Seattle teacher and diagnosed manic depression before she was jailed as a sex offender last November.''" I'll reword the text on this in the Misplaced Pages article. We can also use ] for the psychiatrist part. And as for the "While incarcerated for child rape in May 1999" part, you may not like the "child rape" part and/or you may feel that it's redundant, but the law clearly does not view your sexual interaction with Fualaau as having been legally consensual. ] (]) 07:06, 21 February 2019 (UTC)		As stated by ], you need to watch your WP:COI. Read WP:COI. It is not a good idea for you to edit the ] article. At all. And beyond WP:COI concerns, we go by what the ] state, not your "facts." That's just the way Misplaced Pages is. You shouldn't be text like "having sex with" as though you were simply found in the car with the boy. If you are stating that you were simply found in the car with the boy and no sex occurred, what WP:Reliable sources do you have for that? You removed the following: "''Although the death was ruled accidental and no one held responsible, Mary Kay often blamed herself as she promised to look after her brother, and was the first to report to her parents the boy was not breathing.''" , which consists four pages, states, "''On a warm August afternoon in 1973, the summer before Mary Katherine Schmitz started sixth grade, her little brother Phillip drowned in the pool behind the family's home in Corona del Mar's exclusive Spyglass Hill. 'There is no question that her brother's death, combined with other traumas Mary Kay suffered later, contributed to the tragedy of her life today,' says Dr. Julia Moore, the psychiatrist who evaluated the once-beloved Seattle teacher and diagnosed manic depression before she was jailed as a sex offender last November.''" I'll reword the text on this in the Misplaced Pages article. We can also use ] for the psychiatrist part. And as for the "While incarcerated for child rape in May 1999" part, you may not like the "child rape" part and/or you may feel that it's redundant, but the law clearly does not view your sexual interaction with Fualaau as having been legally consensual. ] (]) 07:06, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

			1) the LATimes article does not fit the reliable source definition, and I will elaborate on each point of reliable source definition if I need to, 2) Dr. Julia Moore was impeached by the State’s expert, and further, Julia Moore did not do a formal evaluation on me. Additionally the material is outdated by 20 years. Also, Julia Moore’s statement Is not specific and to the made up sensationalism of Warwick’s unverified words, Julia Moore only opinionated that my “brothers death, ..., contributed to the tragedy of my life today.” So no, you will not assume that Julia Moore’s opinion supports what Warwick wrote, unverified, essentially tabloid writing. And if Julia Moore is reference, then she should be referenced in the context that she existed. There were eight evaluations done back around 20 years ago, Judge Lau was privy to 5 of those, the other 3 were for civil cases. Julia Moore was not one of the eight evaluations completed, she admitted at the sentencing that she met me for approximately one hour, and it was an opinion, not a full evaluation with diagnostics given. Additionally Julia Moore was paid to give her words in front of the cameras there that day, an opinion, and so her words constitute as paid-for words of one person. And probably most important in referencing Julia Moore or anything from the public sentencing hearing that sentencing material, written or spoken, is not guided by the Rules of Evidence (as trial evidence and witnesses used do have to follow the Rules of Evidence, your legal consultants there at Misplaced Pages can verify that fact. What is relevant here in what I just wrote: so no, it would not be within Misplaced Pages reliable source or living person article to “reword the text” as you suggested. And regarding the term “child rape”, I didn’t plead guilty to “child rape”, I plead guilty to the three elements of a Washington State statute titled Rape of a Child in the second degree, so how about properly cite the statute and the elements I plead guilty to. 1) sexual intercourse happened, 2) he was between the ages of 12 and 14, 3) they were not married. Those are the three elements. And a direct link to the statute would be appropriate. You don’t get to subjectively turn a title of a statute into a verb, and tell me that that term simply means our sexual relationship wasn’t consensual, the term is without question inflammatory. To use the term once is inflammatory, to use it more than once in the article can be argued as deliberate abuses to your own rules. So cut it out with your telling me to just accept it. How about you review your own rules, and consult with the legal authorities you have there at Misplaced Pages, and also it is appropriate to include the term “strict liability statute”, the statute I plead guilty of is exactly that in the law, and it has to do with legal consensent. Additionally, I will argue that the legislative history on the choosing of the title Rape of a Child as the title for that statute should be public interest of highest value, and it should be referenced, the legislature specifically decided to insert the word rape into the title as a deterrrent for the behavior of sexual intercourse with those who cannnot legally consent, the legislator who supports the word use spoke specifically knowing those convicted under that title were not being accused of rape in any manner of intent or of customary meaning of the term, it was decided that the term would though serve as a deterrent value. Other states still title the same elements with Statutory Rape. And in some states it is titled Unlawful Sex With a Minor, other states title the same as Sexual Misconduct. And certain countries wouldn’t even have it as a crime code at all. You’re not doing any public interest service or educating the public on the law, it appears rather to be a tricky way to essentially name call, and it looks to be opinion and bandwagoning, rather than fact. I can say that objectively; I can say that simply by being versed on debate rules regarding presentation of facts with reliable sources, adding to that the debate rules regarding statements used that are defined as a known fallacy. See, I dont even have to read What Misplaced Pages is Not, nor do I have to read Reliable Sources, but I have, it’s all the same as court rules and debate rules. Also, I can successfully prove that some of your referencing with Reliable Sources is actual circular, yes, some of the referenced articles you’ve noted as a reliable source have taken their base information from Misplaced Pages. I’ve talked one on one with producers and Authors of articles and other pieces of writing, and I’ve directly asked, “where did you get that information?”, their answer, “Misplaced Pages”. Also, I’ve read in the Misplaced Pages rules for living people that you can’t reject a fact just because the reference costly and that extra care and scrutiny has to be given to facts regarding living people. The debating and rationalizing and commentary and discussions on editing debates that I’ve traced back so far, hundreds on this article of mine, I see very little care for the rules of Reliable Sources. And the more rules I read on Misplaced Pages, the more positive I am that Inhave every right and reason to stand my ground to see that the corrections Inam asking to be made on the facts be done, and expedited, and you can leave me out as “editor”, that part does not matter, I shouldn’t have to be the one to correct this article, you all have rules to follow, and always have had rules to follow. I appreciate the watching and stopping of flagrant hacking in as editing by those who deliberately chose to add derogatory remarks. Still I see hidden slipping in of subtle fallacy insertions, and some are backed by obvious activist group people. Also, I think Greg Olson has referenced his own book into this Misplaced Pages article, and he or someone said I took part in his book, I did not, and if he is saying I did, then he owes me some money for misrepresenting and using me in advertising, and for using my named Misplaced Pages article to advertise, sell. And finally, inresponse to the above note, Flyer22 Reborn, there is no legal source that said Vili and I were found having sex in a car, not then, not ever. The media entirely made that up. If you want me to get a copy of the police report from that night, I will, there wasn’t even a questionable or compromising position we were found in. You’re asking me to prove it, I don’t think I should have to prove it, the records are the proof, I’m putting this back on you, show me that your Reliable Source is actually reliable. I’m telling you, it can’t be a Reliable Source, because the statement if flatly false, there isn’t a possibility that your source is reliable. So why should I have to prove it, how about you prove that your source is reliable. We should start with that. Okay, I don’t really feel good talking like this, I’m just asking you to follow the rules, I’m not even asking to edit, but as long as I see false facts, I will edit. I want the fact there, relevant facts only, and backed by Reliable Sources, and I’ll be checking each source, and I’ll be checking each sources source, which is not even my job to do, but it is the source inserteter’s job. Those would be the particular extra steps and care an editor takes when editing and making statements of fact, placing things in context, consideration given to relevance of certain facts to even be in an article, considering the article is on a living person. So, I’m not shy to dialogue on any of this Flyer22 Reborn, please let me know if I misunderstood your message to me, or if you’d like some help with direction to where to acquire the reliable sources and to which presently there are circular. ] (]) 13:24, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

	== Mary Kay Letourneau ==		== Mary Kay Letourneau ==

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Welcome!

Welcome to Misplaced Pages, Smmary! I am SarekOfVulcan and have been editing Misplaced Pages for quite some time. Thank you for your contributions. I just wanted to say hi and welcome you to Misplaced Pages! If you have any questions check out Misplaced Pages:Questions, or feel free to leave me a message on my talk page or type {{helpme}} at the bottom of this page. I love to help new users, so don't be afraid to leave a message! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

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SarekOfVulcan (talk) 16:28, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Editing your article

Hi, Mary! For the moment, I'll assume that you are Mary Fualaau -- if you could substantiate that to WP:OTRS, as I suggested in my note to the IP editor, it would be most useful. One of the biggest problems with your previous edit was that you were editorializing in the article text with your corrections in brackets -- that's a big no-no here. If there's something inaccurate that isn't cited to a WP:Reliable source, just take it out altogether. If the RS that "supports" a statement got it wrong, replace it with one that got it right. If a negative statement that someone else put in that's accurate and properly cited, you may have to just grit your teeth and ignore it. You can always editorialize on your userpage about it. :-) Let me know if I can do anything else to help you get up to speed here.--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 16:34, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Hi SarekOfVulcan, several years ago you offered to help me with edits, I saw you wrote to leave you a message; I went to your page and couldn’t find where to leave a message. Recently I attempted to edit again, I took errors out, added verified facts, I’m not sure how to notate references. I wonder if there’s a video tutorial on how to edit. Also I was notified that I am under review for “conflict of interest”, have rules changed over the years, one editor Flyer told me it’s not a good idea for me to edit at all, and while I don’t really care to be the actual editor, I’m also not going to keep opening Misplaced Pages every so many years and see errors in facts, facts that previously were corrected by editors and properly referenced, then reverted back to errors. And I’ve read discussions between editors, eventually seems some correct editored are bullied down and just give up, well I saw this in a few discussions. I also wonder how references can be accepted when the so called “reliable source” isn’t corroborated itself, the quote or fact used, or the fact is used out of context, out of context in time, and/or general context skewing. In other words, statements made in media or by an individual are placed together in the Misplaced Pages article and with conjecture, showing an agenda brought to the article. I would have to study the discussions to see if it’s one person doing this over the years. That is quite time consuming, I started to go backwards through the edits to see if I could see that pattern, a tedious task. I’d rather just fight the present and get the article to bare bone facts. The one question I have, can the reliable sources be actual court documented? Or does Misplaced Pages rely on media and book/magazine published material only? Thank you, I hope you’ll be able to help me, or at least help me understand. Mary Smmary (talk) 09:06, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Is there a place here for attachments? Smmary (talk) 09:56, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Welcome

Welcome to Misplaced Pages!-- — Keithbob • Talk • 16:46, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Ebay?

Do you have a link for whatever is being sold on EBay that is Misplaced Pages based? That may violate the free content license and TOS. Ebay may take it down if the article for sale is not owned by the person selling it. --DHeyward (talk) 19:48, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

I was trying to attach you a screenshot of the EBAY item and the credit given to Misplaced Pages, even on the cover it has a big Misplaced Pages seal/award posted saying "High Quality Content by Misplaced Pages articles", while also on the cover citing parts of my Misplaced Pages article (as if facts), but actually incorrect facts that I attempted to correct today. You saw my edits were reversed (at least in part). Important to navigate to "Publisher Details" - and Misplaced Pages is named and credited as "Publisher": along with a synopsis of my Misplaced Pages article. On Ebay- search: "Mary Letourneau"- scroll down til you see a close up of female eyes with a royal blew face-mask, light green title "Mary Kay Letourneau" Frederick Miller, author.

Calling on Dheyward,Smmary I wrote more on this COI page but it won't save. I need a Misplaced Pages editor to work with me so there is no COI accusation. I am only asking for facts to be checked and citations to be added and/or faulty citations/references to be removed. I was careful not to add my opinion, although I did take opinion away from the article, which one example is that I appropriately added Strict Liability and took out the other link, since it was incorrect and bias link, at least it does not apply in the State of WA. My conviction was in WA, and is classified as a strict liability statute. If sexual abuse was intended in my charges, there are statutes/charges that the State could have added; those statutes were not added to my charges. Strict liability reference is factually correct and case specific correct. Re other editing: the age 12/13 "debate". There are news articles that printed age 12. The more reliable articles printed the correctly, age 13. In addition, he WAS a student of mine, but at the time of our "intimate" relationship, he was a FORMER student. That is a fact, and the citation can simply be the civil suit (which is already a citation), where Vili himself testified to his exact age at the time. RE other editing: I appreciate the discernment of editors who took my children's names out. Also the editors who knew to take private info about my parents out of the article. I tried to correct the facts but it still was too personal. I hope I can help further. --talk

Mary Kay Letourneau article and your WP:COI

As stated by SarekOfVulcan, you need to watch your WP:COI. Read WP:COI. It is not a good idea for you to edit the Mary Kay Letourneau article. At all. And beyond WP:COI concerns, we go by what the WP:Reliable sources state, not your "facts." That's just the way Misplaced Pages is. You shouldn't be removing text like "having sex with" as though you were simply found in the car with the boy. If you are stating that you were simply found in the car with the boy and no sex occurred, what WP:Reliable sources do you have for that? You removed the following: "Although the death was ruled accidental and no one held responsible, Mary Kay often blamed herself as she promised to look after her brother, and was the first to report to her parents the boy was not breathing." The source, which consists four pages, states, "On a warm August afternoon in 1973, the summer before Mary Katherine Schmitz started sixth grade, her little brother Phillip drowned in the pool behind the family's home in Corona del Mar's exclusive Spyglass Hill. 'There is no question that her brother's death, combined with other traumas Mary Kay suffered later, contributed to the tragedy of her life today,' says Dr. Julia Moore, the psychiatrist who evaluated the once-beloved Seattle teacher and diagnosed manic depression before she was jailed as a sex offender last November." I'll reword the text on this in the Misplaced Pages article. We can also use WP:In-text attribution for the psychiatrist part. And as for the "While incarcerated for child rape in May 1999" part, you may not like the "child rape" part and/or you may feel that it's redundant, but the law clearly does not view your sexual interaction with Fualaau as having been legally consensual. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 07:06, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

1) the LATimes article does not fit the reliable source definition, and I will elaborate on each point of reliable source definition if I need to, 2) Dr. Julia Moore was impeached by the State’s expert, and further, Julia Moore did not do a formal evaluation on me. Additionally the material is outdated by 20 years. Also, Julia Moore’s statement Is not specific and to the made up sensationalism of Warwick’s unverified words, Julia Moore only opinionated that my “brothers death, ..., contributed to the tragedy of my life today.” So no, you will not assume that Julia Moore’s opinion supports what Warwick wrote, unverified, essentially tabloid writing. And if Julia Moore is reference, then she should be referenced in the context that she existed. There were eight evaluations done back around 20 years ago, Judge Lau was privy to 5 of those, the other 3 were for civil cases. Julia Moore was not one of the eight evaluations completed, she admitted at the sentencing that she met me for approximately one hour, and it was an opinion, not a full evaluation with diagnostics given. Additionally Julia Moore was paid to give her words in front of the cameras there that day, an opinion, and so her words constitute as paid-for words of one person. And probably most important in referencing Julia Moore or anything from the public sentencing hearing that sentencing material, written or spoken, is not guided by the Rules of Evidence (as trial evidence and witnesses used do have to follow the Rules of Evidence, your legal consultants there at Misplaced Pages can verify that fact. What is relevant here in what I just wrote: so no, it would not be within Misplaced Pages reliable source or living person article to “reword the text” as you suggested. And regarding the term “child rape”, I didn’t plead guilty to “child rape”, I plead guilty to the three elements of a Washington State statute titled Rape of a Child in the second degree, so how about properly cite the statute and the elements I plead guilty to. 1) sexual intercourse happened, 2) he was between the ages of 12 and 14, 3) they were not married. Those are the three elements. And a direct link to the statute would be appropriate. You don’t get to subjectively turn a title of a statute into a verb, and tell me that that term simply means our sexual relationship wasn’t consensual, the term is without question inflammatory. To use the term once is inflammatory, to use it more than once in the article can be argued as deliberate abuses to your own rules. So cut it out with your telling me to just accept it. How about you review your own rules, and consult with the legal authorities you have there at Misplaced Pages, and also it is appropriate to include the term “strict liability statute”, the statute I plead guilty of is exactly that in the law, and it has to do with legal consensent. Additionally, I will argue that the legislative history on the choosing of the title Rape of a Child as the title for that statute should be public interest of highest value, and it should be referenced, the legislature specifically decided to insert the word rape into the title as a deterrrent for the behavior of sexual intercourse with those who cannnot legally consent, the legislator who supports the word use spoke specifically knowing those convicted under that title were not being accused of rape in any manner of intent or of customary meaning of the term, it was decided that the term would though serve as a deterrent value. Other states still title the same elements with Statutory Rape. And in some states it is titled Unlawful Sex With a Minor, other states title the same as Sexual Misconduct. And certain countries wouldn’t even have it as a crime code at all. You’re not doing any public interest service or educating the public on the law, it appears rather to be a tricky way to essentially name call, and it looks to be opinion and bandwagoning, rather than fact. I can say that objectively; I can say that simply by being versed on debate rules regarding presentation of facts with reliable sources, adding to that the debate rules regarding statements used that are defined as a known fallacy. See, I dont even have to read What Misplaced Pages is Not, nor do I have to read Reliable Sources, but I have, it’s all the same as court rules and debate rules. Also, I can successfully prove that some of your referencing with Reliable Sources is actual circular, yes, some of the referenced articles you’ve noted as a reliable source have taken their base information from Misplaced Pages. I’ve talked one on one with producers and Authors of articles and other pieces of writing, and I’ve directly asked, “where did you get that information?”, their answer, “Misplaced Pages”. Also, I’ve read in the Misplaced Pages rules for living people that you can’t reject a fact just because the reference costly and that extra care and scrutiny has to be given to facts regarding living people. The debating and rationalizing and commentary and discussions on editing debates that I’ve traced back so far, hundreds on this article of mine, I see very little care for the rules of Reliable Sources. And the more rules I read on Misplaced Pages, the more positive I am that Inhave every right and reason to stand my ground to see that the corrections Inam asking to be made on the facts be done, and expedited, and you can leave me out as “editor”, that part does not matter, I shouldn’t have to be the one to correct this article, you all have rules to follow, and always have had rules to follow. I appreciate the watching and stopping of flagrant hacking in as editing by those who deliberately chose to add derogatory remarks. Still I see hidden slipping in of subtle fallacy insertions, and some are backed by obvious activist group people. Also, I think Greg Olson has referenced his own book into this Misplaced Pages article, and he or someone said I took part in his book, I did not, and if he is saying I did, then he owes me some money for misrepresenting and using me in advertising, and for using my named Misplaced Pages article to advertise, sell. And finally, inresponse to the above note, Flyer22 Reborn, there is no legal source that said Vili and I were found having sex in a car, not then, not ever. The media entirely made that up. If you want me to get a copy of the police report from that night, I will, there wasn’t even a questionable or compromising position we were found in. You’re asking me to prove it, I don’t think I should have to prove it, the records are the proof, I’m putting this back on you, show me that your Reliable Source is actually reliable. I’m telling you, it can’t be a Reliable Source, because the statement if flatly false, there isn’t a possibility that your source is reliable. So why should I have to prove it, how about you prove that your source is reliable. We should start with that. Okay, I don’t really feel good talking like this, I’m just asking you to follow the rules, I’m not even asking to edit, but as long as I see false facts, I will edit. I want the fact there, relevant facts only, and backed by Reliable Sources, and I’ll be checking each source, and I’ll be checking each sources source, which is not even my job to do, but it is the source inserteter’s job. Those would be the particular extra steps and care an editor takes when editing and making statements of fact, placing things in context, consideration given to relevance of certain facts to even be in an article, considering the article is on a living person. So, I’m not shy to dialogue on any of this Flyer22 Reborn, please let me know if I misunderstood your message to me, or if you’d like some help with direction to where to acquire the reliable sources and to which presently there are circular. Smmary (talk) 13:24, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Mary Kay Letourneau

I’ll read, COI, and if I have to get help from someone within Misplaced Pages if I need to. I am only working here to help retain the integrity of the article, and by keeping the article to verified facts and without conjecture. You refer to “reliable sources”, and yet Misplaced Pages has used sources that themself are not cooroborated in a manner that would qualify as a “reliable source”. And I suggest actual government document sources be used as references, and that those government references themself not be from a time period of disputed facts, and if so, then named as that, “disputed at the time”, or placed in time context and named as “disputed”. Regarding “Fall from Spyglass Hill”, LA Times article, this article is not corroborated or backed up at all with reliable referencing. Additionally, Julia Moore psychiatrist was impeached as an expert witness, and yet you recommend using her words in conjunction to the Spyglass Hill article (not cooroborate to count as “reliable source”). So I’m certain that is not a solution that works to qualify keeping that section of my brother’s drowning in this article as relevant, except that it is part of my childhood history, one deceased sibling. To add, the details referenced to my brother’s death are flatly false, and I am telling you that, and if I should have to right now go into the media formally and bring attention to the continuation of false facts related to my brothers death, related to a family’s sacred history regarding the death of a sibling, and to being attention to how those false facts are being played out in Misplaced Pages as if verified, I really can not see that that should be necessary means to correct this in Misplaced Pages. The sources used in Misplaced Pages to verify are not reliable sources, and the statements in Misplaced Pages have caused harm. Oddly, it seems the way Misplaced Pages qualifies “reliable sources”, perhaps a press release I put out would be added to the Misplaced Pages article and referenced, my press release would then become a reference to the Misplaced Pages article. I’m not choosing a press release route of bringing attention to Misplaced Pages false facts, this bring into the media spotlight actually would defeat the purpose of keeping family death sacred in detail. Misplaced Pages relies on media though it seems as for their fact checking, so do I really need to create a media base of correction of facts? If I did do this, my experience has been that unless it is a direct press release of a formal statements, mainstream media sources themself skew, cut, edit and editorialized, and tabloid-like corroboration of whatever is put out, and especially in my situation in the media spotlight where it involves sex, among other activist running topics that my life history, legal case, is used for in and by the media. I am only working here to keep the article clean, facts only. I don’t mind discussions on my situation in conflict with the law, and but those discussion should be based on the facts only, and then the discussions can be productive, and yet Misplaced Pages is not the platform for for those discussions, Misplaced Pages though should though be a base of reliable facts so that good discussion can come from. I have replaced word us in places, and such as “child rape”, I have replaced it properly with the title of the statues that I plead guilty to, I don’t see that as not following correct editing, nor should there need to be a reference there in those spots, our statutes here in Washington are self verified, it is what it is. If the specific code needs be named and linked to our RCW, then okay. And with regard to the car incident of violating the conditions of release on my sentence, there is ablsolutely no place in any document from the police that sated Vili and I we cought having sex in a vehicle, nor was there any indication that we had sex in a vehicle, that vehicle or any vehicle. The facts are clear and undisputed by the State, and yet media wished to sensationalize that incident, and because that is what they do, sensationalize and add false material for selling purposes. Yet to the State, law enforcement, where the facts are known, Law enforcement did not put out anything but the facts, and the facts are as simple as I corrected this article to contain, “they found in a car parked in front of the residence where Mary resided”. The details can be reference from tha actual records themself. And what details from that incident are deemed to be appropriately placed in Misplaced Pages should be without agenda leading conjecture. The officer who came to the car was forthright in his testimony at the hearing and he did not state anything but the facts, the truth, those records are available, and would count as the only “reliable source”. I can go further on helping correct conjecture and misplaced information in this Misplaced Pages article. I don’t consider Misplaced Pages to be a platform for activists to insert their opinions with out of context unreliable fact referencing. And that is what I see in this article. I intent to bring this article clean and as a base of facts, stated in context. You can allow me to assist, and although I am the subject of the article, I have worked in the legal field for 15 years, and I know well what is considered a reliable source and substantiated properly. True I am not familiar with the specifics of how to edit here in Misplaced Pages, I apologize for that, it’s just that over the years the Misplaced Pages article has caused harm to my family due to presentation of material that purports as “fact”, and at closer look, the articles relied on are skewed on facts and not cooroborated. I consider it neglect and in places clear insertion of conjecture, agenda based leading, not fact. If you look closely at my edits, you can see I am not taking facts out, I am naming facts properly in context, facts that are undisputed. Smmary (talk) 18:01, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

Mary Kay Letourneau article edits

Notice of Conflict of interest noticeboard discussion

There is currently a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard regarding a possible conflict of interest incident with which you may be involved. Thank you. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 15:14, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

I received your message about present reviewing status.

Regardless, I hope you read my concerns, and I can be available to assist someone else with proper resources/references. With regard to conflict of interest, I have seen conflict of interest myself in the editing history, by and from others, activist groups using my name, and inserting references that tie to their cause, and also with regard to author, Greg Olson, advertising on my page, and with claims I was involved in authoring his book, I was not. Additionally, years ago I reported to publishing company a book Mass With Mary, as fraud, and I see it referenced in this article. Further, the book supposedly publised in France, has had a legal injunction on it since two month past it’s original publishing in France, December 1998 legal injunction, the reason the book was released to the U.S. is because it was fraud. We could not retrieve books that had already sold in Europe, the book though was published in fraud, it is not mine and Vili’s authorship, although it was supposed to be, the actual initial published book is not our authorship, and injunction placed on its distribution, and a book of our authorship has not ever been published. Your references to that Laffont Publishing company book in Misplaced Pages are misleading, without context, missing information, and harmful. I am here to help, and the references I can provide to you are solid, I am just not familiar with your editing formatting. I suggest as a solution that someone there work with me on references, check out the references yourself, and do the editing properly and without conflict of interest interfere if with correcting his article. Smmary (talk) 21:00, 23 February 2019 (UTC)