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West Coast Railway Company

Do you have a reference for this? Mjroots (talk) 16:20, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

Please, no bare urls. You've been around long enough to have learnt how to cite a webpage using {{cite web}}. In case you haven't, see WP:REFBEGIN. Mjroots (talk) 18:32, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

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Hi, please don't add image galleries, as you did here - see WP:IG. All of these images are in c:Category:LMS Royal Scot Class 6100 Royal Scot, which is accessible through the {{commonscat}} that is present on the page, and through which they - and several more images - may be found. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:20, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

The photos in the gallery for the Royal Scot page of her attacking Shap, Ravenglass, and on the cumbrian coast including the photo of her at Crewe are all my own work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moylesy98 (talk • contribs) 20:46, 24 April 2016

I'm not questioning who took the photos (they are hosted on Commons, so if there is an issue with ownership, it is a matter for Commons, not Misplaced Pages); what I am saying is that your gallery goes against WP:IG. Also, please see WP:NOTREPOSITORY. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:09, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

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The information that I added was the truth as it's what happened to her after she was overhauled and with regard to her debut railtour in February 2016 I witnessed that event, is this proof enough for you so please stop deleting this information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moylesy98 (talk • contribs) 00:12, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

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With regard to the information there is proof that Royal Scot worked her inaugural railtour on Sat 6 February as the main photograph used for the article shows her after returning to Crewe with that exact railtour and being one of my own shots that photo is NOT to be deleted from the royal scot article. There is also details of her test runs on the icons of steam website so if I include the link for this please don't go deleting this again. http://www.iconsofsteam.com/locos/royal-scot/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moylesy98 (talk • contribs) 11:24, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

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There is WP:NORUSH to include up-to-the-second information in articles. Facebook and Twitter are only useable in limited circumstances. Journals such as Heritage Railway and Steam Railway are going to cover the steaming on Clun Castle and are much better sources to use. Just slow down a bit. Mjroots (talk) 19:22, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

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I Did add a reliable source to 6201's movement to Carnforth and 45690 is at the ELR presently. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moylesy98 (talk • contribs) 11:40, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

Please see Misplaced Pages:Identifying reliable sources it might help you avoid having your edits reverted in future.SovalValtos (talk) 12:26, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

There was a reliable source to 6201's owning group about her move north now stop editing the info back to what it was as it is f*cking genuine. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moylesy98 (talk • contribs) 12:43, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

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• You've been here more than long enough by now to know what a WP:RS is. There is WP:NORUSH to get absolute, up-to-the-minute information onto Misplaced Pages, even if it is true. Wait for it to be reported by reliable sources and then quote those sources. I can see you getting blocked before long, not all admins are as patient as I am, nor as lenient. Mjroots (talk) 18:22, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

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Blocked 3 days for adding unreferenced material, edit warring and exhausting my patience. Mjroots (talk) 18:21, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

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Iv been posting links to information including that of 71000 meaning it's genuine info and not made up. Alongside this references have been given to other pages too

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This and this introduce uncited information, even though you know it's your responsibility to provide the citation. You've engaged in edit warring on BR Standard Class 7 to put your inappropriate information on that page. The block looks appropriate. Yamla (talk) 11:25, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

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On the article LMS Stanier Class 5 4-6-0 5407 in this edit you removed the citation request for there being an overhaul in 2010 without providing a citation. Please could you provide your reason, which you did not do in your edit summary, saying instead that you had "Updated info"?

In this edit you reverted the edit removing a gallery for which the edit summary gave the reason that its inclusion was against WP:Image use policy. On replacement of the gallery no title for the gallery was included and no theme was apparent. Please could you revert your replacement of the gallery? — Preceding unsigned comment added by SovalValtos (talk • contribs) 06:42, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

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Per WP:ENGAGE, it would be appreciated if you contributed to the discussion at ANI. It might not feel like it, but I am trying to help you here, and prevent you from ending up indefinitely blocked, which is what is likely to happen if you carry on editing in the same way that you have done in the past. So please come to ANI, respond to the points raised and the proposed remedy. Mjroots (talk) 05:57, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

The thread concerned is Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#User:Moylesy98. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 09:14, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

Referencing

I note you've started to add references to additions, thank you. A bare url is better than nothing, but they really need to be formatted. {{cite web}} is used for websites. At a minimum, four parameters are neeed - url, title, publisher and accessdate. Other parameters may be added as appropriate. So use <ref name=>{{cite web |url= |title= |publisher= |accessdate= }}</ref> as a starter, filling in the fields and giving the reference a name. Further info at WP:REFB. Mjroots (talk) 06:29, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

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Please stop adding unsourced content. This contravenes Misplaced Pages's policy on verifiability. If you continue to do so, you may be blocked from editing Misplaced Pages. You have been asked before to use reliable sources. Blogs and photos are not such.SovalValtos (talk) 20:20, 26 April 2018 (UTC) SovalValtos (talk) 20:20, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

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Please don't add new build engines - which haven't even been finished yet - to lists of historical engines. Your understanding of this basic principle of history is appreciated. Tony May (talk) 13:57, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

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Edit warring at LMS Stanier Class 5 4-6-0 4767

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You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on West Coast Railways; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

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Embedded links

Please revert your addition of embedded links in West Coast Railways.SovalValtos (talk) 00:00, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

I have reverted your most recent addition of misplaced external links. Please read WP:external links. --David Biddulph (talk) 08:27, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

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Edit warring at LMS Stanier Class 5 4-6-0 4767

The full report is at the edit warring noticeboard. Though you have made some helpful edits to our locomotive articles, people sometimes disagree and you are expected to negotiate when that happens. (You almost never post on talk pages). Removing redlinks simply for the reason they are redlinks is against our policies. That kind of thing needs a discussion. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 18:17, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Please try to justify your continued edit warring by unexplained removal of a redlink to a WP:Notable topic in West Coast Railways.SovalValtos (talk) 20:47, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

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Do I have this right? You'd prefer to delete what's there now and restore Moylesy's "Under Construction" page, as if this was Geocities twenty years ago?

Do you have anything useful to add, or else I'd question just WTF you are doing here. BTW - editing other user's user subspace usually needs a damned good reason and a belief that you're welcome there. You are not. Andy Dingley (talk) 19:01, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

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In this edit on the West Coast Railways article I removed unsourced material about owners per WP:V. You have replaced them with this edit without providing a source, including in your edit summary "There is no page in existance for David Smith and no references over the web. The locos without names are owned by David Smith of WCR", which seems to be an admission that it is your WP:OR. Please clarify your justification for the replacement, or remove the unsourced material.SovalValtos (talk) 16:39, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

Moylesy98, are you listening to anything that is being said? In this revert you made at West Coast Railways you admit in the edit summary that you have no source that these engines belong to David Smith, but you want to insert that claim anyway. ("There is no page in existance for David Smith and no references over the web. The locos without names are owned by David Smith of WCR.") If you continue to go against WP:Verifiability an administrator may feel they have no choice about giving you a long term block. Remember that offline references (newspapers, books) can be used to prove David Smith's ownership if you have them but they must be cited in the article. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 17:45, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you disrupt Misplaced Pages, as you did at West Coast Railways. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 23:26, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

In this edit you have said "With regard to other locos said to be owned by a private owner is a little bit difficult to reference seeing as no pages exist." Nevertheless you have blithely insisted on replacing unsourced material concerning ownership. Have you ever tried to read WP:V and understand what the policy requires of you if you want to edit Misplaced Pages? One way or another, I hope this is the last time anyone has to post on your talk page concerning this subject.SovalValtos (talk) 01:50, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

Your responses suggest you are still not willing to follow our policy on WP:Reliable sources. You've been reverting others when they take out the ownership claims that don't have a source. 'Private Owner' is not an actual person, and you are not even providing a source that there is a private owner. EdJohnston (talk) 02:50, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

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This is your only warning; if you remove or blank page contents or templates from Misplaced Pages again, as you did at West Coast Railways, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. SovalValtos (talk) 14:02, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

• More continued edit warring on the same article. EdJohnston, any suggestions? And what do you make of this? Were they trying to impersonate another editor, or was this some strange accident? Drmies (talk) 16:21, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

Hey Drmies. I don't think that Moylesy98's post at AIV, trying to complain about SovalValtos, was an attempt to impersonate. It's just another example of him never managing to sign his name on talk pages. But overall, I think we are getting into long-block territory due to the refusal to learn. EdJohnston (talk) 16:54, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

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Request reason:

Iv been falsely blocked by someone who cant learn to accept genuine information from genuine sources, including an article relating to 45212 as a genuine link regarding the engines return to the KWVR was added and once again people have falsely blocked me. I therefore ask that this block is lifted as iv done nothing wrong and was just passing on genuine info from other sources. The block therefore wasnt neccesary and has been falsely placed on myself. This user who placed the block has also got no relation to the article that was being worked on so therefore has falsely blocked my account.Moylesy98 (talk) 16:26, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

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It would be completely proper and desirable for someone uninvolved in the article or dispute to block you; if the blocking admin was involved, it would be a violation of WP:INVOLVED. Looking at your edits, you did indeed edit war. Your unblock request does not address this, and attempts to shift the blame, so I am declining it. Please read WP:GAB to learn about how to make a proper unblock request, ,and if you make another it should be focused on your own behavior and not that of others. 331dot (talk) 17:09, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

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Hello, I'm Andy Dingley. I noticed that you added or changed content in an article, GWR_4073_Class, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so. If you need guidance on referencing, please see the referencing for beginners tutorial, or if you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=GWR_4073_Class&curid=255611&diff=884087230&oldid=876401946

That's still unsourced. You can't claim that an old link (now dead) is supporting this changed content. Andy Dingley (talk) 14:19, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

its it's

Please check your proposed edits for the correct use of its and it's. When you make edits such as you are making unnecessary work for others. Best wishes.SovalValtos (talk) 11:22, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Please do not persist in using its or it's incorrectly as you have done again in this edit and despite being advised that you were wrong you have replaced twice and . If there is some reason that makes it difficult for you to write in English you could request an edit at the article's talk, giving the source for you desired change.SovalValtos (talk) 04:42, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

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It's not a good idea

We have two articles; LMS Royal Scot Class and LMS Rebuilt Royal Scot Class, there is no need to get them mixed up. Nor is it a good idea to deliberately put back bad photos when we have a good one. Also it's = it is, its = singular neuter possessive.

And also, punctuation. Tony May (talk) 14:02, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Quote:

There is nothing wrong with the photo of 46115 in Carlisle, as it's a more recent photograph of the engine at work on railtours compared to that shot youve added from 2009. And that photo of 46115 which your claiming is terrible is infact one of my own photographs, so id advise ya dont slag me off for my photo work. Photos have to be kept updated every few years with more recent shots and its the same story with the jubilees as a shot of Leander in crimson is out of date as the engine no longer wears that livery. Unless theres a more recent photo of 46115 do not change it to an old one as the more recent shot must remain as was, also stop deleting info on classmembers .

The photo is a nice snapshot and your grammar is worse than your photography, but it's not technically the best photo. Tony May (talk) 14:11, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Since you've mentioned it, I've had a look at some of your photos for you. If you pay attention to good composition and exposure techniques, you have the potential to become a better photographer. By and large your main problem is (1) composition - putting the subject in the middle of the frame (see rule of thirds and (2) composition - allowing stuff (trees, walls, etc) to get between you and the subject.

• Composition wtf?
• shutter speed too slow! You need 1/500 at least.
• horrible shadow across the subject which is in the middle of the frame
• overexposed mess
• Composition - subject in the middle of the frame
• Distracting snowstorm
• Overexposed sky, odd composition
• A mess of nonsense in front of your subject.
• It's mostly a tree!
• subject in the middle

It would help if you didn't clutter Wikimedia commons with images which are not up to appropriate standards.Tony May (talk) 14:32, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

|||==My photographs== Iv been putting my back out for years taking those photographs and without some of those there wouldnt be any photos on certain articles, with the shot of 5972 that couldnt be helped as the sun was facing to east hence the shadow across the engine. The shot of the scot attacking Shap was taken over 4-5 years ago and id not had the camera that long when it was taken so dont slag me off for that. The nameplate of Glasgow Highlander was taken when we had an amber weather warning so couldnt be helped and there are no other shots in existance on wiki which show 45407 in that identity. The nameplate shot of BIL is better than nothing as again there are no other nameplate photos of the engine up.

If you think you have better photos why dont you upload some of yours to Wiki then, I doubt you have though. But keep your disgusting thoughts about my work to yourself as it isnt welcomed here.

Again - punctuation and apostrophes. Is the apostrophe button not actually working on your computer?

I'm not "slagging you off" - I'm pointing out technical deficiencies in your photography skills, which you might improve upon if you listen to advice and show even a modicum of self-criticality. The same goes for your English.

Yes, I have experience of railway photography. Enough to know about things like composition, shutter speed, ISO, etc. As does Phil, whose photo I've used.

This is Misplaced Pages. It is not called "Wiki".

Finally, Please stop edit warring, I'll just have to really be a dick to you and you'll get blocked for edit warring for the umpteenth time. Tony May (talk) 01:58, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

• This is a photo of... nothing in particular.
• Yes, take photos of the crowds, though this is not really of them nor of the engine, which is placed too centrally. Also, sky overexposure.
• subject in the middle, overexposure...
• Overexposed sky, and top of firebox.
• Taken from the side in shadow;
• meh
• Subject in the middle of the frame, exposure problems from bright sky, subject in shadow.
• The sky is overexposed in this one but it is illustrative and should be used in the article.
• Much much better composition, though the shutter speed is too slow and the image isn't sharp, probably from camera shake and movement, and there's no sun.

Exposure (again)

You see this?

Can't you see that you're shooting at mid-day into the sun, leading to both (1) a massive overexposed sky in the right top of the picture and (2) shadows on the underframe. Don't take photos into the sun, particularly with a digital camera.

My aim is to get the best photo that is (1) illustrative and (2) technically competent into the photo. Sometimes there's a compromise between the two.

Your aim appears to get your photos into the articles, despite their lacking any technical competence whatsoever.

Oh and Dave, please remember to sign your name with four squiggles. Tony May (talk) 02:08, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

"Slagging off"

Again - I'm not "slagging you off" - that's a personal attack from you on me. I'm trying to get good, useful photos into the articles. If you were to take any such photos, I'm sure we'd be happy to include them. However, if there are better photos, they will be relegated out of the article. I think I've demonstrated my point above. Ideally I would delete the poor ones from the Commons as well. It is straightforward to get composition and exposure right; such as the small selection below:

Phil knows what he's doing - give him credit for that. I'd much prefer you learnt and developed into a competent photographer, like Phil.Tony May (talk) 03:23, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

March 2019

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Which photo do you think is better?

OK Dave,

Please understand it's nothing personal. If we didn't have any better images, we could use yours. I think that's fair to you, isn't it? You can't just put your photograph in the article like you WP:OWN it, and you

Here's your chance. Can you explain to me which of these is the best (i.e. most illustrative) and why? Some of these are great, some are just so-so OK. Please try to use some use technical such as "composition", "lighting" and "exposure" in your answer:

Perhaps you would like to have a look at some elementary photography videos on Youtube?

Tony May (talk) 00:03, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

Authorship of the photographs is irrelevant. I'm only concerned about good quality images. I fear you are revealing your own desire to see your own photographs. But we've yet to establish that you know anything about photography (I'm actually pretty convinced you know ansobulutely nothing). Oh, and it is Conway Valley Line - this is the name, in English, in the original Act of Parliament that authorised its construction. Tony May (talk) 00:19, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

Once yet again Dave...

Please stop trying to insert your own poor quality photographs into articles where better quality photographs are available.

These are not your articles to insert your technically poor photos into. You complain I'm "making you look like a shit photographer" (your words). - Firstly I don't need to make you look like a "shit photographer" - you're managing that all by yourself on Flickr. Secondly, not putting your bad photos in Misplaced Pages is going to hide your photography anyway, so no-one will realise your lack of ability.

I have selected photos based on illustrative and technical merit. These come from a selection of photographers on Flickr who have made their contributions available under licence. There are not that many active photographers who licence their image however, but the main ones are Phil Sangwell, Andrew, Hugh Llewellyn, and a few others. I care not who.

Please don't warn me about "having to take action" - you're the one who keeps getting blocked for edit warring - please discuss on the talk page where necessary. Please make reference to the illustrative value of your desired images. Tony May (talk) 00:38, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

I'd say that comment was a bit strong, but then I looked at the Flickr content. I've got photos like that; I don't publish them.

As to this though, I was just about to revert it but Tony beat me to it. I don't see why a preserved line (and I can't even tell) is a problem, but not being three-quarter view, having a platform in the way and being poorly lit certainly is – especially for an article on the loco, rather than some broader scope. Andy Dingley (talk) 01:01, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

Thanks Andy Dingley - it was a bit strong, and I really don't want to hurt Dave's feelings, and I do understand that this is a bit of a sensitive subject for him. I'm not picking on Dave - he's not the first person to point a phone in the general direction of a train, auto settings, click, job done. I've seen experienced and otherwise talented photographers adept at other genres take really bad railway photos. But not upsetting someone isn't a criteria for photograph selection. Additionally, I have removed other poor photographs. It's just that Dave's photos are a particular problem because he keeps inserting them into articles, and then reacts angrily when they are replaced.Tony May (talk) 01:26, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

"STOP REMOVING MY F*CKING IMAGES"

Dave,

• Edit warring isn't helpful.
• Being rude isn't helpful
• Both will get you blocked.
• Again.

Please provide justifications on the talk page why you think "my images" should be included. And I promise I'll listen to content-based arguments and what others have to say. Tony May (talk) 04:57, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

Please stop edit warring and discuss

The talk pages are there for a reason. Tony May (talk) 16:39, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

The photos I had for 76084 and Galatea were much better quality than any other stuff that was on[REDACTED] as it was all either blury or out of focus. The shot of 76084 was also a more recent photograph from 2016 unlike the shot of it at the ELR which is much older. Some articles like the one for the patriot dont have any other photos showing the engine in its present state, the saint hasnt even got a photo up and the reason why iv not uploaded one is because I havent seen that or the newbuild county no 1014. The grange meanwhile doesnt have a recent photo other than one at Llan in 2015. Leander meanwhile there's no decent images of her in BR black other than one from behind the engine at Carlisle as they are all in LMS identity.

The photograph of Kolhapur in Southport which you or someone else has nominated for deletion was taken by my father and iv had permission to use it, also this was took well before digital cameras were even invented so how do you expect them to be of a quality like what we have got now. The photo of 46100 at night was a decent shot yet that has too been replaced and you have left the LMS crimson photo of her which isnt even a direct shot or a decent quality image. The photo of 48151 was a decent shot but you have removed it from the article so its only now on the WCR page. Iv only got a handful of photographs in articles left now thanks to you and others, just leave a number of mine as the article photo for god sake as you are taking the piss replacing them with photos from someone else which you have then uploaded. Moylesy98 (talk) 17:50, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

If you think image quality was inferior before digital it shows how much you know. You need to work with other editors instead of battling them, or you are likely to end up blocked.Charles (talk) 23:39, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

Well quite User:Charlesdrakew - I think one of the big problems here is that Dave doesn't understand photography. Obviously technology has improved with time, but it's essential that the photographer understands how to use his technology to produce art.

Thanks for your response Dave. It is better than edit warring. I agree that there are other photos on Misplaced Pages that are of dubious quality, both technically and illustratively. I also accept the rarity of older images behoves use to accept ones that are technically imperfect. I have tried to make the point to you repeatedly before that this isn't personal. I think a better place to discuss this would be on the talk pages of the respective articles. It's a bit difficult to keep track of all of them. In some cases your images might be suitable for inclusion, at least until better ones become available. Tony May (talk) 23:55, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

• These: are just simple edit-warring. There are too many discussions about you open already, so I'm not starting another one, but this sort of behaviour will end in a block for you. Andy Dingley (talk) 18:18, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

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• Blocked for 2 weeks. This is not the first time you've been blocked for edit warring. Should further blocks be needed, they will be much longer. Mjroots (talk) 20:05, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

Sockpuppet investigation

An editor has opened an investigation into sockpuppetry by you. Sockpuppetry is the use of more than one Misplaced Pages account in a manner that contravenes community policy. The investigation is being held at Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Moylesy98, where the editor who opened the investigation has presented their evidence. Please make sure you make yourself familiar with the guide to responding to investigations, and then feel free to offer your own evidence or to submit comments that you wish to be considered by the Misplaced Pages administrator who decides the result of the investigation. If you have been using multiple accounts (in a manner contrary to Misplaced Pages policy), please go to the investigation page and verify that now. Leniency is usually shown to those who promise not to do so again, or who did so unwittingly, but the abuse of multiple accounts is taken very seriously by the Misplaced Pages community.

Andy Dingley (talk) 00:30, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

• As you're blocked, you can't comment on that SPI. However I will be happy to copy across any reasonable comments you want to make here, per WP:EVADE.

If this was your sockpuppet, then I suggest that you revert its edits, admit to it, and agree not to do that again forthwith (and I would hope the matter can then be dropped quietly as a mistake). If it's not you, then please say so (we know that this does sometimes happen, as it's a good way to blacken the name of another editor). However WP:CHECKUSER often fails to identify socks, but rarely gives a false positive. Andy Dingley (talk) 00:38, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

BTW, I'm glad to see that this wasn't your sockpuppet. Thanks for not going there. Andy Dingley (talk) 10:57, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

March 2019

Hello. This is a message to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions, such as the edit you made to BR Standard Class 4 2-6-0 76084, did not appear constructive and has been reverted. Please take some time to familiarise yourself with our policies and guidelines. You can find information about these at our welcome page which also provides further information about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. If you only meant to make test edits, please use the sandbox for that. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you may leave a message on my talk page. Please use the talk page rather than edit warring. Please read WP:GALLERY Please do not insert what you have described as your own "F*CKING IMAGES" against consensus SovalValtos (talk) 03:30, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

You've just returned after a block for edit-warring, and your first reaction is an immediate reversion of just those same changes. See LMS Royal Scot Class 6100 Royal Scot for just one example, but Contribs today shows a bunch more.

These are exactly the changes which had you blocked. You have made no reason for repeating them. Comments like, "Deliberate removal of image owing to jealousy" and "Reinstatement following removal by a spammer" are obvious and ridiculous attacks on another editor, rather than any justification for the change. If this goes back to WP:ANEW then it will be another immediate, and longer, block. What are you going to do instead? Options such as, "Adding better photos to articles, per the guidelines for them already discussed on various talk: and project pages, regardless of who took the photo." would be welcome. But "I want my photos there, even if they're either not good or not appropriate (for reasons we've already discussed) and anyone who disagrees is a spammer" – that's just leading to a long block. Andy Dingley (talk) 10:55, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

The problem specifically is that most of the photos you have taken, which you shouldn't think of them as your any more since they've effectively been donated to the WMF, aren't better than alternatives. Tony May (talk) 14:41, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

I disagree that "donated to the WMF" is accurate. Moylesy98 remains the copyright holder, they have simply agreed to licence the images under a free licence. The terms of this licence requires attribution and this attribution ultimately points to Moylesy98 as the creator (and copyright holder). As the copyright holder, Moylesy98 remains free to licence these images separately. This would include allowing commercial use or derivatives without having to abide by the terms of the CC licence. The WMF actually has no real involvement here. In the event someone were to violate the terms of Moylesy98's licence, there's a fair chance any attempt by the WMF to independently sue for the violation of the licence would fail since they are simply the repository for the content and not the "owner" in any meaningful way. This issue is ultimately not greatly relevant to the dispute, except that while edit warring to preserve your preferred version is bad, many in the community tend to view it even more poorly when it's being done (and by Moylesy98's admission this is the case) because the editor wants their own work to be shown. While it's far worse when there's a clear commercial motive for it, ultimately even spam even without a commercial motive is generally viewed poorly. It also means Moylesy98 should take a step back, even if the WMF now owning the work was accurate, it's clear that they as the creator have an understandable WP:COI in preferring this work which means it's difficult for them to be objective. Nil Einne (talk) 03:34, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on LMS Royal Scot Class 6100 Royal Scot; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Points to note:

1. Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;
2. Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes and work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 19:01, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

• Time for a very long block.

Other than it's your photo and you like to get your own photos included, how can you possibly justify edit-warring to replace the left-hand photo with the right-hand one? Andy Dingley (talk) 00:20, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Difficulties

I am aware that you have been editing now for five years but still see that using English and communicating may be problematic for you. Hoping that as you matured from a young editor things would become easier for you WP:CIA you have been given latitude albeit interspersed by blocks. Is there anything you might want to say about WP:CIR, particularly are there areas where other editors could help??SovalValtos (talk) 01:42, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

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There is currently a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is User:Moylesy98. --Mjroots (talk) 13:29, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

As you are blocked, you may use this talk page to make any comments and they will be copied over to ANI. It is important that you participate, as that is your best chance to get unblocked. Mjroots (talk) 13:51, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

April 2019

Moylesy98 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

I was only wanting some of my photos to be featured in articles as until a certain user came about people were happy with my images being used in the article but they believe my images are poor and are using another persons images from flickr instead of uploading their own. They obviously want my images removed from every single article on the site when I want to have at least one in an article and they are claiming im in the wrong and are removing them.

Decline reason:

Per User:Andy Dingley's explanation below Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 09:04, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

I can't do anything about your block. However to address some of the points you raise (they don't affect this immediate block directly, but they do deserve to be addressed.)

I was only wanting some of my photos to be featured in articles

That (within WP's policies) is not a good or valid reason. We're not against it, but we choose on the basis of what's best for the article, not self-promotion.

as until a certain user came about

Making this personal will not help your case. Also I really don't know which editor you mean. TonyMay is the most recent you seem to have annoyed, but Redrose64 goes back a long way with very similar issues and I'm not happy either.

people were happy with my images being used in the article

Absence of a clear complaint is not an expression of support. I'd not looked in detail before, but once my attention was drawn to it, I'm agreeing with TonyMay. Many of these images have either real problems, don't add anything, or would be better with another image we have available.

but they believe my images are poor

There are many of your images here which are either poor, or if not "aesthetically poor" certainly aren't helping an encyclopedic goal as much as other, available photographs could.

and are using another persons images from flickr instead of uploading their own.

That is entirely permissible, by the licensing on Flickr (or wherever). There is no requirement for WP editors to only add their own, or to upload any of their own.

They obviously want my images removed from every single article on the site

No-one is advocating this. Just images that are not the best for the article, of these we have access to.

when I want to have at least one in an article

That is not a policy which WP recognises. If you want self-publication, get a blog.

and they are claiming im in the wrong and are removing them.

See WP:CONSENSUS for just one issue about how we work. There are some objective reasons (given above) as to why we shouldn't use yours, and the consensus of others here is certainly to not use them.

Andy Dingley (talk) 23:20, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

I can take administrative action here, but I won't. Pretty sure I've said this before. The only criterion an image is judged on is quality. It doesn't matter who took the photo. It's great that you take photos and upload them to Commons. If an image of yours is added to an article by another editor, consider it a bonus. Adding an image to an article is fine per WP:BRD, but once challenged, the D part kicks in.

Please take the opportunity to respond to the issue raised at ANI. Mjroots (talk) 06:10, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

I disagree with you, user:Mjroots eabout "it's great that you take photos and upload them to commons." The problem with Commons is they have absolutely zero quality control. They will literally take any unillustrative, poorly composed, overexposed, or underexposed mess. Meanwhile, Misplaced Pages articles have a link "go to look at photos on commons" - but a good deal of the photos there are complete and utter garbage. They have a "quality images" programme, but bizarrely only apply that to Commons-user-created photos, arbitrarily excluding others. So it's not great for users such as Dave to upload awful photographs to Commons, which they do because they lack awareness, because by association it negatively affects Misplaced Pages articles, but that's mainly Commons problem, which they refuse to deal with. Meanwhile, Misplaced Pages does have quality control, which means that rubbish that gets uploaded to the commons should be ignored. Tony May (talk) 03:05, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

@Tony May: You say They have a "quality images" programme, but bizarrely only apply that to Commons-user-created photos, arbitrarily excluding others. What is a "Commons-user-created photo"? --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 19:14, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

"Quality Images" at Commons need to be the work of Commons users (i.e. the work of the uploader, rather than random images created by other people that are imported from an external source such as Flickr). Black Kite (talk) 20:12, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

I don't think there is a great deal of danger that many of Dave's pictures would be accepted as "quality images", although they meet one of the criteria by being created by a Commons user, but I'd rather he didn't, simply because he has no understanding of photography, and any quality is merely accidental. Commons attitude to images strongly resembles compulsive hoarding, with all of the negative consequences. Tony May (talk) 03:29, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Tony May I do not see the relevance of your hobbyhorse concerning commons inclusion policy for what is at issue here. I would rather not see negative criticism of other's photography and I value quality for Misplaced Pages even if arrived at accidentally. I see potential value in his images and am grateful for the uploads.SovalValtos (talk) 06:13, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

@Tony May: If your calling my images crap where are your own images if you think your so much better. You say it should only be for those who are commons users all you have done is upload other peoples images rather than your own. Saying you'd rather I didnt upload is deffiately a good sign that you are a cyber bully, you should be facing a blocking by other users rather than me.Moylesy98 (talk) 11:31, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

@SovalValtos: This Tony May lad is coming off as a cyber bully and should be the one that facing a permanent block rather than me as he is acting in an unacceptable manner. He is criticising me for my images while many other people have praised me for my work and they were happy for my images to be used until he came along. Yet he thinks its ok to use other peoples images off Flickr when he clearly said the work needs to belong to the original creator rather than off Flickr which he clearly stated, and all he has been doing is uploading other peoples work off Flickr in a bid to get my images taken off an article. He even criticised me for the old photos my dad took showing Kolhapur and Bahamas in Southport, we didnt have digital cameras back then so what do you expect quality wise for images around the 70's and 80's.Moylesy98 (talk) 11:31, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

@Mjroots and Talk: As you can probably see it has got out of hand and Tony May is criticising me for uploading all of my images to wiki, he claimed images need to be from the original owner yet not off sites like Flickr, he however is uploading other peoples images from the site in a desperate attempt to get my images removed from articles, iv only got a handful left thanks to him. He even kicked off at me for uploading old 70's/80's photographs that were taken by my father (who has given me permission to use), he claimed they are poor images (what do you expect for stuff from that time as we didnt have digital photography then like we do now). He is coming off as a cyber bully towards me and is the one that should be facing an indefinate block rather than me as he is constantly removing all of my images and he even said he would rather I didnt upload any images to wiki at all. The reason articles like 2999 Lady of Legend and 1014 County of Glamorgan havent got an image of my own is because I havent yet seen either engine.

He should be the one facing an indefinate block rather than me as when iv done editing iv been providing reliable references yet he thinks it's ok to revert it back to how it was before the edit and source was put in. He said I quote: I don't think there is a great deal of danger that many of Dave's pictures would be accepted as "quality images", although they meet one of the criteria by being created by a Commons user, but I'd rather he didn't, simply because he has no understanding of photography, and any quality is merely accidental.Moylesy98 (talk) 12:00, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

• Three points:

1. No-one is saying that they don't want your images here. There are lots of images, some are OK, some are less so, several are on an article where we have a choice between images, and then we pick the best and most appropriate one, not pick one by who took it. This is not about you. If you keep pushing your images though (and you have been) and there are other images which are better, then you're going to keep getting your images removed. But still, they're not being removed because they're yours.
2. People who upload to Flickr (and similar) choose the licence when they upload. If they give a free licence, then it's OK for others (Me, you, TonyMay, anyone on WP) to copy those images off to Commons or Misplaced Pages and use them. That's what "free licence" means. There is nothing about such images not being usable, or needing to be uploaded by their photographer (there's one trivial bit on Commons where you can only get your own images rated as "quality images"). You need to understand that before we'll get any progress. If you're incapable of understanding that, or keep failing to, then I would oppose any unblock as the rest of us just don't need the hassle.
3. You're not blocked because of image choice. You won't get unblocked by saying "I chose the right images". You're blocked because you kept immediately edit-warring against other people and you wore our patience out. You won't get unblocked unless and until you say "OK, I'm going to read the rules and follow them." Claiming "But I was right!" will not work. Andy Dingley (talk) 11:48, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

• Can I just add that the suggestion that good photographic quality only started with the advent of digital photography is utter nonsense. Film cameras were, and still are, capable of superb results. What kind of cameras do you think were used by Ansel Adams, Don McCullin, Steve McCurry, Martin Parr and countless other greats back then? How do you think National Geographic got all its superb images in the 70's, 80's and earlier? If your father's photograph is not good quality (I don't know, I haven't looked at it), that's *not* because it isn't digital. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 11:57, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

A way forward?

Moylesy98, To try to help you here, I'll offer my take on the example shown further up this page, that of LMS Stanier Class 5 4-6-0 4871. You were in an edit war to try to replace the existing photo with your own, complaining of "Deliberate removal of image owing to jealousy." Your assessment is wrong, and let me explain why. Your photo is good, I like it. It's a nicely atmospheric night-time shot, with the backlit smoke/steam adding to the mood. But the purpose of a photo in an encyclopedia is to show readers what the subject looks like, and you really can't get any idea of what that loco actually looks like from your photo. It's a silhouette, in the dark, and provides the reader with almost no visual information about the loco. It's a good photo as a photo, but it's inadequate as an illustration for an encyclopedia.

Let's look at another one, LMS Royal Scot Class 6100 Royal Scot. The current article lead photo is taken in daylight, shows the loco from a reasonable angle, and readers can clearly see what it looks like, together with the tender and a couple of carriages. Your photo is again taken in the dark, and only shows the front of the loco. The reader can't see much of what it actually looks like, and can't make out the tender or carriages at all. Again, it's a nice photo, but a poor illustration.

Photography is my main hobby and I have some of my photos in Misplaced Pages articles. But they were shots I went out specifically to take as illustrations for Misplaced Pages articles and not intended to be artistic photos. If you can understand this, and can make an unblock request that shows you understand it and will stop trying to force your photos into articles against consensus, I think we could work towards an unblock. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 15:03, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

Moylesy98 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

I wanna keep articles up to date with references aswell as keep the images looking more recent rather than being extremely out of date

Decline reason:

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Please read the guide to appealing blocks for more information. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 10:26, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

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For LMS Stanier Class 5 4-6-0 4871 (see images above) you replaced a good image with a terrible image that was also a year and half older. So "keep the images looking more recent rather than being extremely out of date" is not only irrelevant (by WP policy - it just doesn't pay much heed to such a thing) it's also quite untrue, compared to the edits you have been doing.

The idea of you improving articles "with references" is also quite different to what your editing history shows.

Support indef. You will not or cannot recognise what's required. Andy Dingley (talk) 21:56, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

• I'm curious what up-to-date has to do with it when we're talking of photos of old steam locomotives. Unless it's actually changed in some significant way (which most of them haven't as they tend to be preserved as original as possible), what does it matter when a photo was taken? Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 08:22, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
• Oh, and considering the photo you tried to insert in LMS Stanier Class 5 4-6-0 4871: Even without the dates, please explain how you could possibly think a photo taken at night in which you can barely even see the loco can possibly, by any stretch of the imagination, be a better encyclopedia illustration than a very clear, accurately exposed, and well composed photo taken in good daylight?

  Your current unblock request, as it stands, is certain to be declined. To stand any chance of being unblocked, you need to show that you understand the concerns about your contributions and will address them - not just ignore the concerns and push on with the same problems repeatedly. If you keep making unblock requests without even attempting to address the problem, you are likely to lose access to this talk page too. So please respond to what people are actually saying here. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 09:21, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

What does it matter when a photo was taken? talk. Well it matters somewhat, but WP:RECENTISM should not be one of the main criteria, and usually older is better. But I agree from behaviour that Dave's main plan was to get "his fornicating images" into articles, rather than any legitimate higher aim. Tony May (talk) 14:09, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Ah, yes, I can see how for historical subjects like steam locos, older photos might be better (for example, as being more illustrative of them at their prime, or illustrating historic events, I guess). Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 14:22, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Serving a block

A block is not the end. As I understand it you can still upload images to commons, and even if I am wrong you can still be taking photos for the future. I have particularly liked your camera work showing work in progress in depots. The greater the detail the more the interest. You might need a tripod for slow shutter speeds. Shots of experts (I almost said un-GNL craftsmen!) at work whether lining paintwork or scraping a bearing would be valuable. You may still well want to photograph the finished locos in action, but that sort of arty work is more common. If you have access to workshops the opportunity should be grasped. Time passes quickly as shown by the usefulness of your Dad's pics. Misplaced Pages would be the loser without more of your images, if not by some of the edits you have made in the past. Best wishes.SovalValtos (talk) 09:25, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

Owing to the suspension of being able to update and even by updating an article with a new photo and others reverting it to a crapper and older photo.:(

I suggest you swiftly remove the reference to stealing you made above or else there may be little chance of being unblocked.SovalValtos (talk) 19:50, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

It's been sorted out but the photos that replaced mine werent uploaded by the copyright holder.Moylesy98 (talk) 20:50, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

You have been told time and time again that they don't need to be uploaded by the copyright holder, they just need to have been published somewhere under a suitable license. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 20:06, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

Also, considering your accusations of "reverting it to a crapper and older photo" when your photos in all of the examples leading to this block are clearly the inferior ones, can you please answer a question I asked above?...

Q: Considering the photo you tried to insert in LMS Stanier Class 5 4-6-0 4871, can you please explain why you think your photo taken at night in which you can barely even see the loco is a better encyclopedia illustration than a very clear, accurately exposed, and well composed photo taken in good daylight?

If you think yours is better, all you have to do is explain why. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 20:13, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

Serial edit conflicts. Just a reminder that User:Tony May has been told by an admin "if "Dave" (Moylesey98?) placed the image which you object to in the article, then you are not to remove it" .SovalValtos (talk) 20:16, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

Might you consider agreeing not to insert your images in articles and instead propose them on the article's talk page? If you were to ping me I would be happy to help make a decision as I think you might be biased! Unfortunately there may be more for you to cope with in editing about your hobby which could involve restraint by you.SovalValtos (talk) 20:30, 7 April 2019 (UTC) As said some articles didnt have any photos on them and I assumed people would like the article to have one up. The patriot for example had no photo on it until I added a photo of it as a bare set of frames with a BR green liveried cab on them (the state of the engine at that point), I chose to add a new one showing it in an almost finished state as again no other images for it had been uploaded.Moylesy98 (talk) 22:58, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose unblock If you're still saying that the photos that replaced mine werent uploaded by the copyright holder., then I can't see how you can work appropriately and collaboratively here, per WP:COMPETENCE. You've had it explained repeatedly that this just isn't a problem. Andy Dingley (talk) 21:41, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

I was only wanting to give articles a refreshed look as some either didnt have a single photo on them (the newbuilds 1014, 2999, 6880 & 45551 being multiple examples as until I shared images the patriot and grange there wouldnt have been images for them in the article. With the county and saint though I havent seen them yet hence there being no photos of them by myself, there arent other photos of them on the site either so are blank. With others the images were severely out of date and with others like Leander that didnt have an image of it in black (only LMS identity). I will now no longer be sharing my images on the site.Moylesy98 (talk) 22:55, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

It's absolutely fine to upload photos to illustrate an article where there are none (45551 for example has some good photos that you took). The problem is when you're replacing good photographs with ones of your own that are of lesser quality. Black Kite (talk) 22:01, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

• 2999 would be a good place for a new image. I've just added one there myself, it's not great, because even though there's now an image on there of it in steam it's still far from great at showing what a Saint looks like and so I added one of it dressed as Redgauntlet. If you get a decent photo of her, we would welcome that.

But the problem right now is your recent comment. I (for just one) am not prepared to work with you if you're going to describe other editors as 'stealing' and when you still don't understand the legitimate re-use of freely licensed content. I don't know why you can't understand this, or why you have to abuse other editors in the process, but I'd rather have you blocked forever than come back without understanding. You have to understand issues like that – it's one of the few requirements we place on editors.

We do, BTW, prioritise this above the completeness of articles, even their accuracy. Because otherwise we can't work at all. Andy Dingley (talk) 22:14, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

Unblock Request

Moylesy98 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Blocking administrator: Black Kite (talk)

Reviewing administrator: For you to be unblocked, we need to be certain that there won't be any repeat of the behaviour that got you blocked in the first place. This is really the last chance saloon that you're drinking in. Should you continue to edit war over images, you'll find it nigh on impossible to get unblocked again. Mjroots (talk) 20:09, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

Request reason:

After the blocking administrator has left a comment, do one of the following:

If you decline the unblock request, replace this template with the following, substituting {{subst:Decline reason here}} with any specific rationale. If you do not edit the text after "decline=", a default reason why the request was declined will be inserted.

{{unblock reviewed|1=I want to be able to keep an article update with genuine information and references where necessary aswell as share images too. I will make sure not to start an edit war in future|decline={{subst:Decline reason here}} ~~~~}}

If you accept the unblock request, replace this template with the following, substituting Accept reason here with your rationale:

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I suggest this appeal be declined, without prejudice to another try that really answers the complaints. For example, see the above suggestion by User:SovalValtos: "Might you consider agreeing not to insert your images in articles and instead propose them on the article's talk page? If you were to ping me I would be happy to help make a decision as I think you might be biased!" Other admins may want to add further conditions. EdJohnston (talk) 20:53, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

Yes, that works for me. I would oppose unblock without some sort of condition like that, after Moylesy98's continuing WP:IDHT shown in the section above this. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 21:03, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

(Blocking admin) Since Moylesy98 still doesn't seem to understand why they were blocked, I would oppose any unblock without (a) some image restriction such as that proposed by SovalValtos above, and (b) some sort of xRR restriction. Black Kite (talk) 21:27, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

Some articles had old photos rather than more recent photographs, some articles like the newbuilds until I uploaded an image of them didnt have any photographs available for use in the article as at the time no others had been uploaded for use. 1014 and 2999 havent had an image uploaded by myself as I havent seen either engine yet where as with 6880 and the patriot I had done and no other image had been shared. 5551's had a new one to replace the frames photo as it's in a more complete state now. The grange I havent seen in it's current state hence its still got an old photo of her in 2015 rather than a more completed engine.Moylesy98 (talk) 23:05, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

Sure, there's merit in adding photos where there aren't any, but that's going off at a tangent and you're still not listening when it comes to issues that got you blocked. You say "Some articles had old photos rather than more recent photographs" - but you have been repeatedly told that that is not necessarily a problem, and a good older photo is certainly better than a bad newer one. But you won't listen, you just keep repeating the same things. And only a couple of hours ago, you were accusing another editor of stealing photos when it has been repeatedly explained to you that he wasn't and that what he was doing was fine.

It's a pretty universal requirement for an unblock that you actually address your behaviour that resulted in the block, and convince the community that it won't happen again. But you are stubbornly refusing to do that, and you are compounding the problem by continuing to make personal attacks on another editor. I say address your own problematic behaviour or stay blocked. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 22:39, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

I am trying to address the behaviour fault but I dont take continuous criticism from people well as iv had people say my content is always a mess and shouldnt be here at all.Moylesy98 (talk) 00:15, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

That's understandable, but all you have to do is explain what *you* were doing wrong and what you will do differently if unblocked. Forget what anyone else has said or done - just address that one thing. It's pretty much an essential for a successful unblock. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 23:43, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

That is being taken into account but the 24/7 criticism of my photos needs to stop, newbuild loco pages (e.g: 2007 Prince of Wales, 4709, B17's, 82045, etc dont have images at all). Im just trying to add an image to articles as some locos dont have any images on the site at all and the present image 2999 has got isnt a permanent solution shot as a better photo needs to be took of the engine. The saint is also finished so needs moving to the built section of the Steam locomotives of the 21st century page.Moylesy98 (talk) 01:05, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

That is in no way addressing what you were doing wrong, is it? Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 00:17, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

As was said I was trying to keep an article upto date and fresh with new info and photos. But as had been said if someone thought an image needed to be replaced it wasnt to be unless brought up and it was took off the article almost instantly. I just wanted to get my work noticed aswell as fill a gap that might be in an article where there wasnt an image in use on it.Moylesy98 (talk) 01:21, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

And that is still not addressing *what was wrong* with what you were doing, is it? And it's not saying a word about what you will do differently if unblocked. I have nothing further to say to you, and I will just note that I strongly oppose any unblock. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 00:37, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

If I was in the wrong I aplogise.Moylesy98 (talk) 01:38, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

• Stop blaming other editors for what you're doing. Andy Dingley (talk) 09:59, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose unblock per WP:COMPETENCE.SovalValtos (talk) 02:04, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

Just to clarify again: What Dave says he was doing was "keeping articles up-to-date". What the evidence says Dave was doing was vainly putting his own photographs into articles regardless of their quality, which, not understanding photography, he was unable to assess the quality thereof. . That's understandable to a degree, but it is not really acceptable. Since there is a difference between what the evidence says and what Dave says, I suggest we follow the evidence. There needs to be a formal admission of this, rather than a sweary edit summary which did admit this before we can move forward. Tony May (talk) 05:36, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

• I came here via the ANI report. I would be amenable to unblocking Moylesy98 iff they agree to take an indefinite topic ban from images, broadly construed (ie: don't upload them, don't change them in articles), and an indefinite one revert rule restriction; a breach of either will be met with an immediate indefinite reblock with no appeal. Addressing the point of "I just wanted to get my work noticed", then you need to go to Instagram, Flickr or Google Photos - on Misplaced Pages, you have no more rights to change content than anyone else. Ritchie333 14:39, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

Agree with Ritchie333's restriction; unblock only if editor agrees to broadly construed topic ban on image upload/changes. OhNoitsJamie 14:49, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

I could go with that - maybe allow appeal after 12 months? Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 14:51, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

I'm against this.

• en:WP has no control over whether Moylesy uploads images or not. As he's uploading them to Commons, then that's up to Commons, nothing to do with en:WP. He is quite welcome to do this, always has been, and is not blocked from doing so, even now.
• His uploads aren't the problem, it's adding his own images to articles, replacing better (per our somewhat objective, if not absolute, standards). That's about changes in en:WP articlespace, and about the vanity-publishing aspect.
• There is a past issue with the triviality of some information added (per WP:UNDUE) and its poor sourcing. This seems to stem from a difference in viewpoint between WP as an encyclopedia (covering long-term explanations of notable, mostly timeless stuff) and a railway news / magazine site (timely updates are more important).
• Mostly though, the current issue is about a lack of understanding and an inability to work cooperatively with other editors (to which 1RR might be a useful restriction). This is behavioural, not narrowly topic-definable. I have no wish to exclude him from images (that's clearly what he's most interested in) and if he happens to get better photos of a subject like Lady of Legend than we have at present (there are many subjects we're obviously short of), then I would welcome those. But he has to stop sniping at others' behaviour, particularly regarding his clear misunderstandings about legitimate use of free content.

Overall, I see this as mostly behavioural (so either block indef or unblock if he can demonstrate enough understanding), and a narrow topic-based restriction wouldn't work. As to images, then he'd also find it unduly onerous. Andy Dingley (talk) 15:14, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

Yes, Andy understands the subtleties here a bit better. Though, it would be quite easy, even for Dave, to take a photo better than . Tony May (talk) 15:45, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

Ritchie333 - The uploading of images to Commons is not a problem, and even if it were, it would be for Commons to deal with. There is no need to impose an editing restriction on uploading images. It's a pity my suggestion at ANI of an editing restriction preventing the addition, changing or removal of images was not discussed because everyone was arguing over the merits of the block. If Moylesy98 was to voluntarily agree to such a restriction then I would be minded to unblock. Mjroots (talk) 18:56, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

Mjroots - You cant force someone to not upload images to[REDACTED] as again it's not your decision but commons. Moylesy98 (talk) 16:15, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

Sigh. That's not what he said. He suggested "an editing restriction preventing the addition, changing or removal of images" to articles (in other words that you wouldn't add, remove, or change images on Misplaced Pages articles without checking if they are OK with someone else). I'd agree with that, as well. Black Kite (talk) 15:18, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

• Unblock on hold