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:I just asked Billy's younger daughter about his birthday, and she says it's the 16th. I googled up this possible source: http://www.themanitoban.com/2009/12/introducing-billy-l-mitchell/

:That source says "L" is Billy's middle initial. Misplaced Pages says his middle name is James. His daughter says the "L" was wrong and James is correct.

:Billy earned the first perfect Pac-Man score of 3,333,360 in July 1999 in front of a live audience at the Funspot arcade in New Hampshire, and he repeated the feat this month (20 years later) at the same arcade on the same machine, with a live in-person audience and about 600 more of us watching online. This Misplaced Pages article creates the false impression that his 1999 score was unwitnessed, and I see that some editors are rejecting this month's live stream as a valid source. I think it should be accepted. ] (]) 08:01, 17 July 2019 (UTC)


== His kid == == His kid ==

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Billy's records have been removed from the Twin Galaxies DB. See the dispute thread here. The news is already on CNet and Variety. ShawnIsHere: Now in colors 17:01, 12 April 2018 (UTC) ShawnIsHere: Now in colors 17:01, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Disgraced?

With reference to describing Mitchell as "disgraced" - this is sourced, and just because it's negative doesn't make it a POV issue - especially when the claim is backed up by more than a single source as is the case here.

Additionally - while Hitler himself may not be described as "evil", the term is used to describe his regime - and besides; WP:OTHERSTUFF prevails here.

Please discuss why the term should not be used? Chaheel Riens (talk) 11:41, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

The burden is on why it SHOULD be used. Compare this article to Pete Rose, Lance Armstrong, and other similarly disgraced athletes. The articles speak for themselves.Captbloodrock (talk) 01:08, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

WP:OTHERSTUFF -[REDACTED] articles should not be used as a yardstick for other[REDACTED] articles.
The term is used in a plethora of articles to describe the scenario that made him become a "former competitive gamer" - that the term holds negative connotations is not a reason to exclude it. Being "neutral" does not mean that terms should not be used, rather that if they are used it is with good reason - and in this case there are multiple reliable sources that use the term to describe him:
  • Disgraced Donkey Kong champ Billy Mitchell releases statement
  • Disgraced Donkey Kong Champ Billy Mitchell’s Redemption Is a Sloppy Soliloquy
  • Dethroned ‘King of Kong’ Promises Evidence He Didn’t Cheat
  • Who shot Billy Mitchell? – Reader’s Feature
  • Billy Mitchell says he’s “not going to stop now” after scoreboard ban (Disgraced score-chaser promises witnesses, documents will redeem his name)
  • Billy Mitchell, disgraced 'Donkey Kong' champ, defends disqualified video game scores
  • Disgraced Billy Mitchell makes statement after being stripped of arcade records
  • Disgraced Donkey Kong Master Says He's Got Proof He Didn't Cheat
  • Billy Mitchell vows to clear his name after being found guilty of cheating
And I claim Godwin's Law for your use of Hitler: "there is a tradition in many newsgroups and other Internet discussion forums that, when a Hitler comparison is made, the thread is finished and whoever made the comparison loses whatever debate is in progress. This principle is itself frequently referred to as Godwin's law." Chaheel Riens (talk) 08:05, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

Per WP:NPOV, "A neutral point of view neither sympathizes with nor disparages its subject". The word "disgraced" seems disparaging to me. Instead, better to simply describe what happened to Mitchell, as we do later on in the paragraph. Thoughts? Λυδαcιτγ 02:27, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

That's your opinion. I posit that we are simply describing what happened to him. I have provided eight different reliable sources to show that the term is being used to accurately describe him. The articles in question adhere to NPOV, and yet are comfortable with the term. I reiterate - this is not a word that has been thrown in for effect, but one that is being used by multiple news outlets as what they consider to be an accurate description of his status within the industry. Chaheel Riens (talk) 11:32, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

References

  1. "Internet rules and laws: the top 10, from Godwin to Poe". The Daily Telegraph (London), October 23, 2009.
    • I agree; its one thing if certain media sources call him "disgraced", but that doesn't make it wikis place to make a judgement like that. You can use quotation marks around it or otherwise specify that he is a person that many consider disgraced, but that's not the same as saying he IS. According to others I am sure he is "wrongly accused" instead. I am sure I could find plenty of articles calling Roseanne a racist, but that doesn't make it appropriate to start her article by describing her as "an actress, comedian and racist". No, you say she has been ACCUSED of racism, or "sometimes described as" racist. Unless its basically indisputable scientific facts, wiki ought to present everything as "this is what sources SAY is true", not "this is a fact, period". Personally, I don't know anything about the case, but I do know that without some further explamation I find even the description of him as "cheating" in the article seems excessive to me. It sounds more like he was disqualified for using equipment other than specified. Unless that gives you some clear advantage, its not "cheating". If it does give advantage it ought to explain this. Because it sounds to me like the poor ba#%rd accomplished something pretty admirable only to be disqualified over a technicality and then smeared as a "cheater" and "fraud" by a public ready to hate him ever since he was cast as the unlikeable douchebag in that film. I may be totally wrong but its still not for wiki to go beyond reporting what others claim. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.222.87.157 (talk) 05:47, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Date of Birth

Misplaced Pages lists Mitchell's DOB as July 17, 1965. Google has it as July 16. Neither cite a source. It doesn't seem like a big deal one way or the other but a citing a source on the DOB currently listed seems like a good idea.

Machine Man (talk) 03:56, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

I just asked Billy's younger daughter about his birthday, and she says it's the 16th. I googled up this possible source: http://www.themanitoban.com/2009/12/introducing-billy-l-mitchell/
That source says "L" is Billy's middle initial. Misplaced Pages says his middle name is James. His daughter says the "L" was wrong and James is correct.
Billy earned the first perfect Pac-Man score of 3,333,360 in July 1999 in front of a live audience at the Funspot arcade in New Hampshire, and he repeated the feat this month (20 years later) at the same arcade on the same machine, with a live in-person audience and about 600 more of us watching online. This Misplaced Pages article creates the false impression that his 1999 score was unwitnessed, and I see that some editors are rejecting this month's live stream as a valid source. I think it should be accepted. 216.249.247.141 (talk) 08:01, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

His kid

His son ended up kicking at West Point. But the existing link is just to some kicker fantasy camp. Even worth mentioning the kid? BoosterBronze (talk) 02:30, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

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