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:::::::::::Ah. And it's a reference to an ]. The long and short of it is that they were being condescending by suggesting that I'm barely experienced, and that my edit was going to be "found out" and undone by a more experienced editor. <b>]</b> ] 04:31, 14 November 2019 (UTC) :::::::::::Ah. And it's a reference to an ]. The long and short of it is that they were being condescending by suggesting that I'm barely experienced, and that my edit was going to be "found out" and undone by a more experienced editor. <b>]</b> ] 04:31, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
::::::::::::I don't decide these things anyway. Policies and consensus do. And I'm not sure what they say on this one. &ndash;&nbsp;]&nbsp;(]) 05:11, 14 November 2019 (UTC) ::::::::::::I don't decide these things anyway. Policies and consensus do. And I'm not sure what they say on this one. &ndash;&nbsp;]&nbsp;(]) 05:11, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

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I wanted to clarify that I do know how to reuse citations. The duplicates have been a result of a hasty use of the classical editor. That being said, I apologize if they have been inconvenient. Best wishes, --Jamez42 (talk) 21:23, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

@Jamez42: I'm terribly sorry if I came across as being crabby; I didn't mean it that way at all, but I totally see in hindsight that I should've just given an explanation instead of leaving it at "please learn", which comes off as passive-aggression. I legitimately thought when I said that that whoever was creating those duplicates just didn't know how to reuse them. That said, I find it weird that the editor is creating duplicates. I usually either edit citations on the source page or use the visual editor, so I didn't know that was an issue. To hopefully show that I didn't mean to be a jerk about it and that I don't harbor any hard feelings, here's a picture of a husky wearing a cowboy hat. All the best, TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 21:58, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
No worries! In a sense I wanted to explain that I should have foreseen that I could have left duplicates in the text, sorry for the late reply. Please let me know if I can be of any help. Best regards! --Jamez42 (talk) 08:05, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

IP block exemption

I've granted you IP block exemption for six months. This will allow you to edit from VPNs and open proxies, so please keep that part of the policy in mind. Please also read our policy on sock puppetry, and don't cause any drama (this is kind of an unofficial adjunct to the other policies). You'll need to re-request IPBE in six months if you're still using it. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 00:57, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, Ninja! I went ahead and read the policy page. I hope it goes without saying, but I won't abuse this privilege or cause any drama. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 01:11, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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I wanted to thank you for your hard work on Stephen Miller. That story only broke a few hours ago and you've already updated the article without sacrificing quality or inserting your own bias. Thank you! ThadeusOfNazereth 21:12, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Careful

I have a strong feeling you'll be rescinding those edits. You just gave a prominent politician a label used by his critics that he would not use to describe himself. It's already being noticed on Twitter. You seem to have strayed pretty far outside your area of expertise -- hopefully they don't spank you too hard. 104.139.114.186 (talk) 05:22, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

Hi there. I get the feeling from this vague, anonymous threat that you don't feel the label was adequately cited. I understand your concern; I therefore went ahead and added another citation for good measure. :) TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 05:57, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
You're citing material all sourced from the same primary: SPLC. Only 1 source actually even gives him the label you ascribe and it's an editorial. But generally if a person wouldn't describe themselves in similar terms, you shouldn't decide for them. 104.139.114.186 (talk) 13:24, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
I think the biggest misconception you're under is that Misplaced Pages is constrained to only using terms that a subject would use to describe themselves. I would challenge you to find any excerpt of Misplaced Pages policy stating something to the effect of: "if a person wouldn't describe themselves in similar terms, you shouldn't decide for them." This constraint would clearly be absurd. As an extreme example, take Richard B. Spencer. Spencer is, beyond a shadow of a doubt, a neo-Nazi white supremacist, yet he (to quote our own article): "rejects the labels "white supremacist" and "neo-Nazi", preferring to call himself a white nationalist, a white identitarian, and the equivalent of a "Zionist" for white people." If you could read our article on Spencer and say that it's not our place to call him a neo-Nazi white supremacist just because he likes to soften his own image by deliberately avoiding those labels, then I'm not sure what to tell you. The same principle applies here: just because Miller might want to deny this label because it hurts his public image does not mean that we're stepping into some kind of ethical out of bounds by using and properly sourcing the label.
Concerning the use of the piece from the SPLC: the abundance of articles in the citation block demonstrates that numerous other credible organizations have read the SPLC's exposé and have found it credible, treating Miller's deep-seated ties to white nationalism as factual.
If you haven't already, please read WP:BLP. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 18:09, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
Yet none of those articles, save a single editorial, specifically labels him as a white nationalist, as you have here. Do you understand that concept or do I really need to explain it again? If 20 articles are written decrying former President Obama's affinity to socialist positions, would it be fair to label him a socialist despite his insistence to the opposite? The answer is no. Likewise, you're using a term to describe him that is applied subjectively with no meaningful criterion. It is by all definitions editorializing. You've jumped the gun and when somebody who didn't just get their wings finds out, I don't expect it to last long. Hey, while you're composing your next response do me a kindness and point me to the appeals admin I should address this to. Thanks. 104.139.114.186 (talk) 01:50, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
Your wish is my command. Muboshgu, your thoughts, if you have time to waste? TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 02:38, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
This is about labeling Stephen Miller as a white supremacist? That's best to take up on the article's talk page. Otherwise, I can say that if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck... – Muboshgu (talk) 02:53, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
Nah, this is just about originally calling him a white nationalist, as I did in the article. For whatever reason, this IP decided to take it here instead of the talk page, so since they asked for an administrator (and for "somebody who didn't just get their wings"), I figured I'd oblige and call you over to see what you thought. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 02:58, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
I have no idea what that "wings" comment means. I'm a bit too WP:INVOLVED in AP2 to be a good arbiter on this topic. I think Stephen Miller is a white nationalist. But that doesn't mean it is right for us to call him one. – Muboshgu (talk) 04:00, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
Fair. The "wings" comment was just referring to this comment: "You've jumped the gun and when somebody who didn't just get their wings finds out, I don't expect it to last long." At any rate, I probably shouldn't have called you over here so impulsively and instead just tried to shift this conversation over to Stephen Miller's talk page. Sorry for wasting your time. Out of curiosity, before you go, what's AP2? TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 04:05, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
Yeah I still have no idea what the IP means about "wings". AP2 refers to post-1932 American politics. – Muboshgu (talk) 04:13, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
Ah. And it's a reference to an aviator badge. The long and short of it is that they were being condescending by suggesting that I'm barely experienced, and that my edit was going to be "found out" and undone by a more experienced editor. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 04:31, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
I don't decide these things anyway. Policies and consensus do. And I'm not sure what they say on this one. – Muboshgu (talk) 05:11, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

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