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Linking to Help:IPA for Assamese

Hello. I'm removing that link from our vowel/consonant articles, because it's not the appropriate place for it. That IPA guide is meant to be linked to from IPA transcriptions from other articles (example: German IPA on Berlin links to Help:IPA for German). Peter238 (talk) 16:59, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

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Kamarupi script

There is no evidence the script was used for anything other than Sanskrit. Please do not insert these languages without any evidence. There is no specimen of any literature written in Kamarupi Prakrit. The Kamarupi script is a phase of the script till the 13th century, and was not used for attachments from later periods. Chaipau (talk) 14:43, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

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@Aloha27: Thanks! I'll be careful about edit summary.

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Misplaced Pages:NOINDICSCRIPT

Its not my duty to educate Indians - read if you able to understand N don't mass with Bengalis ------

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code: This avoidance of Indic scripts only applies to articles that are predominantly India-related and is excluded from, among others, articles about Hinduism, Buddhism, Pakistan or any of India's neighbouring countries. It is a divergence from the usual practice of including non-Latin script in leads when it is arguably relevant (e.g. "Athens ... Greek: Αθήνα ..." at the article Athens).:uncode- Charyapada is the mother of bengali lang n part of Bangladesh national language and pride created by Bengalis from Vraendra or north bengal- learn well!!!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A0A:A541:60C9:0:F9A6:1A47:BF05:1BBF (talk) 09:30, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

@2A0A:A541:60C9:0:F9A6:1A47:BF05:1BBF: The article says that this avoidance is only applied to articles that are predominantly Indian. But is charyapada predominantly Indian? (Ikr) and it says Indic scripts (which includes Eastern Nagari script also. It didn't mention about languages that are mostly spoken in India according to the available datas, it says scripts. And it's better to avoid any modern languages because charyapada was not written in those modern languages. And about educating Indians, mr/mrs pround nationalist, I identify myself as an individual, and I judge people individually for your information. You should better learn some respect. Charyapada is not a language, it was written in some languages at different periods please do some research before claiming yourself to be educated about the topic. It is not yet scientifically proven that the languages of Charyapada were mothers of Bengali (and people can make similar claims about other languages). Keep your "pride" in your pocket while talking to any other person. And this is Misplaced Pages, not your brain. "Created by Bengalis from Varendra or North Bengali" Oh! You need more things to learn. Ethnicity ≠ Languages. - Msasag (talk) Msasag (talk) 13:26, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

..i don't need to learn anything from toiletless people — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A0A:A541:6059:0:5C28:776D:B4E2:F364 (talk) 16:09, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

@2A0A:A541:6059:0:5C28:776D:B4E2:F364: You've forgotten or never leant manners. You need to learn facts and stop believing in lies. And what's your point? Putting Bengali there doesn't prove that Charyapada is Bengali or it's an ancestor only of Bengali and not of other languages. So there is no need to add Bengali there just like there is no need to add any other modern languages. And I said "modern language" doesn't mean you can add any old languages. I thought you have some commonsense at least. Also, read about Aryan people, most Indo-Aryan speakers are not pure Aryans, they are mixed with native Dravidians (and Austroloids) and Mongoloids, more non Aryan dna is seen in darker skinned speakers and Sino-Tibetan and Tai-Kadai converts as well. (For your information, I'm half Sylheti and half Nokhailla, but my 1st language is Assamese for geographical reasons). And what did you mean by রা? Should I read it as "ra" (as in Bengali) or "vā" (as in Charyapada)? Msasag (talk) 13:12, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

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December 2018

Please do not add original research or novel syntheses of published material to articles as you apparently did to Bengalis. Please cite a reliable source for all of your contributions. Sylheti, Rajboshi, Chittagonian are considered separate languages since mutually unintelligible. There have been ethnoliguistic movements by these people for separate identity. Fylindfotberserk (talk) 13:15, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

@Fylindfotberserk: That number of Bengalis "261 million" also includes Sylheti, Chittagonian and Bangladeshi Rajbongshi speakers. So if those people are included, then why not their languages? Are they mute or what?? And the percentage of Bengali speakers in Assam is 28% (of course this includes different languages also). And in Assam ethnicities are classified based on languages, so how can 29% percent be Bengali Muslims? And where are all those Bengali Hindus?? Also look at the population of Bangladesh which is 162 million in 2016, so how can the numbers of Bengalis in Bangladesh (shown as 166 million) be more than the entire population of the country? Are they counting other species?? Msasag (talk) 18:33, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

Let me explain one by one :

• Firstly, the article is about Bengali ethnic group, so the norm here is only to include the language not dialects(or perceived dialects) of the ethnic group in question. Dialects are covered in the respective language article. See Swedish people, Han Chinese, Gujaratis, Punjabis, Tamils. For uniformity, all the similar articles need to be kept that way.
• That number of Bengalis "261 million" also includes Sylheti, Chittagonian and Bangladeshi Rajbongshi speakers. -

1. It seems these languages are included as dialects here. The Census 2011 source for the Indian "Bengali" data includes "Rangpuri" as a mother tongue within the Bengali "language" making the total 97.2 million which is highlighted in the article. It is likely that the Sylhetis and Chittagonians were identified as standard "Bengali mother tongue" speakers included within the 96.1 million. This policy is maintained in other ethnic group articles like Punjabis (33,124,726 including Punjabi "mother tongue + other dialects"), Gujaratis (5,54,92,554 including Gujarati "mother tongue + other dialects), Tamils (6,90,26,881 including Tamil "mother tongue + other dialects).
2. Ethnologue alongwith the Indian Census in many cases include the language of minority groups within the the major language if debatable(less lexical similarity) e.g. Saraiki language within Punjabi; Saurashtra language, Potohari within Gujarati; Irula language, Kodava language within Tamil. It should be noted that there are respective ethnicities also for these languages which are acknowledged in Ethnologue as well as in Misplaced Pages similar to Sylhetis.

• Also look at the population of Bangladesh which is 162 million in 2016, so how can the numbers of Bengalis in Bangladesh (shown as 166 million) be more than the entire population of the country? Are they counting other species?? - This one seems rather wrong. CIA factbook lists the population of Bangladesh as 159.4 million rather than 166 million as of July 2018. If 98% are Bengalis (which obviously includes Sylhetis and Chittagonians), the total Bengalis would be 156.2 million. If you add this value with the others in the infobox you get close to 260 million which is supported by the Ethnologue source. I've added the cia factbook no. in the article.
• And in Assam ethnicities are classified based on languages, so how can 29% percent be Bengali Muslims? And where are all those Bengali Hindus?? - This one is most problematic and need to be checked. I didn't find any source for that. Deduced from 34.41% mentioned in Islam in Assam with the "85 % of the Muslims in Assam are Bengalis" quoted in here. I believe we can delete it if you are in agreement - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:33, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

Assamese language

Hi @Msasag:, your edits and additions in Assamese language are greatly appreciated. In keeping with the criterion for Misplaced Pages:Featured_article_criteria may be we could use the Misplaced Pages:Summary_style technique and spin off some of the details to subtopics. For example, we could create sub-topics on Assamese verbs, which we could use for a thorough discussion. We could use something like English language (good article) as a model. What do you say? Chaipau (talk) 11:21, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

@Chaipau: That's better! Should we make the article Assamese grammar or add them in separate articles? Msasag (talk) 14:51, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

@Chaipau: Hi, do you have any samples (clearly visible is possible) of Kaitheli, Bamuniya and Garhgaya styles? Msasag (talk) 18:53, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

No, I do not have such clear examples of script. Chaipau (talk) 20:39, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

I have discovered the some digital copies in the Dibrugarh University archive. Did you find them useful? Chaipau (talk) 16:26, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

@Chaipau: Yeah and I'm making two fonts based on some of those, also images of old manuscripts from Sahapedia and others. Msasag (talk) 19:48, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

Bengali-Assamese languages

What do you mean "borrowed" terms. Shundor is a Bengali word.UserNumber (talk) 16:34, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

@UserNumber: It is, but it's not a tadbhava (inherited term), it's a tatsama (new Sanskrit borrowing), from Sanskrit: sundara. According to CDIAL dictionary, the native Bengali cognate is: সুঁদর, it's similar to other nasal consonant to nasal vowel shifts in Bengali: আঁধার (skt: andhakāra), কাঁদ (skt: krand-), চাঁদ (skt: candra) etc.
I am thinking to discuss about the romanization with you. The current romanisation used in the article is random. For each language, many romanisations are shown. And for Rohingya, the Rohingyalish alphabet is shown which is quite different from South Asian romanizations. Maybe we can use something that's closer to IAST transliteration. Msasag (talk) 17:43, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

@Msasag: Sanskrit romanisations are very inaccurate for Bengali. Would it not change shundor into sundara?UserNumber (talk) 11:02, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

@UserNumber: I meant based on that romanization. We use that in Wiktionary. So Bengali সুন্দর would be śundor. Retroflex characters have a dot bellow: ট ṭ, ড ḍ, ড় ṛ etc. ṅ for ঙ. Msasag (talk) 12:59, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

It makes sense but how would a person know that ś is pronounced like 'sh'? UserNumber (talk) 13:02, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

The IAST is probably the most popular standard Romanisation base for Indo-Aryan languages. It's used for Hindi-Urdu and the other languages also. The problem is the character for the inherent vowel in the Eastern languages. Many use ô for Bengali অ and o for Bengali ও. But in many Bengali-Assamese languages like Assamese and Sylheti, the /o/ sound is rare. For Assamese it's /ɔ/ usually and when it's /o/, it's normally predictable, for example, before /i/, it's /o/, for Example: কল is /kɔl/ but কলি is /kolɪ/. When the /o/ is pronounced by itself (not because of any other vowel), then in Assamese alphabet the ’ is used, like হ’ল /ɦol/ and for its romanisation I use ö: höl. I don't use ó because many Bengali-Assamese languages are tonal so this can be confusing. In Sylheti also, the /o/ sound is usually present in diphthongs like "tumi ao!", "boi" etc. And ও is usually pronounced similar to "u" in those languages. Msasag (talk) 13:19, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

Assamese phonetics in Wikimedia

@Msasag: the work you have done recording the Assamese vowels in Wikimedia is wonderful (e.g. . Would you like to complete it? I think we could then use those sounds in the Assamese language page. Also, I have reverted to the older Kanai-Boroxiboa picture because the later one is not legible. Chaipau (talk) 14:58, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

@Chaipau: I can add the consonants as well. Msasag (talk) 15:42, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

@Msasag: that would be awesome. Thanks! Chaipau (talk) 16:40, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

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Kanai-boroxiboa rock inscription

I have reverted the image to the more legible one. Please maintain this version because the other is too noisy. Please upload a better representation instead --- I shall be on the lookout too. Chaipau (talk) 12:40, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

Assamese people - Talk

You made a comment in the closed section . Could you make the comment in an open section please? Thanks! Chaipau (talk) 11:44, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Done. Msasag (talk) 14:03, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

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