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On the section of Patrick banishes all snakes from Ireland, I think it we be relevant to talk of the similarities of this story with that of another Irish story on ].For instance if it was added:
:::: Similarities in this story and another Irish myth are notable. The story of ], who is credited as the ] of the ] and creator of the ] (], ], ]),appears in the 11th century pseudo-historical book ] (The Book of the Taking of Ireland), <ref>MacKillop, James (2005) Myths and Legends of the Celts. London. Penguin Books {{ISBN|9780141017945}}. </ref><ref>Koch, John T. (2005). Celtic Culture: A Historical Encyclopedia Vol. 1 A-Celti. Oxford. ABC-Clio. {{ISBN|9781851094400}}</ref> In the story Goídel Glas is bitten by a snake and his life is saved by ] placing his staff on the snakebite. As a reminder of the incident he retains a green mark that would stay with him for the rest of his life. Additionally Moses tells him that no other of his people will be bitten by a snake and he would lead his people to a land that would be free of snakes. They eventually find Ireland after forty days wandering the sea<ref>Macalister, Robert Alexander Stewart. (1939) Lebor gabála Érenn (The Book of the Taking of Ireland) Volume.2. Dublin. Irish Texts Society by the Educational Co. of Ireland. </ref>
If this was added after the line "Aaron's snake-staff prevails by consuming the other snakes" and before the next paragraph starting with the line "However, all evidence suggests that post-glacial Ireland never had snakes" i think this will give a more detail to people on the past authors of these stories fascination of merging Irish history and culture with that of the bible.
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What is certainly important is that the claim that the banishing of the snakes refers to the banishing of druids should be removed. There is no reliable source for this. The book referenced in the footnote to this (which should also be removed) is a highly eccentric, self-published book. It is not an academic source. I doubt a more reliable source can be found for this claim.] (]) 00:07, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
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Flechner references
Once again, St Patrick's day comes and Roy Flechner's revisionist interpretations get front-loaded into the lede. I have moved them to their appropriate positions in the article - the lede is supposed to summarise the article. --Nicknack009 (talk) 12:27, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
St. Patrick's Birthplace, Place of Burial and Shrines
There is absolutely no definitive, provable birthplace or place of burial for Patrick. Surely it makes sense to use the term "possibly" along with suggestions of various, debated places of origin? E.g. "Possibly Roman Britain", "Possibly Roman France". On the subject of major shrines, surely major Irish shrines should be listed? (Croagh Patrick, for example?) Thanks.
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Can you please check this: St. Patrick died about 460/461 as the article says but the date of his death given on the top says 385- 431.
In tracing the mission of Germanus of Auxerre to Britain in 429, I've come across 19thc. scholarship that refers to Cattug/Catocus/Catwg as a member of that mission along with Patrick, with a suggestion that Catocus also turned up in Ireland. I can't find the sources for these assertions, and am wondering if there's any substance to them. Shtove 00:59, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
What 19th century sources are you getting this from? It's very likely that Palladius was an associate of Germanus, as according to Prosper Germanus was sent to Britain by Celestine on the recommendation of a deacon called Palladius, and the same pope then appointed Palladius, presumably the same one, as the first bishop to the Irish. Perhaps your source thought Palladius and Patrick were the same person? --Nicknack009 (talk) 11:44, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
It does cover your suggestion of mistaking one for the other. I have somewhere another source that accepts the possible mistake at face value, but can't find it just now - and it's likely that source hasn't considered the possibility.
Any inklings about Cattug/Catocus/Catwg in respect of that mission? Shtove 16:31, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
Now I see where you're coming from. There is a tradition, found in Fiacc's Hymn and many of the medieval lives of Patrick, that after he escaped from slavery, he went to the continent and studied with Germanus and others. Victorian scholars tended to regard these medieval Irish texts as historical sources. Most modern scholars don't. The only authentic sources on Patrick are his Confession and Letter, which make no reference to Germanus. The later sources are all unreliable and unverifiable. In particular, the traditions associating him with Germanus, as your link points out, most likely derive from a confusion between Patrick and Palladius.
