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Lowercase i isn’t listed in the Welsh IPA. Is it a mistake to use that for the Welsh pronunciation of Wales? ] (]) 12:24, 19 March 2020 (UTC) Lowercase i isn’t listed in the Welsh IPA. Is it a mistake to use that for the Welsh pronunciation of Wales? ] (]) 12:24, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

I edited it to reflect what the pronunciation of Wales is written as at the Welsh article ] (]) 12:30, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

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The issue of whether Wales is a country or not has been repeatedly raised.
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Semi-protected edit request on 16 April 2015

Average rain fall.........53 inches

Average summer temperature..........48-63

Average winter temperature...........35-45

Capital city.................Cardiff

Is wales.com a reliable secondary source?

The site is a promotional site with the aim of putting Wales and all things Welsh in as positive a light as possible. Look here and you will see that it does not pretend otherwise. As such much of the information posted on the site might just as well come from a tourist guidebook. Being published by the Welsh government does not make this fact any less true because, as the site itself claims: Its aim is to promote Wales as a country in the UK and internationally. This site is being used often on Welsh related articles to verify all sorts of statements, some fairly contentious. It provides no source information so none of the information can be checked. I suspect that much of the information it publishes is taken from[REDACTED] and similar unreliable sites. Should we put out guidelines about the potentially unreliabilty of wales.com or even that it should not be used at all as a reference source? Roger 8 Roger (talk) 22:15, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

its a qualified source I think - exercise care -----Snowded 08:39, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
I question how much it "is being used often on Welsh related articles" - it seems to have only been set up in 2019 in beta form. If it's a government site it's unlikely to set out blatantly incorrect information, but, as Snowded says, it needs to be treated with some caution and better sites may be available. Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:42, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

I tend to agree that 'treat with caution' is the best approach. Set up in 2019? Without checking, I am sure the site has been around on WP since well before this year? I am not suggesting the govt run site is intentionally giving false information, but rather that it is following its mandate, which is to as quoted above. Doing so results in a slightly unbalanced account of the facts, similar to any well presented advertising promotion. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 22:11, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Maybe it is older, I may have misread the information. If we only relied on "perfect" sources, Misplaced Pages would be a great deal smaller than it is! Ghmyrtle (talk) 22:17, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Bilingualism

Not unexpectedly my edit was reversed. Wales is "officially bilingual", so say some. Really? English has unrestricted official status anywhere and in any situation. Welsh has restricted official status in limited clearly defined situations. English just is official; Welsh is official thanks to statute - the de facto, de jure buzz words. They are therefore not equal and not the same in any capacity. Bilingual means equal: English and Welsh are not equal except in only a small number of situations, such as the Welsh Assembly, which is not enough to make Wales a bilingual country. We have synthesis happening here: English is official (under one definition) and Welsh is official (under another definition), therefore, assume some editors, Wales must be officially bilingual. I hope my removal of the phrase will soon be accepted and my edit reinstated. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 06:47, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

Perhaps bilingual is not the right word in this context, as it just means fluent in two languages, with no implication of equality, legality or official status of either or both languages. Tony Holkham (Talk) 09:27, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
I think you might be on the right path there. An interesting comparison can be found in Canada, although I am not sure it helps much. Perhaps we should simply say the Wales has two official languages and leave the bilingual word out altogether.
I've made what seems to me a sensible change, leaving out the term officially bilingual, as I don't think bilingual is a term that can be used to describe a country, as opposed to an individual. Note that the phrase is not used in the section on demographics, so logically should not be used in the lead. Tony Holkham (Talk) 10:18, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
I like your revision. BTW Roger, I took the liberty to correct your formatting regarding the Canada point. Cheers! Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 15:15, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

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I suggest that an category for the Ethic Groups of Wales be added to the breakdown by percentages as it is for England and Scotland on Misplaced Pages. Reliable information for this is available here: https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/uk-population-by-ethnicity/national-and-regional-populations/population-of-england-and-wales/latest 86.2.119.248 (talk) 12:19, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. —KuyaBriBri 13:38, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Wallia

From Cumbric:

The Latinate term Cambria is often used for Wales; nevertheless, the Life of St Kentigern by Jocelyn of Furness has the following passage:

When King Rederech (Rhydderch Hael) and his people had heard that Kentigern had arrived from Wallia into Cambria , from exile into his own country, with great joy and peace both king and people went out to meet him.

--Espoo (talk) 00:22, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

References

  1. (1989) Two Celtic Saints: the lives of Ninian and Kentigern Lampeter: Llanerch Enterprises, p. 91

Semi-protected edit request on 13 January 2020

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Please change the population estimate in the right hand summary from the 2017 (3,125,000) estimate to the 2018 (3,138,631)

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/populationestimates/bulletins/annualmidyearpopulationestimates/latest PopEstUnit (talk) 09:57, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

The table there gives 3,139,000? Martinevans123 (talk) 10:44, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
@Martinevans123: that could be because the number may be rounded, as with all of the other numbers on this table. PopEstUnit probably did some calculations with the general UK population and the percentage (4.7%), but I tried that and I got 3,142,890. I think it's best if we go with the rounded number. (please WP:PING when replying)ToxiBoi! 03:51, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
 Done I agree, the rounded value, used in the source, should be used. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:46, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Lowercase i

Lowercase i isn’t listed in the Welsh IPA. Is it a mistake to use that for the Welsh pronunciation of Wales? Shiggity (talk) 12:24, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

I edited it to reflect what the pronunciation of Wales is written as at the Welsh article Shiggity (talk) 12:30, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

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