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	The article states that in his 1989 book ''Horrors of War'', Tudjman estimated that the total number of victims in Jasenovac was somewhere "between 30,000 and 60,000". This is attributed to James J. Sadkovich's 2010 article in . Most reliable sources however state that he gave an estimate of between '''30,000 and 40,000'''.<ref>{{cite web \|last1=Milekic \|first1=Sven \|title=Franjo Tudjman: Strongman Obsessed with Forging Croatia’s Independence \|url=https://balkaninsight.com/2019/12/10/franjo-tudjman-strongman-obsessed-with-forging-croatias-independence/ \|website=Balkan Insight \|publisher=BIRN \|date=10 December 2019}}</ref><ref>{{cite book \|last1=Baker \|first1=Catherine \|title=The Yugoslav Wars of the 1990s \|date=2015 \|publisher=Macmillan International Higher Education \|isbn=978-1-13739-899-4 \|page=42 \|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=yuvLDAAAQBAJ&pg=PA42}}</ref><ref>{{cite book \|last1=Trbovich \|first1=Ana S. \|title=A Legal Geography of Yugoslavia's Disintegration \|date=2008 \|publisher=Oxford University Press \|isbn=978-0-19533-343-5 \|page=191 \|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=Ojur7dVoxIcC&pg=PA191}}</ref><ref>{{cite book \|last1=Sindbaek \|first1=Tia \|title=Usable History?: Representations of Yugoslavia's Difficult Past from 1945 to 2002 \|date=2012 \|publisher=ISD LLC \|isbn=978-8-77124-107-5 \|pages=178-179 \|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=BLhYDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA178}}</ref><ref>{{cite book \|last1=Leighton \|first1=Dan \|title=Visions of Awakening Space and Time : Dogen and the Lotus Sutra: Dogen and the Lotus Sutra \|date=2007 \|publisher=Oxford University Press \|isbn=978-0-19804-329-4 \|page=207 \|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=fWggQTqioXcC&pg=PA207}}</ref><ref>{{cite book \|last1=Macdonald \|first1=David Bruce \|title=Balkan Holocausts?: Serbian and Croatian Victim Centered Propaganda and the War in Yugoslavia \|date=2002 \|publisher=Manchester University Press \|isbn=978-0-71906-467-8 \|page=167 \|url=https://www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctt155jbrm.11?seq=8#metadata_info_tab_contents}}</ref> Macdonald even says that he arrived at a total of 50,000 victims for all Ustashe camps in the NDH. His high-end estimate for Jasenovac alone cannot be 60,000 then. It also isn't clear whether Sadkovich is alluding specifically to the 1989 book, as he says in the relevant passage that "in 1981 Tudjman was working from the 1964 census." Regarding Sadkovich's credibility, that was posted by another user on the talk page a while back. --] (]) 17:45, 26 April 2020 (UTC)		The article states that in his 1989 book ''Horrors of War'', Tudjman estimated that the total number of victims in Jasenovac was somewhere "between 30,000 and 60,000". This is attributed to James J. Sadkovich's 2010 article in . Most reliable sources however state that he gave an estimate of between '''30,000 and 40,000'''.<ref>{{cite web \|last1=Milekic \|first1=Sven \|title=Franjo Tudjman: Strongman Obsessed with Forging Croatia’s Independence \|url=https://balkaninsight.com/2019/12/10/franjo-tudjman-strongman-obsessed-with-forging-croatias-independence/ \|website=Balkan Insight \|publisher=BIRN \|date=10 December 2019}}</ref><ref>{{cite book \|last1=Baker \|first1=Catherine \|title=The Yugoslav Wars of the 1990s \|date=2015 \|publisher=Macmillan International Higher Education \|isbn=978-1-13739-899-4 \|page=42 \|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=yuvLDAAAQBAJ&pg=PA42}}</ref><ref>{{cite book \|last1=Trbovich \|first1=Ana S. \|title=A Legal Geography of Yugoslavia's Disintegration \|date=2008 \|publisher=Oxford University Press \|isbn=978-0-19533-343-5 \|page=191 \|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=Ojur7dVoxIcC&pg=PA191}}</ref><ref>{{cite book \|last1=Sindbaek \|first1=Tia \|title=Usable History?: Representations of Yugoslavia's Difficult Past from 1945 to 2002 \|date=2012 \|publisher=ISD LLC \|isbn=978-8-77124-107-5 \|pages=178-179 \|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=BLhYDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA178}}</ref><ref>{{cite book \|last1=Leighton \|first1=Dan \|title=Visions of Awakening Space and Time : Dogen and the Lotus Sutra: Dogen and the Lotus Sutra \|date=2007 \|publisher=Oxford University Press \|isbn=978-0-19804-329-4 \|page=207 \|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=fWggQTqioXcC&pg=PA207}}</ref><ref>{{cite book \|last1=Macdonald \|first1=David Bruce \|title=Balkan Holocausts?: Serbian and Croatian Victim Centered Propaganda and the War in Yugoslavia \|date=2002 \|publisher=Manchester University Press \|isbn=978-0-71906-467-8 \|page=167 \|url=https://www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctt155jbrm.11?seq=8#metadata_info_tab_contents}}</ref> Macdonald even says that he arrived at a total of 50,000 victims for all Ustashe camps in the NDH. His high-end estimate for Jasenovac alone cannot be 60,000 then. It also isn't clear whether Sadkovich is alluding specifically to the 1989 book, as he says in the relevant passage that "in 1981 Tudjman was working from the 1964 census." Regarding Sadkovich's credibility, that was posted by another user on the talk page a while back. --] (]) 17:45, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

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Why does the lead section contain a ICTY verdict, as if that is the thing he will be remebered in history? Furthermore, it is written in some kind of broken English. Why does it not instead emphasise the importance of this individual in Croatia's independence, and in leading his nation through war?

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Jasenovac casualties in Horrors of War

The article states that in his 1989 book Horrors of War, Tudjman estimated that the total number of victims in Jasenovac was somewhere "between 30,000 and 60,000". This is attributed to James J. Sadkovich's 2010 article in this journal. Most reliable sources however state that he gave an estimate of between 30,000 and 40,000. Macdonald even says that he arrived at a total of 50,000 victims for all Ustashe camps in the NDH. His high-end estimate for Jasenovac alone cannot be 60,000 then. It also isn't clear whether Sadkovich is alluding specifically to the 1989 book, as he says in the relevant passage that "in 1981 Tudjman was working from the 1964 census." Regarding Sadkovich's credibility, this should also be taken into account that was posted by another user on the talk page a while back. --Griboski (talk) 17:45, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

Milekic, Sven (10 December 2019). "Franjo Tudjman: Strongman Obsessed with Forging Croatia's Independence". Balkan Insight. BIRN.
Baker, Catherine (2015). The Yugoslav Wars of the 1990s. Macmillan International Higher Education. p. 42. ISBN 978-1-13739-899-4.
Trbovich, Ana S. (2008). A Legal Geography of Yugoslavia's Disintegration. Oxford University Press. p. 191. ISBN 978-0-19533-343-5.
Sindbaek, Tia (2012). Usable History?: Representations of Yugoslavia's Difficult Past from 1945 to 2002. ISD LLC. pp. 178–179. ISBN 978-8-77124-107-5.
Leighton, Dan (2007). Visions of Awakening Space and Time : Dogen and the Lotus Sutra: Dogen and the Lotus Sutra. Oxford University Press. p. 207. ISBN 978-0-19804-329-4.
Macdonald, David Bruce (2002). Balkan Holocausts?: Serbian and Croatian Victim Centered Propaganda and the War in Yugoslavia. Manchester University Press. p. 167. ISBN 978-0-71906-467-8.

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