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Anyway I expect only a few words reply at most because I understand we have to err on the side of political correctness. But as a hobbyist historian it is rather ignoble. ] (]) 17:50, 2 May 2020 (UTC) Anyway I expect only a few words reply at most because I understand we have to err on the side of political correctness. But as a hobbyist historian it is rather ignoble. ] (]) 17:50, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
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This is a great example of Nazi sympathizers trying to revise history. Yes, all Germans were Nazis. Get over it. This is accepted consensus by historians. All Germans knew about, and aided the Holocaust.


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Clarity needed, confusing article

Trolling a Good article with Whataboutism
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Even the title is confusing. "The myth of the clean Wehrmacht". Firstly, what is the myth being claimed? Is the claim that they were 100% clean? 99.99% clean? 99% clean? 95% clean? 90% clean? 80% clean? Can you even quantify something such as this in percentages? Is it fair to treat it so binarily?

Is the claim that they were simply not raping anyone? If so, is the claim for that 100%? What about the Holocaust? Is the claim that they did not help at all? If so, was this official Wehrmacht policy? I see no sources confirming this.

I just don't think that a single person on earth would say "No, not a single Wehrmacht soldier raped anyone"... Which leads me to my next point.

Secondly, who is claiming this myth? This ties in with the first problem I see with this article. It just seems like a strawman that was built around some arbitrary entity claiming the Wehrmacht was 100% clean. Should I go make an article "Myth of the clean U.S. Armed Forces"?

Lastly, why is it being referred to as a myth?

"A traditional story, especially one concerning the early history of a people or explaining some natural or social phenomenon, and typically involving supernatural beings or events. - definition for a myth

Who is telling the story (see point two) and why is it a "story" at all? Why is it not just a lie? We do not see "War crimes of the U.S." titled "myth" as I mentioned.

Anyway I expect only a few words reply at most because I understand we have to err on the side of political correctness. But as a hobbyist historian it is rather ignoble. 2601:645:C000:AE10:74BD:5C29:875A:5F53 (talk) 17:50, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

This is a great example of Nazi sympathizers trying to revise history. Yes, all Germans were Nazis. Get over it. This is accepted consensus by historians. All Germans knew about, and aided the Holocaust.

Just read that section, I think his point stands?

I don't really see any whataboutism in his post. That said he didn't conduct himself in the best way. Sure, he mentioned U.S war crimes etc. but it's a good comparison because the question is still unanswered: why does this article exist and who is claiming this so-called myth? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 246.4.220.1 (talk) 20:15, 3 May 2020 (UTC) Someone should at least answer his question. Like he said I expect a single sentence only too but I think it's good for discussion.

Agree, seems like a WP:AGF violation. 216.9.110.7 (talk) 20:19, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

fictitious notion

Is it really fictitious? I mean, the word means "not real or true, being imaginary or having been fabricated." One could read this as a claim that this myth is not real and exists only in some fictional book or such. I think the word fictitious is potentially misleading and confusing here, and I'd suggest its removal. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:36, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

It's fictitious, in that it was a fabricated concept designed to draw blame away from the Wehrmacht. — The Hand That Feeds You: 15:09, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

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Preserving here by providing this link; my rationale was: "shortening the lead a bit". --K.e.coffman (talk) 19:05, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

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