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* I mean, we can certainly have this discussion. But you need to do it on the correct terms. You need reliable secondary sources that describe him as libertarian as opposed to far-right. He can be both, and not all libertarians are right. But this isn't something we discuss amongst ourselves and not something where we "take his word" for it. Everything on Misplaced Pages lives and dies according to the sources. ]] 19:39, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
* I mean, we can certainly have this discussion. But you need to do it on the correct terms. You need reliable secondary sources that describe him as libertarian as opposed to far-right. He can be both, and not all libertarians are right. But this isn't something we discuss amongst ourselves and not something where we "take his word" for it. Everything on Misplaced Pages lives and dies according to the sources. ]] 19:39, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
== Bias against Alex Jones in this article ==
Far-right was bad enough but now Jones has suddenly acquired a new title "political extremist".
This kind of emotive political rhetoric is not appropriate for wikipedia. This is a topic of much debate, rather than something that can be assuredly put in the first descriptive sentence of Alex Jones'[REDACTED] article.
Alex Jones is a very unusual character with a peculiar outlook on the world. He certainly leans right politically, but his views are quite idiosyncratic. They certainly do not align with typical far-right people or extremists who tend to be very closed minded and totalitarian.
Jones displays many signs of lateral thinking, divergent thinking and open association in his thought. This is NOT how a natural conservative thinks.
This is explained quite well by psychologist Jordan Peterson in this clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zq1i4enQVDE (albeit about Russell Brand in this case but is quite similar if you listen to Alex Jones speaking).
Direct quote (Dr Jordan B Peterson): "you are a very 'open' person, and you can tell because you think laterally. You have an idea, and this reminds you of a whole bunch of other ideas. And so you'll move laterally across ideas. A more conservative person will stay within the category. Your conversational style is marked by divergences. That is actually called divergent thinking, its a hall mark of creativity."
This explains why Alex Jones is a conspiracy theorist; because he is a very 'open' person (open to unusual thoughts and information).
Tarring him with the labels "far right" and "political extremist" are designed to defame him because these phrases hold many negative connotations. This is just cheap tactics from people who do not understand him and do not want to because they do not like his support for Republican ideals.
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Q1: Why is Alex Jones described as a far-right conspiracy theorist?
A1: The preponderance of reliable sources describes him as this.
"The case of Mr. Jones and Infowars is tricky for many politicians and figures on the right. While many dislike the idea of tech companies censoring political speech, and Infowars leans far right, Mr. Jones regularly spreads lies, conspiracy theories and inflammatory attacks against political enemies." ----The New York Times
"Kaiser, the Harvard researcher, said that Jones was a far-right 'beacon' -- a sort of gateway who could bring conservatives looking for right-wing media into the extreme fringes via YouTube's recommendations." --CNBC
"Twitter banned far-right conspiracy theorist Alex Jones and his website InfoWars from its platform Thursday afternoon" --CNN
"Twitter announced Thursday that it had banned the accounts of conspiracy theorist Alex Jones and his far-right media company Infowars" --NBC News
"Facebook today removed 22 pages associated with far-right conspiracy theorist Alex Jones" --The Verge
This article was nominated for deletion on 10 March 2009 (UTC). The result of the discussion was keep.
They are closing down debate by archiving discussions. This is not acceptable for a free and open platform like Misplaced Pages. Gd123lbp (talk) 01:36, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
Gd123lbp, I know you're new here but a simple search of the archives of this very page would show you this subject has been "debated" so many times it's actually prominently displayed on the header right above you. And I say "debated" as it's not a debate with no evidence. Can you show some reliable sources arguing he is not far right? A a simple Google news search would show literally hundreds of thousands of sources showing he is. The reason your discussions are being archived is because an editor comes and makes the same argument consistently with no reliable sources to back up their point. It's someone constantly saying the Pope isn't Catholic over and over with no evidence. Actually exhausting. Glen15:54, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
I did, but you can't seem to fix it. Your "reliable" sources don't seem to be reliable at all considering that the man himself (Alex Jones) said he's libertarian. StongOx1745 (talk) 16:56, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
I mean, we can certainly have this discussion. But you need to do it on the correct terms. You need reliable secondary sources that describe him as libertarian as opposed to far-right. He can be both, and not all libertarians are right. But this isn't something we discuss amongst ourselves and not something where we "take his word" for it. Everything on Misplaced Pages lives and dies according to the sources. GMG19:39, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
Bias against Alex Jones in this article
Far-right was bad enough but now Jones has suddenly acquired a new title "political extremist".
This kind of emotive political rhetoric is not appropriate for wikipedia. This is a topic of much debate, rather than something that can be assuredly put in the first descriptive sentence of Alex Jones'[REDACTED] article.
Alex Jones is a very unusual character with a peculiar outlook on the world. He certainly leans right politically, but his views are quite idiosyncratic. They certainly do not align with typical far-right people or extremists who tend to be very closed minded and totalitarian.
Jones displays many signs of lateral thinking, divergent thinking and open association in his thought. This is NOT how a natural conservative thinks.
This is explained quite well by psychologist Jordan Peterson in this clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zq1i4enQVDE (albeit about Russell Brand in this case but is quite similar if you listen to Alex Jones speaking).
Direct quote (Dr Jordan B Peterson): "you are a very 'open' person, and you can tell because you think laterally. You have an idea, and this reminds you of a whole bunch of other ideas. And so you'll move laterally across ideas. A more conservative person will stay within the category. Your conversational style is marked by divergences. That is actually called divergent thinking, its a hall mark of creativity."
This explains why Alex Jones is a conspiracy theorist; because he is a very 'open' person (open to unusual thoughts and information).
Tarring him with the labels "far right" and "political extremist" are designed to defame him because these phrases hold many negative connotations. This is just cheap tactics from people who do not understand him and do not want to because they do not like his support for Republican ideals.
Gd123lbp (talk) 23:17, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
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