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Bgkc4444, you are invited to the Teahouse!

Your vandalism.

Regarding Homecoming (2019 film), Impact section:

1. Quotes are meant to be in quotation marks. They're not objective facts. they're opinions from commentators. Thus, they HAVE TO BE in quotation marks as per WP:MOS. You know that. 2. "capitalized off" isn't found anywhere in your sources.You cannot add your own opinions in a Misplaced Pages article.

You've barely made 200 edits. I understand you lack knowledge regarding how things work here. if you're gonna continue to violate Misplaced Pages's guidelines, I might have to file a complaint and take necessary actions. This is a warning. Thank you. BawinV (talk) 15:43, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

Hi there!

1. What you put in quotation marks was not a quote from any of the cited sources. You did so twice, with different words in quotation marks each time and yet still neither of those quotes were mentioned in the cited sources.
2. Yes, "capitalized off" was mentioned twice in my source. The second cited article says that the performance in question "co-opts, capitalizes and profits off the hard work of Beyoncé, a Black woman, as well as Black culture". The article then goes on to explain that it "in turn contributes to a very long history of white people capitalizing off the labour and culture of people of colour, especially in the realm of music."

Please stop vandalizing Beyoncé articles because you love Taylor Swift. Misplaced Pages is not a place for you to play around with and ruin other people's articles.

Bgkc4444 (talk) 17:21, 9 February 2020 (UTC)Bgkc4444

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July 2020

Please do not add original research or novel syntheses of published material to articles as you apparently did to Lemonade (Beyoncé album). Please cite a reliable source for all of your contributions. Thank you. isento (talk) 14:07, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi Isento! Thank you for your suggestion. However, it is an incorrect accusation. This is not original research, as the material is clearly attributed to a source and the author is mentioned in the article text. This is not synthesis of published material, as I have not combined material from two disparate sources to form my own conclusion, nor combined material from two disparate contexts/topics in a source to form my own conclusion; this is clearly an article on one topic. I'd appreciate it if you could please clarify how this warrants these accusations. In your previous revision, you said that "artists have been "utilising" albums this way for decades prior to this purported landmark" as a defence for removing the content. THAT is original research. Whether artists had used similar strategies before or not, Bowen explicitly connects Swift's Reputation to Beyoncé's Lemonade in this regard. I did not add this material on the article for Reputation; if I did, then you could add other influences for the album. But the article in question is about Lemonade, and so should include information relevant to Lemonade. Please do not remove the content again. Bgkc4444 (talk) 15:11, 16 July 2020 (UTC)Bgkc44444

Saying things that go beyond what the source explicitly says is original research (WP:STICKTOSOURCE). The writer says Swift, on Reputation, tells "her side of a bunch of stories that people have already read about her in the press", and that this is how it is like Lemonade. That is completely different from meaning to say Swift was inspired by Beyonce to "utilize her album as a tool to address personal issues solely through the medium of music". You misused the source to support some higher, inflated idea that isn't explicitly stated in the source. Please don't restore the content again. isento (talk) 15:17, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

I did not add material that goes beyond what the source explicitly says, however I am happy to make changes so that the material matches the language of the source more closely. To add, I do not appreciate you mocking what I wrote in your last sentence. As I know you are aware from the several other editors who have warned you about this, civility is one of the five pillars of Misplaced Pages, and disrespectful comments are unacceptable. Bgkc4444 (talk) 16:08, 16 July 2020 (UTC)Bgkc4444

Please do not add commentary, your own point of view, or your own personal analysis to Misplaced Pages articles, as you did to Lemonade (Beyoncé album). Doing so violates Misplaced Pages's neutral point of view policy and breaches the formal tone expected in an encyclopedia. Thank you. isento (talk) 08:56, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

@Isento: I would it appreciate it if you would continue in the same section instead of adding a new one if you're trying to argue with me over the same point - thank you. Please explain how I added my own point of view. Bgkc4444 (talk) 09:23, 17 July 2020 (UTC)Bgkc4444

Talk:Lemonade_(Beyoncé_album)#Possible_OR/POV_violation. Your bold edit has been reverted. Follow WP:BRD protocol and go to the talk page instead of restoring your preferred revision. isento (talk) 10:06, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi, and thank you for your contributions to Misplaced Pages. It appears that you tried to give a page a different title by copying its content and pasting either the same content, or an edited version of it, into Black Is King. This is known as a "cut-and-paste move", and it is undesirable because it splits the page history, which is legally required for attribution. Instead, the software used by Misplaced Pages has a feature that allows pages to be moved to a new title together with their edit history.

In most cases, once your account is four days old and has ten edits, you should be able to move an article yourself using the "Move" tab at the top of the page (the tab may be hidden in a dropdown menu for you). This both preserves the page history intact and automatically creates a redirect from the old title to the new. If you cannot perform a particular page move yourself this way (e.g. because a page already exists at the target title), please follow the instructions at requested moves to have it moved by someone else. Also, if there are any other pages that you moved by copying and pasting, even if it was a long time ago, please list them at Misplaced Pages:Requests for history merge. Thank you. Michael Greiner 18:48, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi Michael Greiner! Thanks so much for your help - I was not aware of this issue. I'm still a bit confused about this case. Another user wanted to create an article for Black Is King, but at the time Black Is King was a redirect and they did not know how to convert a redirect to an article, and so they created a draft article through AfC. Instead of just moving the article to the mainspace, I stupidly created a new article with the Black Is King title in the mainspace and copied what was in the draft. There has since been edits made by others to the article. What would be the best way to merge the articles and their histories? Placing a request on Misplaced Pages:Requests for history merge? Thank you! Bgkc4444 (talk) 23:19, 18 July 2020 (UTC)Bgkc4444

Yes, I'd start with Misplaced Pages:Requests for history merge. --Michael Greiner 23:51, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

@Michael Greiner: Great, thanks so much! Bgkc4444 (talk) 00:20, 19 July 2020 (UTC)Bgkc4444

August 2020

Please do not attack other editors, as you did at Lemonade (Beyoncé album). Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. isento (talk) 19:27, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

@Isento: Hi again! Calling out your racism and misogyny is not considered a personal attack, because there is evidence of this behaviour here. Thank you! Bgkc4444 (talk) 13:42, 13 August 2020 (UTC)Bgkc4444

Don't ping me with your pseudoliberal horsehit, little girl. isento (talk) 13:55, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

Do you know of any -ism I can throw at you for smattering your hypocritical, self-righteous condescension with fake manners and exclamation points? isento (talk) 14:57, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

@Bgkc4444 - Isento is wikipedia's biggest troll, just ignore him and he will stop. He is angry loner who gets only life satisfaction from harrassing people online. He clearly not happy person. Lpook at how he trests people.. clearly not healthy man in the head. 156.146.56.193 (talk) 18:33, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

• Ok that's enough. The next post that violates WP:NPA is getting a block for their trouble. No further warnings will be issued. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:33, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

Thank you Ad Orientem. Can I ask you to help me please because I don't know what to do. The user is hounding me and I do not feel comfortable making any edits knowing he will try to disrupt them. He also continued making personal attacks on me, including using sexist and derogatory language. I have warned him about this here, but he deleted it from his talk page and has continued this behaviour. What can I do about it? Bgkc4444 (talk) 20:11, 13 August 2020 (UTC)Bgkc4444

I have left a note on their talk page. If there are any more personal attacks contact me. If you believe they are hounding you, after my note, you may take the matter to WP:ANI. Note: you will be required to produce evidence in the form of a pattern of behavior backed by diffs. I hope this resolves the matter. Best regards... -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:24, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

@Ad Orientem: Thank you so much for your assistance. I think I'll wait to take it to ANI unless he continues with this behaviour, as I hope your warning will prevent it. Your help is very much appreciated. Bgkc4444 (talk) 21:37, 13 August 2020 (UTC)Bgkc4444

I think you're the sexist if you think my using the word "neurotic" to describe the writer's content is sexist because she happens to be female. Look in the mirror buddy. isento (talk) 22:16, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

Ad Orientem Here's the more personal attacks :( And he continues to hound me on this article. Bgkc4444 (talk) 01:05, 14 August 2020 (UTC)Bgkc4444

@Bgkc4444 Where is the history of hounding? This looks like a content dispute to me and an RfC is a perfectly legitimate way of handling that. @Isento: I advise you to stay off Bgkc4444's talk page since you seem unable to comment here civilly. The next time you attack Bgkc4444 here or anywhere else, as you did above, I will block you. This should be understood as a Final Warning. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:24, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

@Bgkc4444 I am reiterating the warning I posted above and again to isento, I want no more attacks of a personal nature. This applies to everybody involved in this dispute. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:28, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

• @MelanieN: You seem to have been involved in this a ways back. To my mind this looks like a content dispute that is getting very nasty. I have issued warnings all around, which appear to have had little effect. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:24, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

@Ad Orientem: We originally had a content dispute which was discussed here. At this time Isento was on my talk page and was uncivil when I gave a polite warning on his talk page. A month later I made further edits to the article, including the addition of material that was related to the material that was under discussion - my addition of this material used the advice that another user gave in the discussion to make it compliant. Isento reverted my addition, and removed other material that I added which was completely unrelated to our content dispute, providing an uncivil explanation in the edit summary here. He then added the section that we are currently in on my talk page. He then decided to further attempt to irritate me by disrupting my edits and writing uncivil comments in a discussion I am in on a completely different article, as you can see here, here, here and here. I wrote a long personal message about all of this on his talk page here, but he quickly deleted it, and wrote the derogatory comments about me that you have seen. I agree that RfC is a legitimate way of resolving a dispute, but this is not the dispute that I have been having with Isento, and Isento only requested the RfC because he wants to continue to hound and irritate me. I feel extremely frustrated. Thank you again for your help. Bgkc4444 (talk) 01:50, 14 August 2020 (UTC)Bgkc4444

Ok, so I've glanced at the discussions and diffs you provided and I am doubtful that there is enough evidence to support a charge of hounding. That said there is no question that some of isento's responses to you have been uncivil. And as you will note, I've issued warnings. But I would also note that you too have made some sharp comments. In your initial response in the first discussion you linked above, you accused isento of imposing their "skewed views" into the article. I could go on, but the bottom line is that this looks and smells like a content dispute that has gotten very testy. My advice is for everybody to take a deep breath and address the issues based on policy and guidelines. The RfC looks like a step in that direction. If you still think there is deliberate hounding going on, you are free to open a discussion at WP:ANI. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:05, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

@Ad Orientem: Thank you. I apologise for that sharp comment. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but the fact that Isento followed me to another article and continued to disrupt my editing and discussions there with personal attacks seems like clear hounding to me, with hounding being "the singling out of one or more editors, joining discussions on multiple pages or topics they may edit or multiple debates where they contribute, to repeatedly confront or inhibit their work". I do not see how this can be considered a content dispute that got testy. I find it frustrating because evidently lots of other editors have been at the receiving end of Isento's personal attacks, and he has been on Misplaced Pages for a long time and certainly knows the rules, but if you are doubtful about how a discussion at ANI would be received I feel like there's no way to stop his constant disruptive contributions. Bgkc4444 (talk) 02:26, 14 August 2020 (UTC)Bgkc4444

Isento has a long track record of heavy editing in music related topics and pages. Hounding would require evidence establishing a pattern of this sort of thing. IMO this is not enough to overcome the argument that it was happenstance. And it is a perfectly plausible argument given that you both obviously share similar interests. As for their acidic comments that has already been addressed above. I expect everybody to be civil and correct in their interactions with each other and avoid any provocative language. I don't expect you both to start a mutual love fest. I will be satisfied if we throw some water on the incendiary jabbing. And now, I am off to bed. It's been a long day and tomorrow is looking to be a bear. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:38, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

@Ad Orientem: I don't believe that it can be considered happenstance that Isento's first edit on the Black Is King article was immediately after his "Don't ping me with your pseudoliberal horsehit, little girl" attack, and his edits were all trying to interfere with content disputes I am involved in and his edits and edit summaries directly addressed me and made further personal attacks on me. Thank you again for all your help yesterday, Bgkc4444 (talk) 11:14, 14 August 2020 (UTC)Bgkc4444