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ANI

You are mentioned at WP:AIN#Socking wrt Lovaas?. Thanks. Alexbrn (talk) 07:16, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

I am, but as I mentioned there, going to an IP to avoid harassment is a non-abusive use of multiple accounts. Since I went to IP I have only used this account only to upload images (which IPs are not allowed to do). --Wikiman2718 (talk) 14:08, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Sockpuppet investigation

An editor has opened an investigation into sockpuppetry by you. Sockpuppetry is the use of more than one Misplaced Pages account in a manner that contravenes community policy. The investigation is being held at Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Wikiman2718, where the editor who opened the investigation has presented their evidence. Please make sure you make yourself familiar with the guide to responding to investigations, and then feel free to offer your own evidence or to submit comments that you wish to be considered by the Misplaced Pages administrator who decides the result of the investigation. If you have been using multiple accounts (in a manner contrary to Misplaced Pages policy), please go to the investigation page and verify that now. Leniency is usually shown to those who promise not to do so again, or who did so unwittingly, but the abuse of multiple accounts is taken very seriously by the Misplaced Pages community.

September 2020

Please do not attack other editors, as you did at User talk:SandyGeorgia. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Accusing another user of sockpuppetry without evidence is a personal attack. Either file an |investigation or withdraw the accusations. — The Hand That Feeds You: 19:05, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Atdevel

Since CheckUser wasn't conclusive and Atdevel denied being ATC, it's probably best to leave it unless more behavioral evidence surfaces, in which case I suggest filing a WP:SPI case in the future if it's still a concern... —PaleoNeonate – 02:17, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

User:PaleoNeonate: Thanks for the advice. I value your opinion as an experienced user. I kind of did file a complaint here, but I'm not sure if that's the same as filing an SPI complaint against him or not. I thought there was a ton of behavioral evidence. What more do I need, a confession? Your advice on the matter is much appreciated. As I'm sure you can see, I'm having a bit of difficulty navigating this by myself. --Wikiman2718 (talk) 02:25, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

Yes that's what already resulted in a CheckUser being run so I don't think a SPI report is necessary at current time. It's not even certain that user will keep editing considering the long hiatus... If you see another apparent sock soon then if filing a report for it, a mention of this suspect (or others if any) in that report could be included, in case CU results link them. Behavioral evidence alone can be enough, but it requires a certain level of evidence, like restoring or deleting content what previous socks also did and possibly other factors like writing style, articles edited, etc. There also are tools like that sometimes help. —PaleoNeonate – 02:35, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

User:PaleoNeonate: Thanks for the tool. I'll check it out. --Wikiman2718 (talk) 02:48, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

A user with sufficient geeky skills will be able to sock in a way which blindsides checkuser, but any such savvy user is probably not going to expend the time and effort to do so, just to burn off a sock by filing an inept SPI against you that was obviously never going to go anywhere, like Atdevel's SPI. I think Occam's razor is better applied here. Alexbrn (talk) 03:06, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

A user might, if they had a history of socking (I of course have no one in particular in mind). These things can be learned through experience, and I'm sure sleeper accounts are cheep. --Wikiman2718 (talk) 03:22, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

For this reason WP:SPA is usually taken in consideration when evaluating consensus at RFCs, deletion discussions, etc. —PaleoNeonate – 03:48, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

On "history" I wouldn't want to assume a user's behaviour is set by how they edited as a child newbie, many years ago. Alexbrn (talk) 03:52, 3 September 2020 (UTC)