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June 2019

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you violate Misplaced Pages's no original research policy by inserting unpublished information or your personal analysis into an article, as you did at Rumi. - LouisAragon (talk) 19:05, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

Hello, So please tell me how I am gonna have to proceed if I want to edit something which is not correct? I mean you never tell me anything about the content of my edits which are in nearly all of the cases a correct decision by me, you are just telling me to stop editing. How should I edit things in a proper way, explain me please. Xerxes931 (talk) 21:18, 12 June 2019

Misplaced Pages is written using reliable sources. You did not add a source which states that Rumi was "Tajik". This core policy (using reliable sources) counts for every addition or change you want to make on Misplaced Pages. Best, - LouisAragon (talk) 19:29, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

"So please tell me how I am gonna have to proceed if I want to edit something which is not correct?" : First off, Something "no correct" according to whom ? You ? on Misplaced Pages we go with what reliable sources say, not with users opinions.

Secondly, please keep in mind that Misplaced Pages works primarily with consensus, so you have to discuss your changes on articles talk pages and, especially when you're reverted, follow WP:BRD. Thanks.---Wikaviani 19:50, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

@LouisAragon I assume that you are familiar with Iranic ethnic groups and the history of Greater Iran. So let's just start with the basics about the "Tajik" ethnic group. You can also just read the Misplaced Pages article about them if you are not too familiar with it but the fact is that "Tajik" is a term that became common around the year 1000 in the region of Greater Khorasan for Persian converts to Islam. During the reign of the Ghaznavids the term got more common and it is still present till today in Afghanistan and Central Asia. So looking at that Tajik and Persian are, or at least used to be, synonyms. But the thing is that with the time the terms "Persian" became more common for Persians in modern day Iran to call themselves, while in the east the term Tajik was put through. Therefore being Tajik and Persian is not a contradiction but Mawlana was from the east, Balkh, Greater Khorasan, modern day Afghanistan and Persians of that region are more commonly referred to as Tajik, that's why I just wanted to put the Tajik behind the Persian in brackets and not replace it completely, because Mawlana was indeed Persian but specifically a Tajik.

"According to the Encyclopaedia of Islam, however, the oldest known usage of the word Tajik as a reference to Persians in Persian literature can be found in the writings of the Persian poet Jalal ad-Din Rumi. *3 The 15th century Turkic-speaking poet Mīr Alī Šer Navā'ī also used Tajik as a reference to Persians."

An example for the usage of the word Tajik in Persian literature is, for example, the writing of Sa'adi: شایَد کِه بَه پادشاه بگویند ترک تو بریخت خون تاجیک

Šâyad ki ba pâdšâh bigoyand Turke tu birext xune Tâjik

It's appropriate to tell the King, Your Turk shed the blood of Tajik" *1

"Iranians soon accepted it as an ethnonym, as is shown by a Persian court official's referring to mā tāzikān "we Tajiks"." *2

*1 Ali Shir Nava'i Muhakamat al-lughatain tr. & ed. Robert Devereaux (Leiden: Brill) 1966 p6
*2 (Bayhaqi, ed. Fayyāz, p. 594).
*3  C.E. Bosworth/B.G. Fragner, "Tādjīk", in Encyclopaedia of Islam, Online Edition: "... In Islamic usage,  eventually came to designate the Persians, as opposed to Turks  the oldest citation for it which Schraeder could find was in verses of Djalāl al-Dīn Rūmī ..."

Best regards Xerxes931 (talk) 23:35, 12 June 2019

April 2020

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to violate Misplaced Pages's neutral point of view policy by adding commentary and your personal analysis into articles, as you did at Sart and Kabul Province, you may be blocked from editing. Wario-Man (talk) 04:11, 30 April 2020 (UTC) @Wario-Man: Excuse me? The source used for the quote is simply putting its own interpretation of the word Sart in there .The actual quote from the Baburnamah, a primary source, is distinguishing between Sarts and Tajiks and mentioning them both in different context, the source needs to be get fixed to the Baburnamah itself and the quote accordingly to. --Xerxes931 (talk) 04:37, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

This is the quote from that source:

In the country of Kābul there are many and various tribes. Its valleys and plains are inhabited by Tūrks, Aimāks, and Arabs. In the city and the greater part of the villages, the population consists of Tājiks.*

Which you falsified it in this edit and removed sourced term "Tajiks" (with a false edit summary, POV). Move your mouse to that blue "*" in the source and its says "Sarts". That's what that cited source says. Do you have a reliable and verifiable source for your claim? --Wario-Man (talk) 04:49, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

@Wario-Man:Yes the sentence in the Baburnama itself is saying Sart and not Tajik. Babur mentioned the Persian-Speakers in the Ferghana Valley and in the in Kabul as Sarts. However he also mentions "Tajiks" living in the the out and other districts in Kabul, so he distinguishes between Sarts and Tajiks. Here is the actual quote from his own memoirs: "There are many different tribes in the Kabul country ; in its dales and plains are Turks and clansmen and 'Arabs ; in its town and in many villages, Sarts ; out in the districts and also in villages are the Pashai, Paraji, Tajik, Birki and Afghan tribes. In the western mountains are the Hazara and Nikdirl tribes, some of whom speak the Mughuli tongue."(https://www.rarebooksocietyofindia.org/book_archive/196174216674_10154956195296675.pdf Page 207) --Xerxes931 (talk) 08:41, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

"Rare Book Society of India" is a personal website and does not pass as WP:RS. However, I tried to use Wayback Machine to see if that PDF file is reliable content or not, and WM failed to save/archive too. Download/Save does not work. Find a legit source; e.g. from Google Books, Encyclopedias, or academic sources; something verifiable. --Wario-Man (talk) 05:00, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

@Wario-Man: Look I have the physical copy of the Baburnama on Farsi at Home and it says Sarts, however I will try to find you something from google books. Nonetheless you can also check the footnotes of the current source which is used in the article source it says “Tajiks*“ When you click on the star it tells you itself Sarts. Edit here you go, page 128: https://books.google.de/books?redir_esc=y&id=VW2HJL689wgC&q=Tajik#v=snippet&q=Tajik&f=false Sart as in Persian-speaker, Tajik as in a ethnicity inhabiting some outer districts of Kabul and villages --Xerxes931 (talk) 13:56, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

May 2020

I'm writing this post to extend my gratitude to you for improving the quality of pages related to Afghanistan. I recently began editing WP and came across many of your valuable contributions to the articles on WP. I hope you continue with your valuable contributions

Regards An IP. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 43.245.8.21 (talk) 18:39, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

43.245.8.21 Thank you so much! I always try my best to add sourced and valuable information, I will definitely try to continue that. Best regards --Xerxes931 (talk) 19:35, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

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May 2020

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Dari and Tajik language

• Don't add your POV and unsourced stuff to articles like what you did here. Even if you have some reliable sources for your claims, such edits do not belong to the intro or first paragraph of lead section. They should be discussed/explained after the intro or in the related sections.
• Take your concerns to the talk page. Open a related section there. e.g. if you think the citation is unreliable, you should discuss it or remove the whole stuff (both sourced text + the source itself). --Wario-Man (talk) 14:25, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

User:Wario-Man Okay I will just remove the sourced text and the source itself, as the statement from the source as a whole is too controversial. Regarding the part with Tajik: The language was called Farsi until the Soviet period, thus in the context of being used for the Farsi dialect up there, its a political term invented by the Soviets. Source: http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/tajik-ii-tajiki-persian "Persian speakers of the region came to be called Tajiks, in contradistinction to Turks, but their language was still called fārsi ‘Persian’ until the Soviet period. in accordance with Soviet nationalities policy, an ethnic Tajik Soviet republic was established, and a literary language called “Tajik” was engineered on a vernacular base close to the Uzbekized spoken Persian of Bukhara and Samarqand" --Xerxes931 (talk) 14:45, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

Takhar Province

Hello, I saw you remove my edits on takhar province regarding the ethnic makeup. Look at the original sources put there, they are either random or dont work. Im myself from afghanistan and have spend several years in takhar, baghlan, kunduz, panjshir,parwan, samangan, balkh, herat, kabul, farah, nimruz, bamiyan, jalalabad, kapisa, ghazni and logar province. It is hard to get any sources on the ethnic makeup of afghanistan, however i am putting these numbers from my own experience. Takhar is a tajik majority (between 70-90%) but on the[REDACTED] page uzbeks are shown as a majority, this is ubsurd and false (it seems it was either put originally by uzbek or pashtun nationalist). hope you have understood. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1DHNK1 (talk • contribs) 10:33, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, I understand your issue, there was never a proper census in Afghanistan. However that applies also to you adding numbers there because you don’t have a source for them either. I agree with Takhar, it’s obviously majority Tajik. You can write something like “the biggest part of the population is Tajik “ or “the majority of the population is Tajik” but don’t put any numbers in there since we don’t have any sources. For Takhar I will just let this be an exceptional case, because the source which was previously added for Uzbeks being the majority was only about one district and not all of Takhar, for the others please don’t add anything else, you can remove numbers which seem “absurd” or wrong to you and don’t have a source and replace them by just naming the ethnicity’s living there, but don’t add any numbers to them as your personal experience doesn’t count as a source, I am sorry. Xerxes931 (talk) 12:47, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

No problem. Ill keep that in mind for the future — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1DHNK1 (talk • contribs) 02:16, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

Meaning of the word Kanake

Hello there. I see you have changed my edit regarding the word "Kanake". Do you have any credible links to back up the change you made. The word Kanake refers to people from mainly Turkey (or other non Christen, ethnic groups from mostly Asia minor) M.BUTOI 20:20, 28 July 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mario Butoi (talk • contribs)

Appreciation post

I've been reading some of the WP articles and have found your contributions to some of these articles as highly constructive and neutral such as the edits made by you to this page Zamindawar, and others. I am writing this post to appreciate your efforts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.50.95.57 (talk) 09:52, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

Hindu Kush talk

Under the comments section, Zakaria1978 added his "oppose." As his view was listed in the body, and he added his "vote" at the bottom, i went ahead and included my "vote" too. You should consider doing the same. Alishernavoi (talk) 23:29, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

User: Alishernavoi I also saw that, does he expect it to make his vote count double or something ? I mean we can still see his username, but sure I can do it too if you want me to Xerxes931 (talk) 11:55, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Map of Central Asia

Your new version is some kind of POV-pushing and it's unnecessary when there are already other maps that include Afghanistan. When did you get consensus for your new revision?! --Wario-Man (talk) 06:17, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello Wario-Man, my map is not POV pushing as there are countless of sources including Afghanistan in Central Asia, however it’s not included in every definition and also considered a link between Central and South Asia, hence why it’s done in a lighter colour. What do you think about opening an RFC regarding the topic? Best regards Xerxes931 (talk) 11:29, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

Thank your for the message

Hello Xerxes,

Thank you for checking up with me, I am doing fine. Hope your free days and independence Day went well. I have messaged/email ed you. I do not know whether it worked --Casperti (talk) 13:13, 4 September 2020 (UTC)