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Thanks Graeme! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mdainko (talk • contribs) 22:08, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

Archived discussion still continued by The writer of Methyl hexanoate

Hi Graeme. It seems you archived Methyl Hexanoate discussion. I wanted you to help here. Thanks.Nihaal The Wikipedian (talk) 14:02, 25 August 2020 (UTC) Please fix the Properties or add it. Nihaal The Wikipedian (talk) 07:49, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

That page still needs more references from suitable sources. I added the Chembox Properties template. It uses parameters like C=6 N=2 ... Graeme Bartlett (talk) 11:42, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

I have found a problem in Methyl hexanoate. DMacks has constantly been reverting my picture uploads. The first one I can forgive but the second time,I uploaded a good sized photo but still the user reverted it again. I suspect edit warring for this, please suspect any problem.Nihaal The Wikipedian (talk) 14:55, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

@Nihaal The Wikipedian:He's not edit warring but trying to be helpful. The space-filling picture should not go top right on the article page but be within the chembox, as I've already mentioned on your user page. DMacks also thought that the picture was poor owing to the way that some C-H bonds were depicted and I agree (Graeme, see ). Michael D. Turnbull (talk) 16:24, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

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Nereistoxin, cartap etc.

Hi Graeme. I have just created a page for Nereistoxin after looking at the current very scant one for Cartap. I decided that there are a number of minor insecticides that were commercialised but are propesticides for the parent natural product. Would you be good enough to take a look at the new page and give it a rating on its talk page? I now want to create a redirect from Cartap to Nereistoxin, effectively removing the present content of the former. Is it OK just to edit Cartap to make it a redirect page now, or is there some special mechanism that should be used in this case where the old page has existed for some time? Thanks. Michael D. Turnbull (talk) 15:37, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull: Under WP:Bold you can just go an change that article to a redirect. The old article may be required for attribution for those other websites that copied the text. But that is OK in the history. I see you have preserved ChemBox values, so that was good, and preserved what was of value in the article. Cartap could eventually become an article if it included production and manufacturing, and its own peculiar history of use. But as it stands you may as well redirect it. If you do redirect, change the talk page to say redirect instead of stub. Happy editing. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 22:21, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

 Done Thanks for the advice. Michael D. Turnbull (talk) 10:00, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Quick Question

I had recently asked for a refund of Draft:2034 in film and Draft:2035 in film. However, I had noticed that it had been restored with the initial edit by an IP and deleted for hoax. Can the two pages be deleted and restored without the IP edit? Starzoner (talk) 21:11, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

 Done @Starzoner: Graeme Bartlett (talk) 22:09, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

Nomination of .585 Gehringer for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article .585 Gehringer is suitable for inclusion in Misplaced Pages according to Misplaced Pages's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/.585 Gehringer until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

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David Fravor

Can you userfy this for me if there is something worth keeping there. Valoem 16:59, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

• Userfied – the page has been restored to the userspace at User:Valoem/David Fravor. Although deleted for lack of context, it was quick to find a Washington Post page, so not that obscure. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 21:43, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

1,2-dioxolane

Where is the style guide that says 1,2-Dioxolane should be capitalised? I'm not saying you're wrong, but it looks wrong to my eye. Compare 1-dimensional space, 2-port network. SpinningSpark 12:40, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

@Spinningspark:I'm not sure there is a style guide on this (Graeme will know) but in general all chemicals, whether synthetic like pyridine or natural products like threonine should be lower case in sentences. However, all chemistry articles in WP capitalise them in article titles. Hence the article will be 1,2-Dioxolane for consistency but you should only find 1,2-dioxolane elsewhere. Incidentally, the same is sort of true for 1-dimensional space which gets redirect to One-dimensional space Michael D. Turnbull (talk) 13:02, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I'm talking about article titles, specifically, Graeme's move of this page. It's not self-evident to me why the "D" is capitalised when it is not the first character of the title. If the argument is that specific chemical names are treated differently from general practice then there should be a style guide saying so. The non-specific ] is not capitalised. SpinningSpark 13:14, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

What do you mean "the same is sort of true for 1-dimensional space which gets redirect to One-dimensional space"? Neither page capitalises "dimensional" so how is that possibly comparable? It is using lowercase, not uppercase which is why I pointed to it. SpinningSpark 13:16, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Just typing 1,2 or 1,2,3 or more-or-less any other number into the WP search box shows that all the capitalised pages are chemicals, which suggests this was something agreed many years ago. Michael D. Turnbull (talk) 13:20, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

{{tps}} WP:MOSCHEM/NAME#Prefixes in titles, which is consistent with ACS and othe style-guides regarding that letter as "the first letter" for whatever capitalization rules apply in a given use-case. That rule does not seem to be well followed for biochemicals, so maybe WP:MED has its own standard, or no standard? There's always work to be done on WP. DMacks (talk) 13:22, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks DMacks for answering the query while I slept. We also keep the lower case redirect so that it can be linked from use of the name in a sentence. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 21:40, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Tadeusz Kondrusiewicz (disambiguation)

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Draft:2036 in film

Hi, Its been a week since I last asksed about drafts but can i ask for the page to be deleted and resorted without the IP edits? Thanks in advance. Starzoner (talk) 13:57, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

 Done Graeme Bartlett (talk) 22:09, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Self requested block

Hello, will you be willing to block me for a period of two weeks due to PTSD in rl, please remove all my rights (Including extended confirmed) to avoid issues if my account were ever to be compromised. I will rerequest the rights from you if I am back. Thank you for your consideration. Megan Barris (Lets talk📧) 10:27, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

Creation of Marina Bondarko model page

Hello, I've found an article which is not on Misplaced Pages, it is Marina Bondarko model related article.

There are many references of Marina Bondarko on Google.

I've found one reliable source of reference, it's wedding 21 Korean magazine , march publication, do check it out.

Actually I'm new I can't write articles directly, so I told you. I think you can create this article within 5 minutes. Satyapreneur (talk) 19:37, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

@Satyapreneur: You can start a draft at Draft:Marina Bondarko. For biographies I recommend that you find 3 references with substantial content. Another venue is WP:RA to ask for someone to write a title. I prefer not to write about living people, as Misplaced Pages has extreme bias towards the living. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 21:35, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

Ben Lamb (disambiguation) move to Ben Lamb

Can you move the disambiguation and disambiguation talk to Ben Lamb? Valoem 08:50, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

 Done Graeme Bartlett (talk) 22:08, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, can you also restore the talk for this Juan Pablo Camacho? Valoem 10:34, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

 Done Graeme Bartlett (talk) 11:01, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Can you userfy this Lauren Parsekian or restore it? Valoem 23:22, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

• Userfied – the page has been restored to the userspace at User:Valoem/Lauren Parsekian. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 23:27, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Landfall Games

Hi Graeme. On September 7th, you restored Landfall Games, an article I created in March 2017, then realised was unnotable, and finally sent to G7 in April 2018. An IP user requested the undeletion with this rationale :

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This was their only edit, ever, and the one they performed was likely an erroneous test edit, given that they did not edit the request at all (not even the page name ). I was only notified of the article's restoration today and I still stand by my assessment that Landfall Games is not notable enough for Misplaced Pages (WP:NCORP, et al.), even if regrettably so. The article also remains in the very poor shape I did not get around to fix years ago. If possible, please delete the article again. Otherwise, it should be incubated in draftspace. This is clearly not mainspace content. Regards, IceWelder 19:32, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

With most of those restoration requests nothing gets done, and the rationale provided is just the default text, with no effort to say why. IPs are much harder to contact especially if they are dynamic. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 21:07, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

Either way, the current article is not (and probably never will be, due to lacking notability) suitable for mainspace, hence why I had it deleted more than two years ago. If it was up to me, I would tag it for G7 again, but I doubt that this is possible twice. IceWelder 21:22, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Philophrosyne (moon) § WP:WEASEL vs WP:PROMO

@Graeme Bartlett:  You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Philophrosyne (moon) § WP:WEASEL vs WP:PROMO. OrderOftheNerds (talk) 04:34, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Zohaib Shams

Regarding Draft:Zohaib Shams it was clearly unambiguous advertising or promotion and User:Materialscientist has deleted it as such. Theroadislong (talk) 11:23, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Well I will say that User:Materialscientist is careless, but I will not undelete it. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 11:35, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

I'm not sure what else it could be apart from advertising? It was just two external links to his photography pages with no pretence of being a draft article. Theroadislong (talk) 11:45, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

It was a POC, but not really enough there to be an ad. It could have been expanded to an article. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 12:54, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Phosphorus trifluorodichloride geometry

Hi Graeme,

Could you check the source for the phosphorus–fluorine bond-lengths in this chemical? If the Cl are equatorial, then one F is equatorial and two F are axial, which would make it unlikely the P–F bonds are all the same length. DMacks (talk) 16:05, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

I added that bit on so that the article could have a reference, but I have found the right numbers now. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 06:08, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks! DMacks (talk) 06:15, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

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Donald MacKay

I tagged this article hoping to have it renamed to Donald McDonald Mackay, as this was the way his name was rendered, and looks a little odd, as he had a pastoralist brother named Donald MacKay. It took me some time to prove this was the case (see under Family) as I have never come across living siblngs having the same (first) given name, but I am now certain of it. Did I use the wrong template? Quite possible as I've only asked for this service once before. Please reconsider. Doug butler (talk) 15:14, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

@Doug butler: Well I moved it now for you. You should have put the speedy delete tag on the page to replace by this, ie on Donald McDonald Mackay. However you have changed your mind about the "Mackay" part, which before was "MacKay". So let me know if it is K or k. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 21:48, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Graeme. My last-minute edit was unfortunate as I thought I had it wrong, and I was wrong about that. I then thought, no matter. I'll move it and automatically create a redirect, but you were ahead of me. Doug butler (talk) 00:15, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Same-sex marriage userboxes

In addition to !voting in the relevant MfDs, you have acted to subvert consensus by manually adding the userbox to your userpage.

Now you are making WP:INVOLVED admin actions to decline speedy deletions of User:Techie3/onemanonewoman and User:Techie3/marriagebox. I'm not sure whether CSD should apply, but someone else should do it. Clearly you took away from that MfD only that the code cannot exist in those specific locations, but it is acceptable anywhere else. That is problematic, but less problematic than declining the CSD yourself. Please self-rv. — Rhododendrites \\ 04:24, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

What I do with these speedy deletes, is that if they hang around for 24 hours with no other admin taking action, I then remove the tag. It appears that admins looking at the speedy delete queue were not interested in deleting or declining these. I do not agree that the consensus in the MFD was delete, and that was closed in error. All these deletion nominations are creating a toxic editing environment and the MFD and sd's should really be left alone. I will however let you add the speedy delete tags again to the User:Techie3/* pages without action from me, so that another admin can consider. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 05:42, 28 September 2020 (UTC)