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== The Israeli victory should be removed from the results ==
== The Israeli victory should be removed from the results ==
Israel did not achieve any hi this is mahmohd military victory except its siege of the third Egyptian army on the west of suez canal on the other hand Egypt achieved a victory by demolition of Bar Lev line and taking over of the eastern bank of the canal, so how it is said that Israel gained a victory. the war results is closer to a draw ] (]) 07:28, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
Israel did not achieve any military victory except its siege of the third Egyptian army on the west of suez canal on the other hand Egypt achieved a victory by demolition of Bar Lev line and taking over of the eastern bank of the canal, so how it is said that Israel gained a victory. the war results is closer to a draw ] (]) 07:28, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
: There seem to be several reliable sources for this. Demolition of Bar Lev and taking over the east bank is ], that is, of course, a victory for Egypt. And if Egypt had kept it, maybe it would have been something between draw and victory for Egypt. But as later Israel broke the defense lines and captured some piece of the east bank and some territories on the west bank, it can't be called Egyptian victory. Maybe something between Israeli victory and draw. Don't forget also about the Syrian front that is clearly a victory for Israel. --] (]) 06:55, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
: There seem to be several reliable sources for this. Demolition of Bar Lev and taking over the east bank is ], that is, of course, a victory for Egypt. And if Egypt had kept it, maybe it would have been something between draw and victory for Egypt. But as later Israel broke the defense lines and captured some piece of the east bank and some territories on the west bank, it can't be called Egyptian victory. Maybe something between Israeli victory and draw. Don't forget also about the Syrian front that is clearly a victory for Israel. --] (]) 06:55, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
::: let's get into an academic and non ] discussion regarding this point. It's an extreme point of contention and dispute every year on the 6th of October on all Arab Broadcasting outlets the fact that Misplaced Pages lists the results as: Military Victory for Isreal while reading the entire article there just does not seem to be any indication there was a victory so decisive to be quoted in such an assured way in the headliner, at most it could be said to be a Military victory for Isreal if based upon the number of casualties and for Egypt if based upon acquiring the strategic intent of initiating the war or something of that nature.
::: let's get into an academic and non ] discussion regarding this point. It's an extreme point of contention and dispute every year on the 6th of October on all Arab Broadcasting outlets the fact that Misplaced Pages lists the results as: Military Victory for Isreal while reading the entire article there just does not seem to be any indication there was a victory so decisive to be quoted in such an assured way in the headliner, at most it could be said to be a Military victory for Isreal if based upon the number of casualties and for Egypt if based upon acquiring the strategic intent of initiating the war or something of that nature.
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Reanalyze the extent to which this conflict was, in fact, a victory for Egypt. (By forcing peace through a position of power Egypt achieved its primary objective of regaining control of the Sinai (this is a backwards read of the reality. egypt lost its bargaining position by its loss of its patron the soviet union, and was instead forced to negotiate for the sinai and recognize Israel. this meant a major loss of prestige and it's ejection from the arab league)).
Point to peace initiatives:
From Sadat in 1971 and in February 1973 - They both were rejected by Golda Meir's government leaving no choice to the Egyptians to get in the war.
From Golda: On 28 February 1973, during a visit in Washington, Golda agreed with Henry Kissinger's peace proposal based on "security versus sovereignty" : Israel would accept Egyptian sovereignty over all Sinai, while Egypt would accept Israeli presence in some of Sinai strategic positions.; The Rabin Memoirs Sadat refused this proposal.
Yitzhak Rabin (1996). The Rabin Memoirs. University of California Press. p. 215. ISBN978-0-520-20766-0. security versus sovereignty"...Israel would have to accept Egyptian sovereignty over all the Sinai, while Egypt ,in turn, would have to accept Israeli military presence in certain strategic positions.
Archive 1 - Includes discussion of whether the article title is POV, and a poll concerning page move to Arab-Israeli conflict of October 6–October 24, 1973. Outcome of poll was 0/15/1.
Archive 2 - Includes discussion of whether the article title is POV, and a poll concerning page move to 1973 Arab-Israeli War. Outcome of poll was 8/30/0.
Archive 3 - Includes discussion of whether the article title (and the article itself) is POV, casus belli, number of troops, and various other things.
The Israeli victory should be removed from the results
Israel did not achieve any military victory except its siege of the third Egyptian army on the west of suez canal on the other hand Egypt achieved a victory by demolition of Bar Lev line and taking over of the eastern bank of the canal, so how it is said that Israel gained a victory. the war results is closer to a draw MOHAMED TARIQ MOHAMED HEGAZY (talk) 07:28, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
There seem to be several reliable sources for this. Demolition of Bar Lev and taking over the east bank is Operation Badr, that is, of course, a victory for Egypt. And if Egypt had kept it, maybe it would have been something between draw and victory for Egypt. But as later Israel broke the defense lines and captured some piece of the east bank and some territories on the west bank, it can't be called Egyptian victory. Maybe something between Israeli victory and draw. Don't forget also about the Syrian front that is clearly a victory for Israel. --Oloddin (talk) 06:55, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
let's get into an academic and non POV discussion regarding this point. It's an extreme point of contention and dispute every year on the 6th of October on all Arab Broadcasting outlets the fact that Misplaced Pages lists the results as: Military Victory for Isreal while reading the entire article there just does not seem to be any indication there was a victory so decisive to be quoted in such an assured way in the headliner, at most it could be said to be a Military victory for Isreal if based upon the number of casualties and for Egypt if based upon acquiring the strategic intent of initiating the war or something of that nature.
So, let's discuss it, how are wars decided in terms of history and loss? Numbers of casualties, numbers of victorious battles, acquiring land, or achieving goals set prior to starting war? Answering that question would directly lead to a correct answer on what should be put on the headliner Result. In terms of sources, I can gather you about 100 acceptable sources claiming absolute victory on both sides, so acquiring sources after we know what's Misplaced Pages's policy or the standard encyclopedia policies of stating war victors, should be the least of our concern, it's a highly debated and sensitive war thus "reliable" sources are abundant claiming both stories, that will not be an issue. So how are war results drawn for Misplaced Pages War articles? Especially ones that are historically proven to have been ended in a stalemate and both sides gaining particular victories and many losses, and in wars where the end comes by an international intervention rather than simple annexation of a state by another where debates would be futile. What's "military" victory anyway? Why doesn't it say Victory like all war articles? How was that conclusion drawn, and are there any other ways of being victorious that militarily in an international armed conflict? But again, I am an Egyptian and might be perceived as biased, so let's discuss it academically and factually, how are war conclusions drawn, when we do so, we can clearly edit it for the correct statement whatever that will be. Dr.EbrahimSaadawi (talk) 09:39, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
Israel did not achieve any military victory except its siege of the third Egyptian army on the west of suez canal on the other hand Egypt achieved a victory by demolition of Bar Lev line and taking over of the eastern bank of the canal, so how it is said that Israel gained a victory. the war results is closer to a draw Sherifff Ashrafff (talk) 10:15, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
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The figure of 180 Cuban dead and 250 wounded is the exact same figure that appears for Cuban casualties in the infobox for the War of Attrition. Can someone work out which is which?--RM (Be my friend) 21:21, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
This one. From the source cited "Cuban troops returned to the front when an Arab coalition led by Egypt and Syria launched an offensive against Israel in October 1973. Known as the Yom Kippur War ... the Cuban forces on the Golan front reportedly suffered casualties of approximately 180 killed and some 250 wounded (Ra’anan, 1981)." Gog the Mild (talk) 22:11, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
However, Ra'anan, who is cited as the source states that no Cuban troops were present for the Yom Kippur War,(Page 36) and gives these casualties for the War of Attrition.(Page 37) So I am removing the Cuban involvement from the infobox, pending anyone coming up with a reliable source. Gog the Mild (talk) 22:26, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
Faulty information
There are two different stories on your website
First story stating that Israel won the war against Egypt in the English language.
Second story that the Egyptian army was sieged by the Israeli army as the Israeli army failed to invade Suez and Ismailia cities and this was known as Operation Abirey-lev that is in the Arabic language.
I believe you have to change the false one so you can be a trusted source of information. Farida bey (talk) 01:29, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
Dubious information in Events leading up to the war'
The '20000 Soviet advisors' expelled were actually regular servicemen of an anti-aircraft unit of Soviet Union. Also, the claim that Egypt only got air-defense material is contradicted in a previous paragraph, by mention of planes, tanks and missiles acquired from USSR. The claim that Soviet advisors were expelled from Egypt is questionable - and has been questioned in 'The Soviet-Israeli War' with various sources. There is evidence that Soviet troops were present in Egypt during the war. The section needs a rewrite. Teerthaloke102 (talk) 12:10, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
It appears that Soviet regulars - the air defense crew - left Egypt in 1972. They left as they tranferred control of the air defense system to Egyptian military. Two seperate sources- air defense expert Murzintsev and General Gareev - said that new advisors were arriving in Egypt - according to the former for replacement. Also, USSR continued supplying all types of weapons till and during the war. GeorgeCray (talk) 12:54, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
Correction of Israel's victory in the war Israel did not win the war
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Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Cabayi (talk) 12:47, 19 February 2020 (UTC)