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Sources are given from highly pro LTTE sites..Since most of their information is flawed and bias,I really don't think we can take them seriously..Provide neutral sources.Thanks--Iwazaki 16:32, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Please don't remove the POV tag..The only source given is Tamil Nation and that's certainly not WP:RS..If anything, please remove the article,not the tags.--Iwazaki 04:58, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

The only neutral source seems to be Sri Lanka monitor report..But the word "Nagerkovil" doesn't even appear their !! Please don't take Misplaced Pages for granted..If you have any problem with giving citations, You should seriously think about removing the whole article.But I hope you will be able to find neutral sources and come with them ASAP.Till then please stop removing my tags..Thanks --Iwazaki 05:38, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

I dont agree with hoax, that is to call me a liar and to mis represent what that tag is supposed to be, so I will remove that. Thanks RaveenS 05:42, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Also this is what it says In September, students and teachers of Nagarkovil Maha Vidyalayam school commemorated the death of students seven years ago. On 22 September 1995, the Sri Lankan Airforce bombed the school killing 34 children and wounding 150. The Sri Lankan government denied that the school was bombed. I hope you are reading what I am reading. ThanksRaveenS

Also I dont understand your request to be ASAP And the Tamilcanadian is a secondary source of many primary sources including this gem from Sri Lanka monitor The British Refugee Council, Sri Lanka Monitor reported: "Hours after the Sri Lanka government imposed military censorship on press reporting of its bitter and unpredictable war... on 21 September, aircraft bombed a Jaffna school yard crammed with 750 children on their lunch break, killing 34 and seriously injuring over 150 others.This is not readily availble in the web but can be received from them via fax. So if you want to remove the Tamilcanadin source I urge you to take it to admin next and I apretty sure of the outcome. ThanksRaveenS 07:09, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Raveen, whether you like it or not the term HOAX best describe this article for several reasons..The incident happened in 1995 and So far you have failed to give a single new paper artcle regarding this..And Yes, I don't think any site with the name TAMIL in it can be considered as a WP:RS .I have seen loads of crap from Tamil net,Tamil canadian ,Sangam and else..So don't bring it them here..Also, I have reasons to suspect the Sri Lanka monitor too..It looks specious too.It says "The British Refugee Council established the Sri Lanka Project in December 1987, on the request of international NGOs". .so this is certainly not a international recognize organization nor a recognise News Paper..Furthermore, there is a problem with the name too..While you call this Nagerkovil massacre, They have it as Nagarkovil. Strange isn't it ?? Raveen, I will remove all the bias sources and yes I will put back HOAX tag..Thanks--Iwazaki 16:47, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

I have, as a problem resolution process invited neutral editors to solve this problem, let's see what happens, I will escalate it all the way till we take a decison on your statements as made above. Thanks RaveenS 17:49, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Use of Misplaced Pages "Hoax" tag

Although it is clear that the information presented in this article is highly controversial, the "Hoax" tag is not appropriate. The "Hoax" tag is for identifying fraudulent articles for deletion. But web searches (see also "Nagarkovil") indicate that a lot of people outside of Misplaced Pages believe that an event like the one in the article took place, making it notable. Even if conclusive evidence were to come forward that this incident was manufactured for propaganda (e.g. Nurse Nayirah), it would be all the more important for people to be able to read about it on Misplaced Pages.

It's true that most of the sources for this story are partial to the Tamil side of the related conflict. But bias does not disqualify a source according to WP:RS: "If an author has some reason to be biased, or admits to being biased, this should be taken into account when reporting his or her opinion. This is not to say that the material is not worthy of inclusion, but please take a look at our policy on Neutral point of view." WP:NPOV notes, "All editors and all sources have biases."

Accordingly, the Tamil position should not be reported uncritically. The article could also be improved by including non-Tamil sources. Along these lines, I was able to find this statement from Human Rights Watch:

On September 22, as the army launched a major offensive on the Jaffna peninsula, the government imposed censorship curbs on war-related reporting, citing national security concerns and fear that reporting would inflame communal tensions. Those restrictions were lifted for foreign media four days later, but curbs on the domestic media remained in force. Among the first stories to be subjected to these censorship requirements were reports that on September 21 and 22, heavy shelling and aerial attacks by government forces on the northern Jaffna region had killed some seventy civilians, including many school children. A Reuter news story from September 23, which noted that the army had denied the incident, also indicated that the story had been "subjected to military censors, who deleted quotes from civilians on the reported deaths of twenty children."

This would help to explain the rather one-sided coverage. If the official denials could be sourced, that would go a long way towards adding balance to the article. -- Shunpiker 20:03, 7 January 2007 (UTC)