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*'''Oppose''' Articles like ] get an article a small village in the middle of Syria, Ben Shapiro is obviously much more noteworthy then a random Syrian village and it has a large amount of citations of a popular figure (Ben Shapiro) therefor we must conclude the article is noteworthy. ] (]) 10:16, 21 December 2020 (UTC) *'''Oppose''' Articles like ] get an article a small village in the middle of Syria, Ben Shapiro is obviously much more noteworthy then a random Syrian village and it has a large amount of citations of a popular figure (Ben Shapiro) therefor we must conclude the article is noteworthy. ] (]) 10:16, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
:] This is a tricky issue it does seem this is notable enough to include of page we certainly include much more obscure articles, ] is an example. However does every single talk show deserve it it's own page? I don't really know, I am generally a maximalist on pages however I am conflicted onto this you do make some good points however. Also welcome, I see you are new to Misplaced Pages be neutral and help contribute. ] (]) 10:16, 21 December 2020 (UTC) :] This is a tricky issue it does seem this is notable enough to include of page we certainly include much more obscure articles, ] is an example. However does every single talk show deserve it it's own page? I don't really know, I am generally a maximalist on pages however I am conflicted onto this you do make some good points however. Also welcome, I see you are new to Misplaced Pages be neutral and help contribute. ] (]) 10:16, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
*I'd say that a merger is the best option because ] is extremely short, and this article could benefit from being longer. The show's notability is just tied to Ben Shapiro, but even if the show is notable in a larger way, it's notability can still be adequately covered in this article. '''Support''' ] (]) 15:16, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

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Simply change it from "conservative" political commentator to right-wing political commentator XXXNerdSlayerXXX (talk) 20:25, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

LGBT Section Shapiro/Tur interaction is mischaracterized.

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In the LGBT rights section the following sentence is misleading.

"After Shapiro repeatedly referred to Tur, who is a trans woman, with male pronouns, she placed her hands around his neck and threatened on air to send him "home in an ambulance".

It should read:

"After Shapiro repeatedly referred to Tur, who is a trans woman, with male pronouns, she placed a hand on the back of his neck and threatened on air to send him "home in an ambulance".

The original sentence makes it sound like she was threatening to choke him. You can watch the interaction on YouTube. She placed one hand on the back of his neck and made the statement after he called her "sir".

 Already done -ink&fables «talk» 10:46, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
Additionally, I made an edit to the same section. Shapiro referred to Jenner with male pronouns, not to Tur. The heated exchange between Shapiro and Tur began when he referred to Tur as "sir". The cited sources say the exact same thing so I did not modify the sources. -- zaiisao 06:44, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

“far-right... Breitbart News”

Whilst the use of this descriptor is also present in the article for Breitbart, its use here is also worth discussing separately. The source seems somewhat dubious, as a quick Google search will reveal sources tend to describe the site as right-wing. The contention of this phrase is not worth importing into this article; readers can and ought to click on the hyperlink to find out more about the outlet. thorpewilliam (talk) 00:17, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

@Thorpewilliam: Hello. There have been long discussions of this at the Breitbart TP (something like 10 RfCs). The consensus is that Breitbart is considered a "far-right" news source. However, I completely agree with your sentiments that the descriptor is not relevant in the lead of this BLP. You're correct; users can easily click on the wikilink to learn about Breitbart. This article is not about Breitbart--it's about Shapiro. Why do you think we don't label Ami Magazine as an Orthodox Jewish publication or label Daily Wire as a right-wing source in this article? There's no dispute that those labels are not accurate, however this article is not about Ami Magazine or Daily Wire, so it's not necessary to add those extraneous qualifiers. Some logic should apply to the Breitbart descriptor. Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d (talk) 06:40, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
@Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d: I agree entirely; well said.

Propose Merge From: The Ben Shapiro Show

I propose a merger from The Ben Shapiro Show and redirecting that article here. Actually the content seems pretty well merged already, the podcast doesn't seem to be independently notable from Shapiro, and it barely rates a paragraph, the content of which is in this article under "Host" and a tiny bit in "Political Positions" anyways. The page for The Ben Shapiro Show appears to have been created as promotional content containing mostly mentions to self-awarded awards and promotional ad copy links (links to Daily Wire, "Westwood One", "iHeartRadio Podcast Awards") from companies involved in producing or transmitting it, which is not allowable under WP:PROMO IHateAccounts (talk) 19:13, 13 December 2020 (UTC)


I would have to disagree. As this is a broadcasted copyrighted podcast that is also televised, it exists as a separate entity to Ben Shapiro. Many other shows and podcasts are available as separate articles such as the very famous "Joe Rogan Experience" and almost every other televised broadcast. Events that happen on broadcasts should be recorded and made publicly available as a separate entity to a person's biography page. Anon 21:29, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Noting that the above "Anon" was IP-hopping on US Air Force addresses or proxies, trying to remove this proposal and then leaving the comment as "131.13.100.86" then signing it as "138.163.106.72", and also deleting other comments/proposals and leaving some nasty personal attacks as "131.13.100.66" . IHateAccounts (talk) 17:10, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Retracted per nom, seems like the Show is completely based around Shapiro. Vallee01 (talk) 07:25, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose. One of the most popular podcasts in the country like The Daily of The New York Times, and a nationally syndicated radio show. Fulfills WP:GNG. Loksmythe (talk) 06:03, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose It's been around for awhile now and has been near the top podcasts in the recent future. Has a large audience as well as being nationally syndicated broadcast. Vallee01 The show is not based around Shapiro. There is no evidence that supports this claim. The show is advertised as a political commentary and is not a blog. Even if it was, considering its status it wouldn't even matter. By your logic all shows that center around a single host i.e. "The Michelle Obama Podcast", "The Joe Rogan Experience", "Conan O'Brien Needs a Friend", etc. should be merged. Also, from the looks of it, it appears that all of the awards and other content was removed by IHateAccounts anyways. As the page looks right now, there is no self promotion. Only a link to the website of the podcast which is permissible under WP:PROMO "External links to commercial organizations are acceptable if they identify notable organizations which are the topic of the article". Yesornooridk (talk) 17:14, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose Articles like Tal-al ward get an article a small village in the middle of Syria, Ben Shapiro is obviously much more noteworthy then a random Syrian village and it has a large amount of citations of a popular figure (Ben Shapiro) therefor we must conclude the article is noteworthy. Vallee01 (talk) 10:16, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
Yesornooridk This is a tricky issue it does seem this is notable enough to include of page we certainly include much more obscure articles, Tal al-ward is an example. However does every single talk show deserve it it's own page? I don't really know, I am generally a maximalist on pages however I am conflicted onto this you do make some good points however. Also welcome, I see you are new to Misplaced Pages be neutral and help contribute. Vallee01 (talk) 10:16, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
  • I'd say that a merger is the best option because The Ben Shapiro Show is extremely short, and this article could benefit from being longer. The show's notability is just tied to Ben Shapiro, but even if the show is notable in a larger way, it's notability can still be adequately covered in this article. Support Funtoedit1212 (talk) 15:16, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
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