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CC/RCC

We aren't getting anywhere again and I fear my presence may be causing more harm than good. Feel free to ask for my opinion, but I think resolution will be speeded by my withdrawl from the debate. Best wishes, -- Secisek (talk) 22:12, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Hi

Hi Nancy, I am currently working on article Pope John Paul II and I was looking for a ‘fresh pair of eyes’ and for help on the article. Your name was mentioned by Casliber in a discussion on my talk page, as someone who may be interested to ‘chip-in’. So I thought I would invite you to take a look, and possibly give me your opinion(s) and advice, which would be most welcome. If you could spare the time, I would be most grateful. Kind Regards, Marek.69 12:27, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Sure, I know a lot about PJPII, I have read his biography and a couple of his books. NancyHeise 18:21, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

That's Great. Your knowledge will come in very useful to improving the article. I'm trying to check out all the facts on the page at the moment. Thank you Marek.69 21:15, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Hi Nancy, I changed the wording of the lead, as you suggested, but could do with your input (and references) to get it just right. Kind Regards. Marek.69 16:45, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Hi - I also have started working on JPII ... we're trying to bring it up to GA. I was wondering if you'd considering voting at the WikiProject Catholicism Collaboration page, as we're trying to get some extra eyes/opinions involved. Thanks a lot! Can-Dutch (talk) 05:13, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Hi Nancy, I thought you might be interested, Pope John Paul II is now at Peer Review. Please see: Misplaced Pages:Peer review/Pope John Paul II/archive2 -- Marek.69 02:54, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Seminary

So I found out that the training for the priesthood consists primarily of sleep deprivation, eating tasty junk food and watching Batman and other Christ-like figure movies lol. Gabr-el 02:53, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Gabrel, I am very interested to know about your seminary experience. I hope you will feel free to share it all with me as you go through it. I told my kids about you and we keep you in our prayers. God bless you! FYI, I make my kids watch a "Jesus" movie now and then, sometimes I watch them as I cook dinner and if they want to watch TV at that time, they are stuck watching a Jesus movie. My favorite ones are "Jesus" starring Jeremy Sisto (I love the Jesus and Mother Mary in that one) and "Jesus of Nazareth" starring Robert Powell (I love the Mary Magdalene, Saint Peter and Pontius Pilate). The first movie has the greatest scenes of Jesus with Saint Peter and the latter has the greatest scenes of Mary Magdalene and Mother Mary with the body of Jesus after he has been taken down from the cross. That last scene of her really brings home her suffering to me and I always think that watching these movies are just as good as any Lectio Divina. I hope you get necessary sleep and proper food. NancyHeise 00:31, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Wow, thank you for all your prayers! The difficulty of making the sacrifices remains, but God provides me with answers in my everyday experiences. Yesterday the Bishop arrived and gave me and the four other seminarians a small lecture about the Priesthood and why one becomes a Priest. So far not much theology, that will be left a little later. I am still an undergraduate, but I am going to be taking Philosophy and Theology. My rite uses Scholastic Aramaic, or Syriac, in its daily prayers so the Priest is currently teaching us how to read and write it. I will do my best to get the sleep I need! God Bless you and your family!!!!! Gabr-el 00:51, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

OK, well I am not an ordained priest but I am going to give you some theology: When you go to be a priest, you can not rely on other people to provide you with what you need. You have to say "Jesus, I trust in you." at those moments when you think you just can not go on. Repeating Saint Paul's words "I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me" is an act of faith that opens the doors of grace which allows God to send you the help you need in whatever form he chooses.

Personal story: I have been a volunteer and member of the Board of Directors at a local soup kitchen for many years (I retired from the board a few years ago). The founder of the kitchen died a few years ago, his name is Jimmy Rotonno, he won Governor Jeb Bush's Points of Light Award the year before he died. This man was a World War II veteran and a successful entrepreneur who retired comfortably. One day, he was driving down the road and saw a homeless man on the corner and said to himself "Why doesn't that bum get a job?" When he went home, he sat down and had a religious experience of Jesus telling him "Feed my people". He started the soup kitchen with his own money and that of some society people who helped him out too. The kitchen does not sell anything and does not hold any fundraising efforts. It has happened on occasion that money ran very low and there was some wondering among board members if the ministry could continue. Jimmy would pound his fist on the table and say "This is God's ministry, if he wants it to continue, it will continue." Lo and behold, some stranger would donate a huge sum and the kitchen would continue on. Once, there was no food to feed anyone and it was about time to open. Some volunteers wanted to go to the store quickly and get something to feed people but Jimmy would just say "The Lord will provide." As soon as he said that, a truck pulled up full of meals to hand out. This kind of thing happens all the time there. I can see now that if God has called you to do something, he is able to work a lot of good if we just keep saying "Jesus, I trust in you." (I have his picture with those words at the top of the staircase in our home. NancyHeise 01:21, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Omnio Pro ChristoGabr-el 02:39, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Just on the topic of Jesus films. Have either of you seen the silent 1929 King of Kings, directed by De Mille? Forget the first scene with Mary Magdalene and the zebras. But the rest of the film is awesome - and a sign of what the 1960s epic King of Kings could have been if De Mille had survived to direct it. Xandar 02:22, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Xandar, I'll have to check that one out now. My kids have never seen a silent one. NancyHeise 14:30, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

I saw the talking version of King of Kings. Gabr-el 20:59, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

The "talkie" version isn't nearly as intense as the silent version. I've always thought it an enormous pity that Cecil B De Mille died before he could remake King of Kings himself, as he remade The Ten Commandments. The Jesus films of the sixties; King of Kings and The Greatest Story Ever Told, just seemed tired, plodding and "going through the motions," compared to earlier films that had more "faith" in them. Xandar 00:30, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

PS. You may have heard a story that illustrates what I said about the sixties films. I'm not sure how true it is... John Wayne played a cameo as the Centurion at the crucifixion on TGSET. He said his line: "This man surely was the Son of God." very flatly. The Director pleaded, "Say it with awe, Duke." Wayne then is supposed to have said: "Aw, this man surely was the Son of God." Xandar 00:41, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Too funny! I'm sure he meant no disrespect. NancyHeise 19:33, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm cracking up ;)!!!!!!!!! As for the seminary experience, lol, maybe I should just get a video or something lol. Gabr-el 22:23, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Im on the far right: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=1443830&l=ecc52&id=507283644 lol facebook I know but who cares.Gabr-el 20:44, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Neat picture! Thanks for sharing that with me. How's everything? NancyHeise 20:59, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Good, adoration helps A LOT. Gabr-el 23:05, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

I hope you also have some hobbies and enjoy other things besides Church. Remember PJPII had good friends (even women friends) that he spent time with and he often went hiking and spent time outdoors. If we don't enjoy the things God gave us to enjoy we can become very dull and boring and unhappy. The best priests are those who are well balanced men. A priest I know likes Agatha Christi books and spent time learning new languages as well as jogging and sailing. Another priest I know who works in a high school goes to Mexico every summer to work in the Indian missions and brings volunteers with him each summer. Another one is an avid scuba diver. NancyHeise 23:17, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Of course! Lol Gabr-el 02:55, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

http://www.kaldu.org/2009/01/Jan28_09E1.html - All the Bishops of my rite visited the Pope and they mentioned the opening of the first Chaldean seminary outside of Iraq - wooow, I'm famous without them knowing my name!Gabr-el 03:37, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Hi Gabr-el I visited the link and paged through the St Peter's diocese info as well as viewing the pope's meeting with the US bishops. I have to admit that I did not know much about the Chaldean Catholics in the US until meeting you. I hope all is well with you at the seminary. I pray for you. God bless you. NancyHeise 17:31, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

God Bless you, your Husband and your Children. Gabr-el 01:53, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Re: comments

Good morning, Nancy. You left a comment at the USS Iowa FAC concerning the use of Jargon. I left a reply that would require a little teamwork between us, but I haven't heard back from you in nearly a week and was growing concerned that you may have forgotten about this particular post. I have come to ask if you would review your comment and my proposal and then update your comment accordingly so that I can determine whether or not I need to come up with a plan B. TomStar81 (Talk) 08:08, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for reminding me, I stuck my comment after seeing that shakedown was appropriately linked. NancyHeise 19:45, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

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		Be it known to all members of Misplaced Pages that NancyHeise has copyedited the article USS Iowa (BB-61), and in doing so has made an important and very significant contribution to the Misplaced Pages community, thereby earning the Copyeditor's Barnstar and my deepest thanks. Keep up the good work! TomStar81 (Talk) 23:19, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the kind words. Incidentally, your suggestion in the FAC has been transferred to the page User:TomStar81/Iowa class battleship featured topic work group, where a suggestions been made that those working on the Featured Topic push look into this and see if your copyediting for Iowa can be carried over to the other three completed battleships. God will, in a few months, the ad-hoc group will be credited with the first ships exclusive featured topic. Until then Nancy, take care and God bless. TomStar81 (Talk) 20:39, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

I never knew there were featured topic work groups - I learn something new here every day - neat! I hope it all works out, ping me when you put it another article up for FAC and I'll come by to take a look. NancyHeise 15:56, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

RfC

Hi Nancy, I'm sorry I've been hit and miss on here (very busy in real life). I'll try and respond tomorrow. I saw your other post and have just been too busy to read through the whole document. Apologies--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 06:30, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Mike, whatever help you can offer is much appreciated! NancyHeise 06:32, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Mediation?

What is this business of a "Request for mediation" on the "officially known as" dispute? What does it entail? Before I sign up, I would rather like to know, who mediates, on what basis, and what procedure is involved. Xandar 00:03, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Okay. I've looked into it myself, and signed up. Xandar 17:20, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Sorry I was busy and totally forgot! Gabr-el 19:57, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

About time. I doubt the accusation of sock-puppetry is valid though, both account have history, one of them has been editing since 2007. Hopefully, we can get this resolved and be done with it again for a time. -- Secisek (talk) 23:31, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

I just popped in to, uh, use the 'pedia, and saw your message. If something 'happens' requiring attention, you may need to use the email function to flush me from my burrow. Shenme (talk) 07:37, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Heh! Welcome back from the burrow! NancyHeise 18:37, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Request for mediation accepted

A Request for Mediation to which you were are a party has been accepted. You can find more information on the case subpage, Misplaced Pages:Requests for mediation/Roman Catholic Church. For the Mediation Committee, Ryan Postlethwaite 21:40, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Great! Hopefully we can resolve this issue and move on. NancyHeise 18:43, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Regarding Gimmetrow's two sources:

Unflattering book review by Saturday Review of Literature of one of Gimmetrow's sources see page 173. This is not a reliable source as this review states that the book contains inaccuracies. This is the actual page of the other source written by a Lutheran who also claims on the same page that the Catholic Church today is not part of the Catholic Church before the Council of Trent, obviously a fringe POV theory and also not a reliable source NancyHeise 18:26, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Criticism article

Nancy, I've been drawn in to a debate of a contentious section of the RCC Criticism article. (I've tried to avoid that page, but the History area does need sorting out) Its all at Talk:Criticism of the Roman Catholic Church. If you have time perhaps you could have a look in and perhaps make suggestions. Xandar 12:34, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Xandar, I'm sorry I have not been able to help there, I have company visiting for the week and as you know, yesterday was the Superbowl so I have been doing a bit of entertaining. It looks as though you have the help you need from others though. NancyHeise 17:37, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

American football is a mystery to me. It goes on for hours, and they keep stopping every thirty seconds for a chat! Xandar 16:29, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Heh! Its a mystery to me too, which is why I can never go to an actual game, I need to watch it on TV so the announcer can tell me what is happening and explain it with replays! :) I was not much of a fan until the Miami Dolphins started to come back from the slump of last year. For some reason I found myself rooting for them to win and looking forward to the next game. My husband and my son were mystified that I was actually watching a game with them. NancyHeise 17:07, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Ten Commandments

How about "The Ten Commandments in Catholic moral teaching"? Another question: Would it be better to add something about the numbering (CCC 2066), which would puzzle those who use a different numbering? Defteri (talk) 17:11, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I plan to clean up the references to the Catechism but I wanted them there so I could then create a ref for them. I don't like the name you suggest, I think it is too long. Do you have anything more concise to suggest? NancyHeise 00:34, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

I REALLY have to congratulate you. How in the world did you put togheter such a comprehensive article on the Ten Commandments? Wikimedia should pay you! --Againme (talk) 04:44, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! I teach religious education at my church as a volunteer and I really like my Misplaced Pages hobby! NancyHeise 19:09, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

By the way, I created today Project Rachel because I saw the red link in your article. May be you would like to help expand it. Regards. --Againme (talk) 02:30, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, that is an important part of the Catholic pro-life movement and healing ministries. I will try to find a good ref to help expand that page as time permits. NancyHeise 12:02, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks and suggestion for a biography

Hi Nancy. I just wanted to say that I really appreciated your comments on the Calvin FAC. I also believe that the RCC article (as well as many other articles on the Catholic Church) should become FAs and I really salute your great efforts. For awhile, I reflected on whether I should go to the university library and help out on the RCC article. In the end, I decided that the nature of Misplaced Pages makes improvements in articles on major religions and theologies to be nearly impossible (too many controversies). Maybe I am too pessimistic, but that's why I had concentrated on biographies (e.g., Calvin rather than Calvinism, Cranmer rather than Anglicanism). So perhaps you may want to consider trying to bring to FA an article on one of the Doctors of the Church or a scholastic philosopher like Aquinas, Duns Scotus, or William of Ockham? I would certainly join you, so if you decide to go ahead, you are welcome to drop me a note. --RelHistBuff (talk) 16:45, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks RelHist! I do not share your pessimism on the possibility of bringing religion articles to FA nor do I consider the effort a waste of time and I hope you will change your mind and consider an FA on Anglicanism. I am presently working on The Ten Commandments in Roman Catholic theology, it is in peer review right now and I invite you to come have a look if you like. I intend to submit it to FAC afterward. Roman Catholic Church is in mediation over the name issue but I still have hopes for FA. I intend to keep trying! NancyHeise 16:54, 16 February 2009 (UTC)