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Use of swastika as tag image

Can some symbol besides the swastika be found for this stub? Mtsmallwood (talk) 06:07, 2 January 2009 (UTC) Copied from File talk:Nazi Swastika.svg by Scott5114

I agree that it should be replaced; the use of the swastika is regulated in Germany to only educational use. Using such an image in a stub tag seems rather gratuitous. —Scott5114↗ 09:09, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

I am no fan of the Nazis, but this symbol is unmistakeably associated with the topic and seems entirely appropriate in this context. Otherwise where do we stop: ban all flags and emblems of historic regimes we don't agree with? Surely a recipe for confusion at the very least. --Bermicourt (talk) 12:28, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

See your point but I think it was the sheer number of stubs with the swastika on it that was bothering me. So it's the use as a stub image I guess that is the narrower question. Let me think a bit and perhaps I can propose something constructive.Mtsmallwood (talk) 16:46, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Rightly or wrongly, Nazi-related subjects have always been popular which is probably why there is a plethora of stub articles. There is a fascination with the topic, which is fine if it helps us to ensure their particular chapter of history isn't repeated! --Bermicourt (talk) 17:42, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

This isn't germany and we aren't in the habit of banning images for no good reason. I would be worried if the swastika were being used in unrelated articles or on user/project pages. But in this case it is the most iconic image of the Nazi regime. What other image should be used? Maybe the Iron Cross but that isn't historically limited to the Nazi regime and also has some associated baggage. Protonk (talk) 23:15, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

There is no need to have the swastika used in the Nazi template. There is nothing wrong in having no image.  Dr. Loosmark  23:24, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

"I'm offended" is not a reason to remove something. Personally, I don't feel that running and hiding from historical images is useful either. If you can think of a better icon to denote articles related to Nazi Germany, by all means, propose them, but moral outrage alone isn't going to generate a lot of support for a change. Resolute 23:39, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

As a thought though, perhaps using the Nazi Germany flag logo () instead, which would be smaller and de-emphazise the swastika slightly, might help? Resolute 23:43, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

That's hard to see and therefore serves its purpose less well. --erachima talk 00:03, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

If we were to size it comparible to that of other nation stubs (i.e.: {{Canada-stub}}) it would work better. It's just a thought, though I doubt it would satisfy anyone hell bent against the use of the Swastika as a logo. Resolute 00:11, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Resolute seems to be right:

This article related to Nazi Germany is a stub. You can help Misplaced Pages by expanding it.

That looks right to me and might be more in line with other stubs about nations/regimes. Protonk (talk) 07:49, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

• File link is here. Protonk (talk) 07:50, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

As of now, four editors have backed that proposal, one opposed on ground of readability. I suggest we try it, and see if the shift provoked any reactions. --Soman (talk) 12:29, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

off with the swastika

I propose the removal of the swastika from the template.  Dr. Loosmark  23:16, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

• I don't. It's one of the most immediately understandable images in pretty much all mankind. This is the military equivalent of the golden arches. The point of the template is to show what the article concerns, and the swastika does that in spades. HalfShadow 23:22, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Any particular reason? I daresay it seems to me to be the image most associated in the public mind with all things Nazi, and thus best fit to do the job of communicating the message "THIS SHORT THING IS A SORT OF NAZI SHORT THING MAKE IT BIGGER WILL YOU". If not this, what? Some avant garde Albert Speer drawings? A tastefully abstracted Hitler 'tache? Skomorokh 23:25, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

About the only image I can think of that would be close would be the SS logo. Resolute 23:40, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Because we all know how inoffensive that is... Plus it's more specific, and thus less well-suited to a general Nazi Germany template. --erachima talk 23:48, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

• I strongly disagree with this proposal. This template is placed on articles related to Nazi Germany. The swastika is the most prominent symbol of Nazi Germany. It serves its purpose in this template, as an immediate visual indicator of what the article is about, excellently. Also, any image which served this purpose comparatively well (i.e. a mugshot of Hitler) would be equally if not more shocking to the easily offended. --erachima talk 23:27, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
• The image used is a cropping of the national flag used during the period of Nazi Germany. It is by far the symbol most strongly associated with Germany at the time, and it is factually correct. To substitute it with another symbol would essentially constitute historical revisionism, an attempt to rewrite history to make it PG13. What we could do is use the entire Nazi Germany flag (as suggested by Resolute above), which would make the swastika smaller, but I wouldn't see much point in that. --Soman (talk) 00:56, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
• The swastika is far and away the most easily identifiable symbol of Nazism. The image is a perfect conveyance of the information the template is supposed to give, immediately recognizable to most if not all editors and as such is the ideal option to visually categorize the stub. Nothing else even comes close. It's removal would subtract value from the tagging. Can not support this proposal. -- ۩ Mask 01:09, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
• I also have to object. If anyone was able to propose a suitable alternative, I'd support it, but honestly any suitable symbol would likely be just as bad. Anything that is easily connected to the Nazi party will always incite strong feelings in people, and that's not going to change any time soon. Sodam Yat (talk) 03:48, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
• No. Misplaced Pages is not censored. ɠǀɳ̩ςεΝɡbomb 04:33, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
• Another NO. I could argue for days the importance of the Nazi symbol, but at the end, this is not a legitimate proposal. We're not censored. Simple as that. We don't remove offensive images. Swarm 07:02, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

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