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Return request

My name is PumpkinSky. I used to be Rlevse. I love this project because as a child I read the hardcopy World Book Encyclopedia for fun. The 21st Century version of that is Misplaced Pages. I love learning new things.

I've devoted a ton of time and edits to[REDACTED] (see the appx 100k of my Rlevse edits). I worked hard to do the best that I could and tried to recognize the efforts of others with the “this is your day” program.

I edited from Nov 2005 to Nov 2010 as Rlevse. I can’t recall the numbers exactly as my pages were deleted, but I had about 15 FAs, 17 FLs, several GAs, and about 30 DYKs. I am most proud of helping save Medal of Honor from FAR because of the sacrifices of those veterans, Gilwell Park, Brownsea Island Scout Camp, William Hanna, and Joseph Barbera. In mid 2011 I was helping my friend BarkingMoon learn wiki. That whetted my appetite and love of wiki again. I came back as PumpkinSky in July 2011. As PumpkinSky I am most proud of the FL List of stutterers as I did it in honor of someone I know who suffers from that affliction and my work on WP:Montana articles—especially Yogo sapphire. Towards the end of that time I really enjoyed working on WP:NRHP articles. As PumpkinSky I had 1 FL, 2 GAs, and about 23 DYKs, with two DYKs still on the nom page.

I apologize to the community for presenting myself as a new user. I especially apologize to User:Casliber, my wiki friends, and those who have worked through the CCIs. I also thank those who worked the CCIs to improve the articles. I never plagiarized or paraphrased too closely on purpose. I honestly thought putting a valid ref at the end was enough. I accept responsibility for not knowing better. Allow me to take this opportunity to state that I’ve for years said wiki has always been terrible at educating users in practically everything. As PumpkinSky, I’ve been making a sincere effort to get better at paraphrasing/copy requirements. I feel this is shown by the results of the current CCI in which 13 reviewers have described with words such as “constructive”, “improvements”, “gnoming”, “helpful”, and “good”. I’m willing to help with that but keep in mind I’m not exactly wiki’s subject matter expert on the topic.

I ask User:28bytes to undelete my Rlevse user page and all its subpages. I ask the community to leave them alone as I merely want to get some info from them.

I will agree to these return conditions for one year:

  1. I wish to return as PumpkinSky. I will post a permanent note at the top of my user talk page that I used to be Rlevse.
  2. Five users have agreed to be mentors: User:28bytes, User: Ched Davis, User:Gerda Arendt, User:Montanabw, and User:Wehwalt.
  3. I agree to contact one of the mentors before submitting a FAC or DYK.
  4. I will endeavor to my utmost ability to avoid conflict with others. If such a situation does come about, I will contact my mentors and give justifiable reasons for offense/disagreement.

Going forward, if I am allowed to return, I would like to still focus on Montana and NRHP articles. I will not for at least a year nom a DYK without one of my mentors vetting it first. As for FAC, look at the Yogo article and the many people I sought to help on it. Several other people, not me, had the idea to prep it for FAC. I gladly accepted their help as I know I cannot meet modern FAC standards on my own. As for copy issues, see the talk page. I was reaching out to Nikkimaria to help get the article ready. It still isn’t ready but people tell me it’s close. I will not nom a FAC without several others, including Wehwalt, vetting it first.

I wish I had learned the copy issues better sooner. I was truly trying to get better at the copy issues and I think the current CCI shows that. I know that I still need help and I truly thank those willing to help me. I think I came back as another name to avoid the überdrama that I knew would occur, but it happened anyway.

That poor ability to handle feeling cornered did me in again. I apologize again. In real life and on-wiki I find it difficult to deal with situations where I feel cornered and I tend to withdraw. I apologize for making a decision to completely withdraw instead of sticking around to work things out. I will endeavor my best to be super-cautious about paraphrasing issues.

PumpkinSky talk 21:26, 14 February 2012 (UTC)


  • Support Strong points override errors and mistakes. I think PSky is willing to be a productive editor and will address any good-faith issues that are raised. As for having your friends mentor you, well, I would think it foolish to call upon one's enemies, eh? Some of the nominee mentors seem neutral, I haven't "met" them as far as I know. Sure, I'm a bit biased in PSky's favor, I've had a wonderful time working with PSky on the Yogo Sapphire article, it's one of the finest collaborations I've personally been involved with on wiki. And from Rlevse, I was awarded my own day! (And no, PSky did nothing to tell me that he had been Rlevse! ) I want him back; I'm not going to babysit everything he does,but I will respond to any request for mentoring -- and I am well-known for speaking my mind and having strong opinions! Anything that happened on the Rlevse account is now well over a year old and most misdemeanors (and even a lot of "high crimes" get sentenced to "time served." He was gone around a year, that's as long as any sort of block would have been, and all that without an actual "conviction." So I say, call it what you want, but declare it over. And if people like Moni or Sandy or Raul have specific concerns, or PSky with them, I say maybe they should take them to a specifically identified individual referee who will be fair to all (Hey! Mike Cline! You're good at that sort of thing!) and both sides must disengage from wherever the dispute is and work via the referee. Montanabw 00:03, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Should be on AN

This vote should be on AN, not on the user's talk page. Silverseren 23:30, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Why? --Moni3 (talk) 23:36, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
Interesting notion, but again why?, when Appealing a block and all associated guidance directs the user to do it on their talk page? --Mike Cline (talk) 23:38, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
Because AN is where unblock requests of general interest to the community are fielded. This is not your run-of-the-mill user asking to be unblocked, it's a former Arbitrator and Bureaucrat. The request should get the widest possible community attention. Beyond My Ken (talk) 23:40, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
 Done - Moved. Steven Zhang 23:43, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Agreed. Here we are more likely to get people partisan one way or another.---Balloonman 23:44, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

I am, however, going to unblock Pumpkinsky so that he can participate in the discussion at AN. He should note that, this is solely to participate in that discussion and until the issue is resolved, and deviations could result in re-blocking by any other admin and may jeapardize getting support in this request. I'm going on a limb for ya, so don't make me regret it ;-)---Balloonman 23:47, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
What's wrong with doing the normal process of copying over replies to the discussion? Silverseren 23:52, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
As pointed out above, we are dealing with a form 'crat/arbCOM member---so I'm showing him a little more respect that we might a typical vandal/problem user. Because of his former roles, prompt responses may be required and placement of those responses will be simplified by his ability to edit directly. I also suspect that this case can be more complex than some of the others because of his history. I also think this allows him to sink or swim in a more productive light. Am I going on a limb? Yes. But if he deviates, I have no doubt that somebody will slap him down and it would hurt his chances of being unblocked permanently. Finally, unblocking for purposes of responding to ongoing cases is not unheard of.---Balloonman 23:56, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
Anyway, this is the link: Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard#PumpkinSky return request, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:58, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
I agree the discussion is probably better at AN, but also that PumpkinSky/RLevse should be encouraged to contribute to it freely, as if it were on his talk page. I don't see this as being a matter of former status, but agree with the other reasons Balloonman gives. There are many questions related to this request and the way forward is through open dialog, rather than an impersonal approach. What we don't want is a polarizing (!)vote. Geometry guy 00:04, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Using proxies to hide identity

On further review, it is now apparent that you edited Misplaced Pages:Featured article review/History of merit badges (Boy Scouts of America)/archive1 and History of merit badges (Boy Scouts of America) using IP proxies. Your contributions there were mostly personal attacks, and disrupted the discussion. Do you have any explanation for your behavior?   Will Beback  talk  00:01, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Will, do you have any diffs or proof of this? Seems an ad hominum attack. Montanabw 00:06, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
Good mentoring.   Will Beback  talk  00:49, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
I believe the IPs he is referring to are Special:Contributions/66.240.210.102 and Special:Contributions/216.246.49.20. Correct me if I'm wrong, Will. Eagles 24/7 (C) 00:15, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
Those, plus many more.   Will Beback  talk  00:49, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
Whoever those IPs were who were posting on that page, Will Beback doesn't appear to have gotten along with them very well. Will, after that exchange, did you conduct an off-wiki investigation to find out who the IPs belonged-to? Cla68 (talk) 00:24, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
I'd like to hear from the user.   Will Beback  talk  00:49, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

If dogs could talk...

Woof
Welcome back, Pumpkin. Alarbus (talk) 03:11, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Copying within Misplaced Pages

Hi. While working on your CCI, I noticed that you copied text between Misplaced Pages articles. Copied content requires attribution to its original authors. The relevant guideline is WP:Copying within Misplaced Pages. I am fixing the existing copies, but it would be very helpful if you would use appropriate edit summaries like lead copied from ] going forward.

I know this is not the best timing, but I wanted to make sure that you saw this. Flatscan (talk) 05:12, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Flatscan, this is a trickier policy and one that is not well-known amongst many, many editors; I only became aware of it within the last year or so myself, and was searching for that guideline the other day without success because I wanted to post it on an article where some material was merged and moved. (Hope the merge redirect was good enough) I appreciate your posting the link. Montanabw 19:19, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
Agreed, I didn't know about it either.---Balloonman 19:26, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Withdraw the request to return

There is clearly no consensus by the community to allow me to return. I withdraw my return request. I've asked 28bytes to close everything out. Thanks to all who supported me but the community wish is otherwise. PumpkinSky talk 00:28, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

PS/R, own up to what you have/haven't done in the past---preferably sooner rather than later. If you own up to your transgressions now, people are more likely to forgive... if revelations are made when you try to come back, it'll be fresh on their minds and they'll feel deceived. Address the concerns. Keep your nose clean for the next six months, then come back and ask again. A lot of the people who opposed did so with the caveat that if you had six months without issues they would have supported.---Balloonman 02:32, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
Second Balloonman's comments. It was great working with you on Yogo sapphire, so I hope to see you back there. But Balloonman said it best. :D Good luck. Jessemv (talk) 02:46, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
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