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I have worked most on the entries health psychology, principally in June 2008, and City College of New York, principally in July 2008. I have also worked on the List of City College of New York people. More recently, I turned my attention to occupational health psychology.

In connection to OHP, I have begun to watch the psychology sidebar and the Template:Psychology.

Re: Health psychology

No problem, i fight the right :) --Aleen f1 17:26, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Health psychology

Occupational health psychology

Began work on occupational health psychology. It is difficult working alone. I hope some others pitch in to help construct the Misplaced Pages entry. Iss246 (talk) 22:25, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Blocked?

Hi, I saw this edit. I've just checked and this account is most definitely not blocked. Perhaps you tried to edit before logging in to your account? The Rambling Man (talk) 20:22, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Just to second that - I haven't ever blocked your account, nor has anyone else. If you tried to edit without logging in from an IP range which has been blocked, then you would not be able to edit, but you can get around that by logging in to your account. If you received a message saying "This IP address was autoblocked because it was used recently by banned user XYZ" please try again. The fact that you were able to leave a message on my talk page indicates that the block issue only affected you briefly, but if it is persisting we can assist in figuring it out. If you can't get a message through here or on my talk page send email to unblock-en-l@lists.wikimedia.org .

Thanks. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 18:21, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

City College of New York article

Hi. Thanks for your additions to the CCNY article. I hope you have Joseph Dorman's "Arguing the World" on tape or an excellent memory because, even though I saw the documentary way back when, I can't remember exactly that information. I can't find an online transcript of the documentary, either, to check about "Alcove 1", etc. Thanks. --- (Bob) Wikiklrsc (talk) 19:42, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi. You're very welcome and thanks for your kindest note. The article is looking very good. I've been editing that article for years now. :) Keep up the excellent work. Bests. --- (Bob) Wikiklrsc (talk) 23:39, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. Sounds good. But it's factual that the C train stops for CCNY, although it's still a dubious walk through St. Nicholas Park in the dark. People do it during the day. And they just moved the "Hamilton Grange" house, really and literally, into St. Nicholas Park from next to Steinman on Convent Avenue so there should be more tourists and safety in the park now. Bests. --- (Bob) Wikiklrsc (talk) 14:36, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Hmm. Got your note on the perils of the 135th St. Station and St. Nicholas Park as a path to and from it. Well, so be it. It used to be back in the day a major thoroughfare to CCNY on the hill, from the 135th St. Station. But that was the 1950s and 60s. They say the newly located Hamilton Grange will be brilliant. It's moved twice from its original location. It's better off in the park. Bests. --- (Bob) Wikiklrsc (talk) 17:15, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi. You've made a lot of edits to the CCNY article. One statement seemed like a non-sequitur: "The Free Academy had a framework of tolerance that extended beyond the admission of (male) students from any social stratum". What does it specifically mean and where is the statement supported by a citation? Where did it come from ? -- (Bob) Wikiklrsc (talk) 22:33, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

I see. Thanks for your note. But the text seemed like a non-sequitur, in situ. Will re-check. Best wishes. --- (Bob) Wikiklrsc (talk) 22:39, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

I just read the relevant parts of the Bender book. I will change the verbiage to perhaps flow a bit more. Thanks. --- (Bob) Wikiklrsc (talk) 22:52, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your kindest comments. I agree that we have worked well together. I did some more edits. Check them out. As far as the endowment of CCNY, it is a complicated issue. There are at least three different funds. I think the article's shown figure is vastly understated. For example, according to a 2008 report, just the "The Campaign for the City College of New York" which started in 2002 has raised to date "in excess" of 230 million dollars since 2002. Apart from that there is the "21st Century Fund" and the "City College Fund" etc. And private bequeathing. So it's all very complicated. Bests. --- (Bob) Wikiklrsc (talk) 18:34, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

And then there's money like the Grove Endowment, which Andy Grove of Intel and a CCNY alumnus, gave $26 million to the Engineering School in 2005. But it's the "Grove Endowment" for the Engineering School, now called "The Grove School of Engineering", of course. So it's hard to pin-point a single CCNY endowment figure. Even after looking though the Development Office pages. It's more than $230 million, that's for sure. --- (Bob) Wikiklrsc (talk) 19:45, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

None of the CUNY colleges are seemingly listed in the NACUBO Endowment Study 2007. Or in List of U.S. colleges and universities by endowment article. --- (Bob) Wikiklrsc (talk) 20:06, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your having a look at the refinement. I also noticed that Samuel Ruggles' 1854 pamphlet "The Duty of Columbia College to the Community" was a kickoff for the drama surrounding Dr. Gibbs' potential appointment at Columbia (cf. Bender, p. 271 etc.). Best wishes. -- (Bob) Wikiklrsc (talk) 00:23, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks for your message. Yes, in general, you're quite right. I've found in my years of Misplaced Pages editing that sometimes, some other editor will delete or move around some text I've written in the article where the "as mentioned above"/"previously referred to" etc. is no longer valid through no fault of my own. And when I get to it on my watchlist of 1,000's of articles, if I get to see the change, I will try to fix it. But sometimes I miss it and the article is left in slight relativistic disarray. So, I personally, have tried to avoid such phraseology. But feel free to change it back and I won't disturb your edit if you feel you can keep up with it in case someone changes it ! I personally try to avoid it just from being burned in the past. But the cost is redundancy as you've pointed out wisely. Best wishes and thanks. --- (Bob) Wikiklrsc (talk) 19:27, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Good and well done. Not every editor, especially anon's, are conscientious about looking out for such hints. Nevetherless, good work. Be well. --- (Bob) Wikiklrsc (talk) 19:54, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Hello again. The section in List of City College of New York people on "Prestigious Scholarships" seems to be altogether too recent and lop-sided, disregarding all the people from 1847, and maybe self-serving to those who put it in there ? Just an impression. Perhaps false. What do you think ? Best Wishes. --- (Bob) Wikiklrsc (talk) 21:29, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your kind comment on the edits I made. Your work on the CCNY article has been excellent, I might add. It's really a nice article. Some say a bit too long but it's fine by me. Best wishes. --- (Bob) Wikiklrsc (talk) 17:06, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

List of City College of New York people, companion piece to the City College of New York article

List of City College of New York people

Occupational health psychology

RE: Occupational Health Psychology

I wanted you to know that I've been adding about two sentences per day to the occupational health psychology entry. I can't work faster than that because I have a day job. My goal is to get the entry listed on the sidebar without any problems.Iss246 (talk) 02:39, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your message. I set up an RfC on the talk page to seek additional opinions. It will take a bot a couple of hours to finish setting it up, then in a few days maybe we'll have some more opinions.

I think you're doing an excellent job on Occupational health psychology, and I very much appreciate your additions. I should emphasize that my objection to including OHP in the sidebar has nothing to do with the quality of the OHP article. It pertains to my concerns about including a subdiscipline in a sidebar that (in my opinion anyway) should be very brief and only include the major disciplines in psychology. In any event, however, I think your additions to the OHP article are much needed, and the OHP article will give editors responding to the RfC more information on which to form opinions. Thanks for your contributions. Ward3001 (talk) 03:09, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Ward3001, any resolution on the matter of occupational health psychology moving to the sidebar? Iss246 (talk) 21:38, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

No response to the RfC yet, and without additional comments we have no consensus to make the change. All we can do is wait to see if others comment. Psychology issues, in my experience, typically don't attract a lot of comments unless they are extremely controversial (e.g., displaying a Rorschach image). But over time we might get some more people to express themselves. Ward3001 (talk) 00:12, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

The side bar is unbalanced. It includes sports psychology, which after a couple of years remains a weak entry. But the sidebar excludes the more solid occupational health psychology.Iss246 (talk) 02:19, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

You might want to raise the issue on the talk page for the sidebar if you wish to pursue that issue further. That having been said, I should point out an issue on which I think you and I are in fundamental disagreement (although I don't want to jump to conclusions about how you might be thinking). I get the impression from several of your comments that you feel the length (and perhaps quality) of the article on a discipline (or subdiscipline) should determine whether that discipline or subdisclipine should be included in the sidebar. If that is your thinking, then I disagree with you. The sidebar should reflect the prominence of the discipline in the world in general, not just how the articles stack up on Misplaced Pages. I don't think you will find much support for the idea that occupational health psychology is a more prominent discipline than sports psychology (although, as I've said, you're welcome to raise this issue on the talk page). There are a variety of reasons an article may not have as much length or substance on Misplaced Pages compared to other articles. Some of these may have little, if any relationship, to the relative positions of the two topics in the world outside of Misplaced Pages. For example, there are dozens of psychology-related articles to which I would like add and expand, but I cannot always do so because of lack of time. So, in summary, I don't think the size of an article in Misplaced Pages should be a determinant (in and of itself) of whether it belongs in the sidebar. If the "Clinical psychology" or "Social psychology" articles only had a couple of paragraphs, I would not argue against having them in the sidebar if my only basis was the length (or even quality) of their articles. But as I have said, you are free to raise any issue you wish on the talk page and see how others feel. Thanks. Ward3001 (talk) 02:32, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

I think measure for measure, you are just opposing me for the sake of opposing me

I suspect this sums up your approach to the issues of assuming good faith and the consensus process, so rather than getting into an argument with you, let me just say that your are wrong in this statement -- absolutely and utterly wrong -- but I doubt anything I say or do (other than stating that you can add OHP to the sidebar) will change your mind. And I also add that I am not the only editor who opposes inclusion of OHP, but you seem to have targeted me in particular. I'll also state that, even if I completely agreed with you, there would not be a consensus to make the change. So I'll leave it at that, and advise you to take up any additional concerns either on the sidebar talk page or in the usual processes for dispute resolution on Misplaced Pages. I don't say any of this with animosity, and I respect your opinion to disagree with me on anything, but I don't think further discussion between us is going to resolve anything at this point (I'm sorry to say). There are policies and procedures for handling differences of opinion on Misplaced Pages which I have not created (or even contributed to), and whether you agree with them or not, they must be followed. I don't want to assume anything about what you might do at this point, but I hope you will try to stay within those policies and procedures (for your sake as well as Misplaced Pages's) and not choose to edit war or be disruptive in your editing (and if that is not your style, I apologize for even wondering if you would engage in those behaviors). I have been in many battles over content on Misplaced Pages and have been on the losing end of many bitter disputes, but that is the way of Misplaced Pages. So I wish you the best and encourage you to continue making some very positive contributions to the project. I don't wish to discuss whether OHP should be in the sidebar any further except on the sidebar's talk page and a consensus begins to emerge. So please add any additional comments on that talk page instead of mine. Thanks. Ward3001 (talk) 17:24, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

I am concerned about the recent changes you made to the Psychology sidebar that reverted my edits made yesterday. No explanation was given for the revert. Since the policy with WP is to be bold (see WP:BB), my understanding is that the onus is more on an editor to explain why things should stay the same, rather than the editor to explain why they have changed. I've clearly waded into an area you seem passionate about, but it is important to not let one's passion for a topic obscure reasonable changes that would be most sensible for a broad audience. In my thinking, the sidebar should provide breadth over depth, so that readers can get a quick general overview of a field in a single starting place. You reverted a number of edits, so let me see if I can better understand what you found problematic. I added Biological Psychology and deleted Behavioral neuroscience and Neuropsychology. My reasoning is that both of the deleted terms are subsumed by the broader conceptual and methodological approach of Biopsychology. Granted, one can have a biological approach and do social, cognitive, or developmental psychology, but people who behavioral neuroscience or neuropsychology by definition are also biological psychologists. You deleted comparative psychology and cultural psychology, which I added. I am aware that these are more minor disciplines that the others that are listed, but they are disciplines that are not subsumed by other areas. A person clicking on one of the other subfields is unlikely to come across a link to these articles easily, if at all, which would seem to support their inclusion here. I deleted Psychophysics and Transpersonal psychology because these are not major subfields. People who study psychophysics are almost always cognitive psychologists. Transpersonal psychology seems a weak addition under the heading Basic science; Positive psychology is similar enough, and more accurately represents the terminology currently used in the field for the study of human flourishing. Under the heading applied sciences, I added consumer psychology and political psychology, two areas I have graduate training in. Both are applied fields with their own research journals and scholarly societies populated by psychologists of many stripes. Neither subfield is subsumed by other ones currently listed. I understand that legal psychology and forensic psychology are not identical, but the term I've heard most often is simply "Psychology of Law" just as one might say "Psychology of Religion." The link "Law" is broad enough to suggest both legal and forensic psychology, and the legal psychology page links to the forensic one. The last remaining issue, and the one that I'm betting is the most distasteful to you given your activity on the talk page, is the deletion of Occupational health psychology. I deleted this term not because I don't think this is an important subfield of psychology. You clearly have done a lot of work on the article for this area to demonstrate its importance to the field. My reasoning is simply that Occupational health psychology is subsumed by Health psychology. Not all health psychologists do Occupational health psychology, but by definition it would seem all occupational health psychologists do Health psychology. Since the point of the sidebar is to give people a broad overview of the field, this level of depth does not seem appropriate. In the Psychology template at the bottom of the page, you will see that Occupational health psychology has been retained. Since there is more room in that box and it provides additional depth that the sidebar does not, it would seem most appropriate for it to be listed there. I can completely understand why you would want to have a prominent link to an article that you have worked on with such care. I just hope that you'll see that by providing a link to it in the sidebar, you seem to be suggesting that it is comparable in scope to the others listed. It unfortunately isn't - it is an important specialty area of a broader subfield. This isn't a criticism of occupational health psychologists, just an attempt at consistency within the sidebar. Since the quality of one's arguments for changes to WP do not depend on that person's credentials, this is not particularly relevant to this discussion. But, if you are interested, I have a Ph.D. in social psychology, a publication record, and years of teaching experience - my recommendations have drawn on these experiences, though I have tried to remain as objective here as possible.Osubuckeyeguy (talk) 18:26, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

We had the debate about the psychology sidebar. OHP is not subsumed neatly under health psychology. It is autonomous field that developed out of at least three separate fields, I/O psychology, health psychology, and occupational health. It has become an autonomous field with its own conferences, journals, organizations, and books.Iss246 (talk) 23:01, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

I see that you have reinstated OHP to the sidebar. Since you didn't revert any of the other changes, and haven't replied to my comments about those other issues described above, I'll assume that those issues were not your primary concern (though I still don't know why the other changes were reverted - I would hate to think that you undid my entire contribution because you found one aspect of it distasteful). I don't disagree at all with your assertion that OHP is an autonomous field. However, by stating that it grew out of these other well-established areas, you seem to be making my point. OHP is a young field that has many parents. It may someday grow to be a significant part of the tradition of psychology, but it's not there yet. Having its own conferences, journals, organizations, and books suggests its autonomy, but does not make a strong case for its impact within the field of psychology as a whole. OHP is not currently a mainstream area in most university psychology departments. A quick search for programs that offer graduate training in OHP turns up roughly only 15 programs worldwide, with training ranging from course sequences and graduate certificates to master's degrees and PhD concentrations. The small number of schools granting advanced degrees in this area is a testament to its current limited scope. So, like many others on the talk page, I still think that OHP is best left off of the box at this point in time. However, I won't revert your changes because I think the inclusion of this field is a relatively minor issue for the sidebar as a whole. I'm content to let this go as long as my other edits are respected. Seem fair enough? Osubuckeyeguy (talk) 02:58, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

I did justify my views with regard to OHP being on the sidebar. I/O psychology is the descendant of social psychology and psychometrics. Having antecedents does not disqualify a subarea from the sidebar. I am neither supportive nor unsupportive regarding the other changes you made. I think we will hear from other Wikipedians regarding those changes.Iss246 (talk) 16:19, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I/O psychology is the descendant of social psychology, one of the primary research areas in psychology for over the last half century. Yet, even with that pedigree I/O remains one of the smaller subdisclipines and is constantly having to fight for its standing in psychology departments (e.g., the I/O program was cut at my research institution eight years ago). To acknowledge that OHP is a descendant of I/O is to illustrate how far removed the program is from the core disciplines. Still, it's not that having antecedents makes something a minor area, it is the relative size of its impact on the field. Behavioral Neuroscience is a younger discipline than OHP, but its relative impact has been tremendous. OHP is a young, growing field, and efforts by the APA and NIOSH will certainly add to its growth, but it's not yet a major area. Be careful not to mistake the act of providing justification for gaining consensus (which I still haven't seen that you've gained whenever this issue comes up). But, I'll say again, I think the inclusion of this field is a relatively minor issue for the sidebar as a whole. Osubuckeyeguy (talk) 18:06, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

RE: Recent Psychology Template edit

I think I may have balled up my attempt to undo a bit of vandalism (something like Roxy Socks was added by a vandal) to the Psychology Template. I am not positive, but I think I was editing about the time you edited the act of vandalism away. I either succeeded in editing the Roxy Socks addition out or unwittingly restored the addition that I wanted to delete. I didn't mean to get in the way of your edits. I feel the same opprobrium toward the vandals.Iss246 (talk) 00:39, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Not a problem. I reverted your edit, which restored things to the way the were before the vandalism. Thanks. Ward3001 (talk) 01:28, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Redirect page

This edit really wasn't the right solution; I've changed the page to a redirect page. Any time there's a misspelling or misnomer that is widespread or likely to be entered as a search term, it is prudent to make it a redirect pointing to the correct title. Michael Hardy (talk) 01:41, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

School shooting

Hi this is Marksdaman. I am writing to ask you not include the Bath School disaster as a school shooting. The Bath School was destroyed by explosives, Andrew Kehoe did not enter the school and fire at random. All I ask of you is to never again include the Bath School disaster as a school shooting, it was a school-related attack, not a shooting'. Thank you.Marksdaman (talk) 22:41 8 May 2009 (EST)

I received your message. I did not write about the Bath School disaster. If I entered comma in a sentence about Thailand, that is the magnitude of any change I made in the school shooting Misplaced Pages entry. The writing about the Bath School disaster came prior to my making an entry.Iss246 (talk) 20:50, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

My apologies

Hi this is Marksdaman again. I wanted to apologize for my mistake, Im sorry I wrote you about it. I guess I was just quick to assume because I've dealt with someone including the Bath School disaster as a school shooting so many times before. Again I am very sorry for the confusion. Thank you. Marksdaman (talk) 20:20, 9 May 2009 (EST)

Psychology side bar

There's a bit of a problem with using the subtitles "basic science" and "applied science" in the psychology side bar. It squeezes out perspectives that are not considered basic or applied science. Psychodynamic and humanistic perspectives are still extremely popular (especially in America) but wouldn't fit into either of these subheadings. If the subtitle was "perspectives" rather than "basic science" this problem could be avoided. ----Action potential 11:22, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Psych. sidebar and basic science title

In reply to the note you left on my talk page, I think that psychodynamics and humanistic psychology don't just fit under applied psychology. They are part of the fundamental aspects of psychology. Freud and Rogers influence cannot be dismissed. Both are regarded in the top 10 influential psychology theorists. There influence can be seen in fundamental aspects of social psychology, developmental psychology and personality psychology. They're approaches to psychotherapy (e.g. client-centered psychotherapy) are still prominent in clinical psychology. Apparently, there are still Psy.D in Psychoanalysis which was a news to me. My university is almost exclusively drive by rodent work and CBT. We still have a large social and developmental psychology school. The behavioural neuroscience school is the most well-funded though. I'm confused as to why the editors are so convinced that "basic science" is the most appropriate umbrella term for what most psychologists call research psychology or academic psychology. ----Action potential 10:56, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

I proposed on the fundamental science article that we move the merge the basic science (psychology) article there. There is a subsection on that page for medicine basic science. The term 'Basic science' is used in the same sense in both psychology and medicine. Actually the term is borrowed from medicine. I wanted to inform you given that you were the creator of that page which is currently only a stub and it looks more like a list than an article. ----Action potential 06:52, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

The problem with the Basic science (psychology) article that you've written is that all areas of psychology have both basic and applied research. Even organizational psychology has both applied and basic aspects. "Scientific aspects of I/O Psychology include both applied and basic science. Applied aspects are oriented around scientific solutions to human problems at work. Basic aspects are quite variable, following the investigator's interests. Examples include research on methods of behavioral measurement, communication, motivation, social interaction, and leadership. Source: The Science and Practice of Industrial and Organizational Psychology. The Society for Industrial and Organizational Psychology. Reprinted with permission." The same can be said for even behavioral neuroscience. Even the basic rodent work on fear extinction is often driven by application in say behavior therapy. At the same time the brain, neuronal and cellular level work contributes to basic science. ----Action potential 02:51, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Citation bots and school violence entry

I am a research psychologist who worked hard to improve the school violence entry. I entered the citations according to the style of the Publication Manual of the American Psychological Association. Is that wrong? Does Misplaced Pages have it's own specified style for citations? Thanks. Iss246 (talk) 20:41, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

No, you're right. Misplaced Pages does not have its own citation style. As per WP:CS#HOW the APA is a perfectly acceptable style, and WP:CS#Citation templates and tools generally frowns upon the practice of changing one citation style for another (ie. what I just did). I didn't notice that the article already had a consistent style for all citations before I template-ized them all. Feel free to revert me if you dislike the new style.—Gabbe (talk) 21:28, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Scandinavian Journal of Work, Environment & Health

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The current request for speedy deletion is not intended to delete the page, it is intended to make a correct page move possible. You created a page at the correct name and then cut-and-pasted the existing text from the incorrect title to this new page. This is against WP regulations. The license used by WP requires that the contributions of individual editors are recognizable and for this it is necessary that a page's edit history remains preserved and associated with the article. That's why a page can be moved instead of simply using cut and paste. At this moment, the old article cannot be moved to the correct title because you created a new page at that location. This has to be deleted. Once that is done, the old page can be moved to the new title, which is the correct procedure. I hope this explains what is going on (but I thought I had already been pretty clear in the edit summaries). --Crusio (talk) 15:29, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Scandinavian Journal of Work, Environment & Health

Please stop editing Scandinavian Journal of Work, Environment & Health. If you want to improve this article, for the moment you should do that at the old page Scandinavian Journal of Work, Environment, & Health. As I explained above, cuttang and pasting is NOT allowed. Once the cut and paste page (Scandinavian Journal of Work, Environment & Health) has been deleted, the OLD page (Scandinavian Journal of Work, Environment, & Health) can be properly MOVED to the correct name (Scandinavian Journal of Work, Environment & Health). I am not trying to delete this page, please try to understand what really is going on. --Crusio (talk) 15:49, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Moving pages

Moving a page correctly is actually rather simple, as long as the new target does not yet exist. Just click on the "move" tab on top of a page and the next screen is rather self explanatory. As soon as the "page without comma" is deleted, you can try this out yourself by moving the "page with comma" to the correct title. If you have problems, let me know and I'll do the move.

As for the deletion of the article, there is currently a big discussion under way on which journal articles are notable (i.e. should be included in WP). "Notable" in the WP sense is not synonymous with "meriting", "good", or anything like that. If a journal is at the center of a controversy because they published something wrong (like that journal -I forget the name- that published a creationist paper a few years ago), that would make the "notable" in the WP sense. On the other hand, a high quality journal is not necessary notable. I personally think that many journals are notable, Abductive feels that most journal articles should be deleted for lack of verifiable independent sources. My disagreement with him is not really fundamental, just that my bar is lower than his. This is a legitimate debate on WP and we just have to try to find some compromise somewhere that can garner enough consensus. If you are interested, most of the discussion can be found here. --Crusio (talk) 16:31, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Dollar sign

Just a note, the dollar sign is a symbol used for a large number of currencies, such as the US dollar, Canadian dollar, most variations of the peso, the Nicaraguan córdoba, and the Tongan pa'anga, as well as in place of the cifrão in many cases. A link to US dollars is much more beneficial than it is harmful. Grsz 05:31, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages is here to increase knowledge, and that link causes no harm. Reverting it is useless, and labeling it as vandalism is particularly inappropriate. Grsz 23:37, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

No, it isn't vandalism, read WP:VANDAL to see what that actually is. And I made no such edit to University of Guelph. The point is, the link causes zero harm and is only a benefit, increasing access between various articles here. That is the point after all. But hey, whatever, it's your time if you want to waste it to make some point. Grsz 02:52, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

No, I am not 68.80.200.60 (talk · contribs). I have an account, and no need/desire to edit using an IP. I simply saw your edit as unproductive and reverted it. Grsz 03:17, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

We are getting too close to minutiae. A dollar sign in front of the endowment for St. John's University's on Utopia Parkway in Queens, New York, USA represents U.S. dollars. A dollar sign in front of the endowment for Guelph University in Guelph, Ontario, Canada is in Canadian dollars. I do not oppose writing about NHL players' salaries and making the distinction between which nation's dollars go into the salary. But the business about university and college endowments is going to far down the road to representing minutiae.Iss246 (talk) 22:32, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

You wrote: Misplaced Pages is here to increase knowledge, and that link causes no harm. Reverting it is useless, and labeling it as vandalism is particularly inappropriate. Grsz11 23:37, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

In response to your last note: Sure Misplaced Pages exists to increase knowledge. Readers don't need to be told that a university in the U.S. uses U.S. dollars and not Nicaraguan córdobas. That would amount to patronizing users. Why not tell readers that in England, Oxford University uses British pounds sterling, and not Egyptian pounds! What are you engaged in amounts vandalism by minutiae. Why not include in Misplaced Pages what hat Britney Spears wore on Thursday. Meanwhile I corrected your change at the University of Guelph, which is in Canada and uses Canadian dollars.Iss246 (talk) 02:46, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

You wrote: No, it isn't vandalism, read WP:VANDAL to see what that actually is. And I made no such edit to University of Guelph. The point is, the link causes zero harm and is only a benefit, increasing access between various articles here. That is the point after all. But hey, whatever, it's your time if you want to waste it to make some point. Grsz11 02:52, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

The point is so many people make bad additions to Misplaced Pages. I like to undo vandalism and generally protect Misplaced Pages from bad additions. That is not wasting time. You are the one who wastes time with your minutiae. I want to make Misplaced Pages better. Maybe what you did is not vandalism in the sense that a writer enters a curse word in a Misplaced Pages entry. But patronizing users does not make Misplaced Pages better.

You are 68.80.200.60, at least earlier today or yesterday. You did enter the notion that the University Guelph uses U.S. dollars. You probably didn't realize it because you were chewing through universities and colleges at a rapid pace.

A benefit of Misplaced Pages is that it gives people an opportunity to learn something new. It is not the multiplication of minutiae that we all know already. Why not go to the Oxford and Cambridge Misplaced Pages entries to help readers not to mix up British and Egyptian pounds!Iss246 (talk) 03:04, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

I visited the Misplaced Pages style manual (http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_%28dates_and_numbers%29#Currencies). The style manual is consistent with my point of view.

This is what it said.

Formatting

Use the full name of a currency on its first appearance (52 Australian dollars); subsequent occurrences can use the symbol of the currency (just $88), unless this would be unclear. The exception to this is in articles related entirely to US-, EU-, or UK-related topics, in which the first occurrence may also be shortened ($34, €26, and £22, respectively), unless this would be unclear, and in places where space is limited such as tables, infoboxes, and parenthetical notes. When there are different currencies using the same symbol, use the full abbreviation (e.g. US$ for the United States dollar and AU$ for the Australian dollar, rather than just $) unless the currency which is meant is clear from the context.

I apologize for saying you made the change at the University of Guelph. I don't want to make more of the matter than it is worth, I simply don't want patronize Misplaced Pages users by adding unnecessary details. Best wishes.Iss246 (talk) 15:48, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Recent reverts to Lehigh University

Hi,

I noticed your recent reverts to the article Lehigh University concerning whether or not US Dollars should be specified for the university's endowment. I just wanted to refer you to the Manual of Style, particularly the section regarding currencies, which states that you should "generally use the full name of a currency on its first appearance (52 Australian dollars); subsequent occurrences can use the currency sign (just $88)." Furthermore, a quick glance at other university pages such as Harvard University, Yale University, and University of Pennsylvania show that all specify USD for their endowment (instead of just dollars). In light of both the manual of style and the way that the endowments are represented on other universities' pages, I am going to restore the page to state USD for the endowment, instead of just dollars. I do not feel strongly about the issue, as it seems like a very small detail to cause any wikidrama over, but I would appreciate it if you would open a discussion on the article's talkpage if you still disagree in order to avoid any edit warring.

Thanks --Aka042 (talk) 03:45, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Follow-up: After viewing your contributions I have noticed that you are making this change to a number of university pages, and another editor has also expressed concern with the changes. Please review the MoS Currencies link I posted above and let me know if you still believe USD should not be specified. In light of the MoS I would like to revert these changes you have made but will not do so until I hear back from you. --Aka042 (talk) 03:58, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Please stop making these wide-ranging unexplained edits against wp:consensus. Leave the US$ links in. There seems to be broad opposition, which has been abundantly explained. Please stop. I do believe that wp:vandalism and/or wp:edit warring applies in this case, as the disruption caused by widespread editing against multiple editors. - Sinneed 02:49, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Response to Sinneed: I explained the edits. The edits are consistent with Misplaced Pages's Manual of Style (http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_%28dates_and_numbers%29#Currencies)

This is what the Manual said.

Readers don't need to be told that a university in the U.S. uses U.S. dollars and not Nicaraguan córdobas. That would amount to patronizing users. Similarly readers don't need to be told that in England, Oxford University uses British pounds sterling, and not Egyptian pounds.Iss246 (talk) 16:04, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

No, you did not. I understand your position. I see many editors who oppose it. I am one.- Sinneed 19:12, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

It is true that I did not include an explanation at Loyola University Maryland. I am sorry. I thought my explanations to the two Misplaced Pages editors would be sufficient justification. I explained my position to two Misplaced Pages editors, one of whom raised the Manual of Style, and prevailed upon them. I underline the point that that the Manual of Style is consistent with the changes I made. Moreover, I object to including links to explain minutiae such as Oxford uses British pounds, and not Lebanese pounds, or a college in Baltimore, Maryland uses dollars, not Nicaraguan córdobas. There is plenty of important material for Misplaced Pages to cover.Iss246 (talk) 19:32, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Sudbury democratic schools

That guy keeps adding stuff about Sudbury schools and how they are so much better - thanks for reverting this one, I'm getting tired of doing it myself. -mattbuck (Talk) 02:51, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Natural experiment

I hope that you approve of my edits. Thanks for your suggestions. Best regards, Kiefer.Wolfowitz (talk) 04:49, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Psychology is a science

It is not necessary to say that psychology is science in the first sentence in addition to what already appears on the page. To do so would be redundant. I don't disagree that psychology is science - it is. But, the lede of this article makes this point in a way that is much clearer: the scientific study of (-ology) human or other animal mental functions and behaviors (psycho-). It's status as a science is further supported by the rest of the article, so this should be plenty obvious to a reader as it currently stands.Osubuckeyeguy (talk) 00:44, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Comments I left along with recent edits were not directed at you if you were not responsible for the edits that preceded mine. The same edit was continually being made from different IP addresses. These editors had not made any previous edits from those address, which looks suspicious. Care was not even being taken to make sure that the edit was spaced properly, so it seemed reasonable to assume that the intent was to be disruptive. I have read your comments and understand your logic. However, I have made additional edits to the page, which I think improves the writing of the first sentence, but does not change the basic idea at all. This wording is more consistent with the other pages that you've referenced as possible models.Osubuckeyeguy (talk) 19:38, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

I made no assumptions about who was making the sloppy edits using multiple IP addresses. Please don't make assumptions about me. I know you to be a long time contributor who is willing to discuss changes, as we have been doing. We may disagree from time to time, but I am not questioning your integrity as an editor. Osubuckeyeguy (talk) 15:19, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

History of comments Osubuckeyeguy with regard to the above:

I think you should have left psychology as a science.Iss246 (talk) 19:34, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

I read your comment about the change in the psychology entry, and I take it that you directed it at me. I did not create a new IP to write psychology is a science. I don't know who wrote that. I would not do that. I own up to all changes I make, changes that turn out to be good ones, and changes that turn out to be not so good.Iss246 (talk) 15:26, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

What I did do was check into biology, chemistry, astronomy, and geology. The Misplaced Pages pages for those entries begin by reporting that the discipline is a science. I think a better way to shape the opening of the psychology entry is to begin by writing that psychology is a science and then delete the word "scientific" from the expression "scientific study" in order to reduce redundancy.Iss246 (talk) 15:26, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

I went ahead, and made the abovementioned edits. The opening is now more consistent with the openings of other scientific disciplines.Iss246 (talk) 15:34, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

I'm okay with the recent changes you made in the psychology entry (July 24, 2010, 19:39). Your weak denial notwithstanding ("Comments I left along with recent edits were not directed at you if you were not responsible for the edits that preceded mine"), I am convinced that the comment you made ("Stop creating new IPs solely to make this edit") was directed at me.

I reiterate, I don't start new Misplaced Pages entries nor do I make additions, subtractions, and other edits to existing entries without tacking on my moniker.Iss246 (talk) 14:21, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

I stand by what I say about your targeting me. What gives it away was your blanket statement and weak denial ("Comments I left along with recent edits were not directed at you if you (my emphasis) were not responsible for the edits that preceded mine") regarding the comment you made ("Stop creating new IPs solely to make this edit"). That "if you" galls me. It is like saying, "If you didn't cheat on your wife, I will not hold you up to scorn." Why raise the issue at all with me? Moreover, your "stop making" statement was entered just after I wrote to you in an up-front manner about changes at the beginning of the Psychology entry and just after a different contributor made a change in the Psychology entry to which you objected.Iss246 (talk) 16:02, 26 July 2010 (UTC) Iss246 (talk) 01:45, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Leeds Mercury

Dear Iss246! You are from New York? Is it possible to provide me with a copy of following?

http://clio.cul.columbia.edu:7018/vwebv/holdingsInfo?bibId=5082330

Anon. (1799): Obituary of James Bolton. Leeds Mercury or General Advertiser, Saturday, january 19th, vol. 32, no. 1668: p. 3

Holding: Butler Library, 535 West 114th St., New York, NY 10027

I only need a copy of page 3. If You can help me anyhow, I will be very glad and grateful,

Kind regards, Doc Taxon (talk) 05:39, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Aspects of workplaces template

Im doing a set of 4 templates, Aspects of workplaces, Aspects of corporations, Aspects of organizations and in a day or so Aspects of occupations as there is some synergy between the 4 of them and i am having them link to each other. I was intending to put OHP into the occupations template.--Penbat (talk) 20:51, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Journal cites on School violence

Hi, as the major contributor to the article on School violence I would like to ask you about the following: I reckon the existing journal citations in the article could have 32 DOIs, 18 more PMIDs, 2 JSTOR links, 2 PMCs and 18 more issue values set, which would provide links for readers to see the abstract or full text of nearly all the journal articles. This sandbox page shows the extra available data. Would you be okay if I reformatted the school violence article to use {{cite journal}} so that the extra data can be added automatically, or would your rather merge in the data yourself? Thanks Rjwilmsi 17:24, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Thank you Rjwilmsi for contacting me. You have a good idea. College students will be able to easily access virtually all of the cited sources through their college libraries and members of the general public will have access to most of the sources via their public libraries. Please go ahead in entering the DOIs, etc. We want to continue to improve the school violence entry.Iss246 (talk) 20:03, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

I left a few samples for you of how you can complete some of this work: see the infobox on my user page. You can find PMIDs by searching PubMed, DOIs by searching Google Scholar, and ISBNs by using the ISBN finder on my userpage. The bot can't fill in the missing info if there is nothing there to go on-- it needs at least a DOI or a PMID. Rjwilmsi questions is a a different one; if the bot could convert your citations to the cite journal templates, then it is able to fill in the missing info. (Also, page and date ranges on Wiki use an WP:ENDASH rather than a hyphen.) Regards, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:57, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Sandy, per agreement (here) I've used the sandbox changes with the citation templates. I've merged back the ISBNs you added manually, and another DOI & journal/page correction, let me know if I missed anything else. Thanks Rjwilmsi 20:59, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Charles Barron

Thank you so much!

I can see you have really dedicated yourself to this page, and I love the results! I really appreciate the time you've taken to re-organize this page. I know with your help, it should be re-assessed much higher than it is now. One clarification I would like to make is that his constituency (his electoral district) includes East New York and Canarsie, Bushwick, so on. I have seen a few places where it states that his district is in East New York, which neglects the other neighborhoods. I know, the City Council districts are not clean-cut by neighborhood, so there is some overlap.

Also, I would also like to know your opinion on the page. Do you feel the criticisms section should be labeled as such? I personally am leaning away from a criticism section because so many things can be criticized and controversial in a BLP that it is almost insulting to the reader to label what should be a criticism versus what should be regular reading material. If you can think of another name for the section, I would love to know.

And again, thank you for your hard work! Keep it up!

--Screwball23 talk 00:01, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Malati Dasi

Hi Iss246. Many thanks for your expert copy-editing of Malati Dasi. I'm impressed. I did some further editing, mostly for compliance with the sources and facts, and would be grateful if you could give the diff a look. Thanks again. Regards, Cinosaur (talk) 00:58, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Your Barnstar

		The Original Barnstar
		In appreciation of your swift, exacting, and obliging copy-editing of Malati Dasi, I am glad to present you with this barnstar. Thanks and regards, Cinosaur (talk) 01:32, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Malati Dasi

I got your message but I don't have enough connection or interest in the subject. I am not going to edit that page, but I will help you out with your future backlog pursuits should something of mutual interest come up.--Screwball23 talk 03:51, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

GOCE / Mid-drive newsletter

Guild of Copy Editors March 2011 backlog elimination drive

Greetings from the Guild of Copy Editors March 2011 Backlog elimination drive! Here is your mid-drive newsletter.

Participation

So far, 79 people have signed up for this drive. Of these, 64 have participated. Interest is high due to a link to our event from the Watchlist page, and many new and first-time copy editors have joined us for the drive. If you signed up for the drive but haven't participated yet, it's not too late! Try to copy edit at least a few articles. Remember, if you have rollover words from the last drive, you will lose them if you do not participate in this drive. If you haven't signed up for the drive yet, you can sign up now. Many thanks to those editors who have been helping out at the Requests page. We have assisted in the promotion of seven articles to Good article status so far this month.

Progress report

We have already achieved our target of reducing the overall backlog by 10%; however, we have more work to do with the 2009 backlog. We have almost eliminated May 2009 and we only have some 700 articles left from 2009. It is excellent progress, so let's concentrate our fire power on the remaining months from 2009. Thank you for participating in the March 2011 drive. We anticipate it will be another big success!

Utahraptor resigns

The Utahraptor has decided to step down from his position as project coordinator due to real-life issues.

Your drive coordinators – S Masters (talk), Diannaa and Tea with toast (Talk)

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GOCE drive newsletter

Guild of Copy Editors March 2011 backlog elimination drive report

Greetings from the Guild of Copy Editors March 2011 Backlog elimination drive. Thank you for participating in the March 2011 drive! This newsletter summarizes the March drive and other recent events.

Participation

There were 99 signups for the drive; of these, 70 participated. Interest was high mainly due to a link to our event from the Watchlist page. We had a record-breaking 84 articles listed on the Requests page in March; 11 of these have been promoted to Good article status so far. Several of our recent efforts have received Featured Article status as well, and the GOCE is becoming a solid resource for the Misplaced Pages community. Many thanks to editors who have been helping out at the Requests page and by copy editing articles from the backlog.

Progress report

Remarkable progress was made in reducing the backlog this month, as we now have fewer than 500 articles remaining from 2009. We are well under the 4,000-article mark for the total number remaining in the queue. Since our backlog drives began in May 2010 with 8,323 articles, we have cleared more than 53% of the backlog. A complete list of results and barnstars awarded can be found here. Barnstars will be distributed over the next week. If you enjoyed participating in our event, you may also like to join the Wikification drives, which are held on alternate months to our drives. Their April drive has started.

New coodinators

On March 21, SMasters appointed Chaosdruid (talk) and Torchiest (talk) as Guild coordinators to serve in place of The Utahraptor, who recently stepped down. Please feel free to contact any coordinator if you have any questions or need assistance.

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GOCE drive newsletter

The Guild of Copy Editors – May 2011 Backlog Elimination Drive

The Guild of Copy Editors invite you to participate in the May 2011 Backlog Elimination Drive, a month-long effort to reduce the backlog of articles that require copy-editing. The drive began on May 1 at 00:00 (UTC) and will end on May 31 at 23:59 (UTC). The goals of this backlog elimination drive are to eliminate as many articles as possible from the 2009 backlog and to reduce the overall backlog by 15%. ! NEW ! In an effort to encourage the final elimination of all 2009 articles, we will be tracking them on the leaderboard for this drive.

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A range of barnstars will be awarded to active participants. Some are exclusive to GOCE drives. More information on awards can be found on the main drive page.

We look forward to meeting you on the drive! Your GOCE coordinators: SMasters, Diannaa, Tea with toast, Chaosdruid, and Torchiest

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GOCE drive invitation

Greetings from the Guild of Copy Editors

The latest GOCE backlog elimination drive is under way! It began on 1 July and so far 18 people have signed up to help us reduce the number of articles in need of copyediting.

This drive will give a 50% bonus for articles edited from the GOCE requests page. Although we have cleared the backlog of 2009 articles there are still 3,935 articles needing copyediting and any help, no matter how small, would be appreciated.

We are appealing to all GOCE members, and any other editors who wish to participate, to come and help us reduce the number of articles needing copyediting, as well as the backlog of requests. If you have not signed up yet, why not take a look at the current signatories and help us by adding your name and copyediting a few articles. Barnstars will be given to anyone who edits more than 4,000 words, with special awards for the top 5 in the categories: "Number of articles", "Number of words", and "Number of articles of over 5,000 words".

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Psychology

Hi there. Regarding this edit; I'm fully aware that group therapy is two separate words. However, that is not the name of the image. As you can see here, the image is no longer displayed as a result of your edit. — Manti core 14:16, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, you misunderstand. The file name is File:Grouptherapy.jpg, the caption is unaffected by this. — Manti core 14:37, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

why vadalism?

Hello, why do you delete my last post? that was not vandalism!! Psico pp (talk) 20:36, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

you don't answer me; i have to rewrite that (at least tell me why you say it's vandalism). That was only a question!Psico pp (talk) 00:32, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

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Antisemitism

Please read the header of category:Antisemitism and undo your reverts. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 23:20, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

I disagree with the policy someone inserted as a header. In fact, so do many others as can be observed in the entries included in the category. Despite the header on the top of the page, I observed that Wikipedeans included such individuals such as Irène Némirovsky and Wilhelm Marr. They fit with the topic, as does Henry Ford.Iss246 (talk) 23:28, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

You are free to disagree, but you must not revert edits that implement the consensus decision of March 7 that was reached at Misplaced Pages:Categories for discussion/Log/2011 February 9#Bias categories. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 23:45, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

That does not make sense. I was not part of the consensus decision. Nor were the individuals who included Irène Némirovsky, Wilhelm Marr, Otto Höfler, Howell Arthur Gwynne, Salvador Abascal, Evelyn Barker, Dezső Szabó, Andrey Dikiy, &c. Wikipeadeans have spoken on this matter. A small group can't come to a consensus and overrule a wide swath of Wikipedeans who in all honesty linked those individuals to the category of antisemitism.Iss246 (talk) 23:57, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

It makes good sense. There was a discussion, and the resulting decision was reasonable. If you want to change it, you would need to convince people of your opinion. (And there is no need to echo your responses on my talk page.) /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 00:04, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Let me say this about writing on your page. I did not know if I needed to echo my response on your page. I don't like to go behind the backs of other Wikipedeans; I know that if I write a response on your page, I would alert you to my thinking on the matter at hand. By writing on your page, you get a message from Misplaced Pages that I wrote to you. By writing a response to you solely on my page, I don't believe that you get alerted. But by writing on your page you do get alerted. Hence, I continue to write on your page. I want you to know what I think.

Now I turn to the discussion at hand. The discussion regarding deleting individuals was reasonable according to you. But not according to me. Nor according to others who contributed historical people to the category. I don't find deleting the individuals you deleted reasonable. For example, I see no point to deleting Richard Wagner, who advocated building a theater in Vienna, putting on a play popular with Jews in order to draw a large crowd, and then setting the theater on fire. It makes no sense to me and many others that you would delete him from the category of antisemitism. He was a brilliant composer and creator of operas. He was also a vicious anti-Semite. You may as well remove (Father) Charles Coughlin!

My interaction with you occurred at a time when I concluded a good deal of reading about Lindbergh and Ford because one of them, Ford, is relevant to a small section in a chapter in of a book I am writing.

I register my objections, and continue to restore names I believe belong in that section.Iss246 (talk) 00:31, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

You are free to object, but do not add biographies to that category. See also Misplaced Pages:Categories for discussion/Log/2010 August 12#Category:People accused of antisemitism. This has been discussed, the category was deleted, and you are reintroducing it. And really, this page is on my watchlist, there is no need to copy your responses to my talk page. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 00:56, 16 March 2012 (UTC)