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Violet temperature colour schemes

We need to decide which violet colour scheme is the best. There are a lot of options to choose Here are some examples below (from the previous discussion).

Option 1

{{#invoke:Gradient| gradient_test | gradient=
  {{#invoke:Gradient|export_gradient
  | 0 | #E6E6FA
  | -45 | #B57EDC
  | -90 | 000000
  }} 
| step = 1
| cells_per_row = 25
}}

Script error: No such module "Gradient".

Option 2

{{#invoke:Gradient| gradient_test | gradient=
  {{#invoke:Gradient|export_gradient
  | 0 | #8F00FF
  | -90 | 000000
  }} 
| step = 1
| cells_per_row = 25
}}}

Script error: No such module "Gradient".

Option 3

{{#invoke:Gradient| gradient_test | gradient=
  {{#invoke:Gradient|export_gradient
  | 0 | #E6E6FA
  | -15 | #B57EDC
  | -50 | #8F00FF
  | -90 | 000000
  }} 
| step = 2
| cells_per_row = 25
}}

Script error: No such module "Gradient".

Put your comments below. Ssbbplayer (talk) 18:35, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Of course, the code can be changed freely. You can choose different shades, and experiment further, if these three examples are not sufficient for someone. Subtropical-man (talk) 18:42, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

I sort of like the 3rd one. The first, btw, turns into bluish at the bottom (not good, too similar to blue precipitation). The 2nd one is awful; it's rather dull, monotonous and hardly gradual. Meganesia (talk) 12:24, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Definitely, the second one is not the best one. The colours are already quite dark at the lower values and the gradient is weak meaning the colours look almost the same at different values. Option 1 and option 3 are both good. Ssbbplayer (talk) 17:11, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

What do you think about this? (below)

<nowiki>{{#invoke:Gradient| gradient_test | gradient=
  {{#invoke:Gradient|export_gradient
  | 0 | #ffffff
  | -15 | #B57EDC
  | -35 | #8806CE
  | -65 | #4C2882
  | -90 | 000000
  }} 
| step = 1
| cells_per_row = 25
}}}

Script error: No such module "Gradient". I experimented a little with the shades from Shades of violet. Subtropical-man (talk) 21:00, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

The first color scheme looks good to me. I was surprised to see you go as low as -90 in your table, but it makes sense after I figured out that the coldest temperature recorded on earth was -89,2 at Vostok Station. Violet would be appreciated so we can settle on using blue for precipation. I wish we could finally make a decision and get this over with, can we vote on this (I'm not aware of how decision making here works)? --AlexanderVanLoon (talk) 20:13, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

I already suggested that violet-fuchsia-purple tints be used for ultraviolet radiation, not temperatures :( --Mahmudmasri (talk) 02:59, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

This shade looks better than the 3 options above. I think it would go well with it. About the comment on UV radiation, I do not see how purple can be used for UV radiation because there are few climatological data on UV radiation. Even so, it would seem pointless to put it in the weather box compared more important info such as sunshine hours, temperature and precipitation. I would prefer describing the climate about its UV radiation as a summary instead. Ssbbplayer (talk) 17:11, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Cleanup category for articles with both imperial first and metric first

I found today that User:Guardian of the Rings ran an automated script last year to add "imperial first = Y" to a large number of articles (this param is not referenced by this template directly, but rather by Module:WeatherBox). However, it was added to articles which already contained "metric first = Y". When these parameters occur together, the C and F data ends up being displayed in reverse - the C data is labelled as F, and vice versa.

I'd like to add a cleanup category in this template to catch articles that use both of these parameters, so they can be fixed eventually. I haven't touched a template this complicated in a few years... where's the best place in the template code to put this? Or any ideas on a better way to do this. — RockMFR 17:01, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Would it not be possible to just have a bot remove one of them when the two occur together. Also to add the "imperial first = Y" to all US articles that use the template? CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 22:13, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

It would be better if a bot can automatically add "imperial first=Y" to all US articles or any article that uses imperial units. It is extremely difficult for one user to it and it's time consuming. However the weather box needs to use metric units by default since most of the world uses the metric system. That way, there would be no need for the line "metric first=Y") Currently, if this line was removed, the weather box displays imperial units by default. Ssbbplayer (talk) 18:31, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Ssbbplayer said: "Currently, if this line was removed, the weather box displays imperial units by default" - yes, this is error. Most of countries in the world use metric system, metric system should be as default. Need to improve code of weatherbox. Subtropical-man talk
(en-2) 19:18, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Subtropical-man

You really need to calm down and stop harassing editors, claiming that I mass-change colors of climate charts. Most of your claims were on charts I took time and effort to create. I also explained on my talk page that I only use the optional colors when there is a reason.

Be more rational, because I only edit the colors when it's absolutely necessary. Even if you were the one who created or mostly edited the template. Color options are there for a reason. When all the highs are in the late 20s and early 30s, they are difficult to see. I don't have to write that on all discussion pages. When the precipitation or rain is more than 200 per month, the color appears black or when its too little with the lows around 1, both colors look the same.

--Mahmudmasri (talk) 21:49, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

He also had the audacity to threaten me with a block, after making false claims against me when he was the one to make mass reverts and claim I do so! --Mahmudmasri (talk) 22:04, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

He is being very discouraging for to me expand and enhance climate sections after all I did. Climate charts in many articles are either non-existent or incomplete. Why is he allowed to arbitrarily enforce his opinions. If color options are unacceptable, why are they even an option? --Mahmudmasri (talk) 22:13, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

There are too many climate charts left vandalized and I took the time and effort to fix that, when he never notices them or cares to fix them, only cares to ruin my edits! --Mahmudmasri (talk) 22:15, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

You wrote:

" I only use the optional colors when there is a reason" - most of your changes is change on pastel or/and green.
"Color options are there for a reason. When all the highs are in the late 20s and early 30s, they are difficult to see" and "When the precipitation or rain is more than 200 per month, the color appears black or when its too little with the lows around 1, both colors look the same" - this is your private opinion, other users may have a different opinion.
"He also had the audacity to threaten me with a block" - yes, if you do not stop mass change colors (despite requests)
"making false claims against me" - no, you wrong. No false.
"ruin my edits"? - this is joke? I restored standard colours and this is ruin your edits? you are 10 years or what?

Again: to mass changes of colors (pastels, green) in the articles must be consensus. After discussion no consensus to use pastels and green colours. There is only a consensus to apply the violet instead blue in the code of weatherbox (mainly in "Average low" and "Record low" line). Your changes to the colors (pastels, green) were automatically withdrawn. I understand, one or three articles but dozens or hundreds is too much and must be consensus.

What have you done? Reverted my edits. You change colors without consensus and change colors despite the opposition of another user, make reverts, break the WP:CYCLE (edit, revert = discuss). Such behavior is unacceptable. Subtropical-man talk
(en-2) 22:17, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

You are the one who initiated the cycle of reverts. Those are examples of articles I was the one who created their climate charts, then you claimed that you reverted me on mass color edits. Reverting what?! I created them!

Anyone can check their recent history! --Mahmudmasri (talk) 22:28, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

Whether new or existing weatherbox, you enter not standard colors. Subtropical-man talk
(en-2) 22:38, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

Aha! So you have a problem with the optional colors. You should see if there were a consensus to just remove the optional colors from the template in order for them not to be used. I suggest you call for voting on the issue. --Mahmudmasri (talk) 22:44, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

No, not need a consensus to remove the optional colors. Existence and usage are two different terms. You can delete the entire contents of the article because Misplaced Pages is open and free (anyone can change it) but this does not mean that you can do. Subtropical-man talk
(en-2) 22:49, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

(Existence and usage)? Why did you change the colors I chose when I created the charts I mentioned above? You are contradicting yourself. --Mahmudmasri (talk) 22:55, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

You do not understand:

does not matter whether you create a new or editing an existing, in both cases, you leaving behind not standard colors. When you create new articles you can not break the rules because there are new articles.
if there any option, does not mean that you can use it if you break a rule or consensus. For another example: you can delete the entire contents of the article because Misplaced Pages is open and free (anyone can change it) but this does not mean that you can do.

Subtropical-man talk
(en-2) 23:08, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

Also, you breaks consensus. There is clear consensus (7:0:0) for "Red background, white text" to "Average High" temperature color. Usage pastels breaks consensus. Subtropical-man talk
(en-2) 22:33, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

To sum: according to you better colour is green and pastels, according to me better colour is pink and black ;) but this does not mean that you change half of Misplaced Pages to your colors (green and pastels) and I change half of Misplaced Pages to colors (pink and black) because we have a own opinion. I understand, one or three articles but dozens or hundreds is too much and must be consensus. Dot. Subtropical-man talk
(en-2) 23:00, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

Please, don't falsify another claims! I don't prefer colors. Anyone can check again the examples I mentioned, they all didn't use pastels! I don't have to repeat again that I haven't changed half of Misplaced Pages's articles. It's what you were doing, rather than doing productive contributions as I was checking and reverting vandalism or expanding climate charts, when you only cared to revert my edits claiming that I mass changed colors. You are the one who is being opinionated here and want to enforce it. --Mahmudmasri (talk) 23:10, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

I have no words. You "don't prefer colors". Really? You uses green and/or pastels (repeat: AND/OR). I dont wrote that you "haven't changed half of Misplaced Pages's articles". I wrote to explain what's going on: "according to you better colour is green and pastels, according to me better colour is pink and black ;) but this does not mean that you change half of Misplaced Pages to your colors (green and/or pastels) and I change half of Misplaced Pages to colors (pink and black) because we have a own opinion". I want to explain to you that you can have your own opinion about which colors are better, you can use this colours in few articles BUT not in dozens or hundreds articles. To mass changes of colors (green and/or pastels) in the articles (or the introduction of this colors in new wetherboxes) must be consensus. After discussion no consensus to use green and/or pastels. Also, there is clear consensus (7:0:0) for "Red background, white text" to "Average High" temperature color. Usage pastels breaks consensus. There is only a consensus to apply the violet instead blue in the code of weatherbox (mainly in "Average low" and "Record low" line). Your changes to the colors (green and/or pastels ) were automatically withdrawn. I understand, one or few articles but dozens or hundreds is too much and must be consensus. Please do not yell and thought little. Subtropical-man talk
(en-2) 23:23, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

I have a busy life and I just presented your issue here for reference to others. I have no time for procrastination. WP:WINNING --Mahmudmasri (talk) 00:20, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

I suggest discussing this on ANI since this is purely based on an incident between two users, that has occurred similarly in the past before. Ssbbplayer (talk) 17:20, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

MoS compliance

Please note that this template (apparently due to another template) uses hashes for listing sources, which is contrary to MOS:HASH. Toccata quarta (talk) 11:14, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Use of Weather box in settlement articles

Discussion started at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Cities#Weather_box on the use of this template in settlement articles. SilkTork 16:25, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

FYI, there's now an RfC about this same subject as well. Guy1890 (talk) 20:33, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Separate templates

User:Lieutenant of Melkor on a large scale move Weather box data from articles to separate templates in articles about American cities, for example: -> . To make changes on a large scale (changes in many articles) must to be discussion and consensus.

Also, description of the changes of new templates nothing says about move of data from articles, this is a falsification of the history of changes. It does not matter that user added some extra information (for example "Percent possible sunshine"), can not pretend to be the sole author of these data. In history of changes of templates, for example: , it clear show that User:Lieutenant of Melkor is the sole author of these data. This is stealing. Discuss (in Lieutenant of Melkor talk page) with this user did not resolves the problem. He believes that it is all ok. So,

Must to be discussion and consensus to make changes on a large scale (changes in many articles), therefore, let's start discussion.
If will be a consensus to separate templates, description of the changes of new templates must say about move of data from articles, and also better add the wikilink.

Subtropical-man talk
(en-2) 09:00, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

Descriptions of changes

Unless these city articles are deleted (and that will never happen), no edit history is being lost by my creation of these templates. If you still do not understand that, there is nothing I or others can do and you shall be considered to be in clear violation of WP:IDHT. "My master, Annatar the Great, bids thee " 10:12, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

I did not wrote "edit history is lost". The history of changes is falsified by you and you breaking the license of Misplaced Pages. One of the examples: history of changes clear show that User:Lieutenant of Melkor is the sole author of these data. Also - yes, you (Lieutenant of Melkor) shall be considered to be in clear violation of WP:IDHT. Please do not pretend that you do not know what's going on or you do not understand. If you copying/moving data from article you must have to write (for example: in description of the changes) where comes from the data, where comes from transferred/moved these data. Subtropical-man talk
(en-2) 11:10, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

can not pretend to be the sole author of these data. In history of changes of templates, for example: , it clear show that User:Lieutenant of Melkor is the sole author of these data. This is stealing. Yes you essentially wrote the "edit history is lost", or more precisely, "edit history ended in one thread". Tracing the edit history only requires a bit more work on the part of the reader, but it's still there to show NO CITY started with {{Weather box}} or the like as a transclusion.

I suggest you read WP:WINNING; you were taught the same exact lesson about three months ago in an above thread on the same discussion page. "My master, Annatar the Great, bids thee " 14:07, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

No, term of "lost" is one, falsification of history of changes is different. You lose authors + falsification of history of changes (i.e history of changes clear show that User:Lieutenant of Melkor is the sole author of these data). The history of changes is falsified by you and you breaking the license of Misplaced Pages. I repeat: these are the two things: obstructing access to authors/history of changes and falsification of history of changes (i.e history of changes clear show that User:Lieutenant of Melkor is the sole author of these data). Do you understand this? or you need it draw with crayons?

Just create a new weather templates with description of changes (with informations or/and wikilink to article from whose copied data). Simply. While you're doing all to show that you are the author. It does not matter that you can look for authors by this data in Misplaced Pages, if use copy/paste, please give source/authors in description of changes. Simply.

I suggest you wait for the opinion of other users. Subtropical-man talk
(en-2) 14:48, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

User:Lieutenant of Melkor hasn't done anything wrong. If you look at Sydney or Toronto you can see that neither of them mentions who added the data. Also the actual Sydney weatherbox template and Toronto weatherbox template make any mention of who was involved with the data just the name of the person who created the template. The people who added the data would already be in the original articles. CBWeather, Talk, Seal meat for supper? 20:01, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

In the past, I also was accused of violating the license and I also must respect this against my will but other users were right. I want to quote a very good citation: "The cut-and-paste copying removes the edit history, so the CC-licensing attribution requirement is violated". I do not care Sydney and few other, this must be done in accordance with the requirements of rules of Misplaced Pages and standards of Misplaced Pages and licensing of Misplaced Pages.

It is important, for example: I'm author of very many weatherboxes in very many articles, I do not give rights to any uses method of "cut-and-paste" without information about author or source, according to the CC-licensing. Cut-and-paste - ok, but with information about authors or/and link to original page. One user create data and other user copy this and paste this to another page as own work? I think many other authors feel the same, even if only a portion of users - it excludes method of "cut-and-paste" without information about author (history of changes) or source (link). There's not even a need for further discussion on this topic, rules and licensing of Misplaced Pages is more important than the opinion by some users. You want use method of "cut-and-paste", please give source or authors or link in description of changes. Simply. Subtropical-man talk
(en-2) 20:35, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

That's a different issue. In this case no material is deleted or removed. It just moves and a look at the history shows who did what. CBWeather, Talk, Seal meat for supper? 21:43, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

How people can know whether this material is cut-copied from article or created as new by User:Lieutenant of Melkor? Looking at this history of changes, people can infer that the author of these data User:Lieutenant of Melkor, as the sole author. Why people must think that these data are ~~stolen~~ copied from article, if nothing showing about this in template, talk page of template or the description of changes of template. Please, think a little. Subtropical-man talk
(en-2) 22:24, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

Ok, enough of this. Read Misplaced Pages:Copy-paste#How about copying and pasting from one Misplaced Pages article to another? / Misplaced Pages:Copying within Misplaced Pages say:

"you can copy parts of one Misplaced Pages article into another, but you must link to the source article in your edit summary. Original content contributed by users can be freely used if the original author is properly attributed. If you have copied text but forgotten to use the edit summary, this can be easily corrected: You can make a dummy edit by making an inconsequential change to the article—such as adding a blank line to the end of the article—and link to the source article in edit summary then. A note such as "content copied from ] on 1 January 2012" works fine".

Topic is closed. Subtropical-man talk
(en-2) 22:03, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

Discussion about transfer data from articles to separate templates

The first case (about descriptions of changes) was discussed. Now we discuss the second case: transfer data from weatherboxes in articles to separate templates. Must to be discussion and consensus to make changes on a large scale (changes in many articles), therefore, let's start discussion. Subtropical-man talk
(en-2) 21:25, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

No problem as it really is a minor change. The same data is still in the article but just in a different setup. CBWeather, Talk, Seal meat for supper? 21:43, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

Yes, a minor change within one article but this case concerns changes on a large scale (changes in very many articles), must to be discussion and consensus - especially if exist the opposition. Formerly (for some years) were discussions about transfers various parts of the articles to a separate templates, were supporters and opponents. Subtropical-man talk
(en-2) 21:57, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

Metric only?

I am transferring this template into Slovenian Misplaced Pages (our sandbox sl:Predloga:Weather box/peskovnik, sl:Module:Weather box, and testcase sl:Predloga:Podnebje Ljubljane/peskovnik) .

Is there any possibility to display only metric part of the result?
Input and output values in our wiki should also have decimal comma instead of dot.

I often transfer your templates and Lua modules into sl:, but this one is too big for me. Any advice?--Pinky sl (talk) 20:30, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

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