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Some sources about LGBT attitudes in the Middle East

OccultZone,

I found some sources about LGBT attitudes in the Middle East:

They talk about how anti-LGBT attitudes were not always the norm (previously Europe was homophobic and Europeans went to the Middle East and had homosexual experiences there), but that the anti-LGBT attitudes came to the Middle East when "gays/homosexuals" were made into an identity group.

It would be helpful if they were used as sources on the Arabic Misplaced Pages WhisperToMe (talk) 16:32, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Nice! What would be the title? OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 16:33, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
Since LGBT in the United States exists, maybe LGBT in the Middle East would be a good idea. The article can be written in English and translated into Arabic WhisperToMe (talk) 16:38, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
I will probably start LGBT in the Middle East on sandbox. Once it is completed, it will be easy to translate. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 16:47, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
Thank you so much! This will be a very important article for so many people in the world. WhisperToMe (talk) 16:53, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

BTW I found another one:

  • Habib, Samar. Female Homosexuality in the Middle East: Histories and Representations. Routledge, July 18, 2007. ISBN 0415956730, 9780415956734.

There is a copy on Google Books. There is also a specific article on Saudi Arabia (it also talks about the different Middle Eastern style of sexuaity

WhisperToMe (talk) 17:58, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Nice finding, once you are into google books you can probably discover the thousands of years old events. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 18:02, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

I started a small stub at LGBT in the Middle East and got even more sources. When you are ready you can replace this stub with your well-developed article. I may also write Misplaced Pages articles about the books themselves (using book reviews). I also am seeking German versions of the Klauda article so people who write versions in other languages have the original German text to work with WhisperToMe (talk) 23:50, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Great! Edited, article is not stub anymore. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 01:39, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

I Have Two Questions

Thanks. I have two questions: do I have to write an article? How do I patrol recent changes here? IWorkSoMuch (talk) 02:22, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

@IWorkSoMuch: You can write article if you want, it is not necessary that you have to. For patrolling recent changes, you can follow this link Special:RecentChanges. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 02:24, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for the barnstar! Long live The Supreme and Holy Order of WP:VERIFY.--Atlantictire (talk) 02:35, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Patrolling Recent Changes

That page you linked to me is where I can see the most recent changes to patrol, but how do I do it? IWorkSoMuch (talk) 03:04, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

There is no other way.. For Patrolling newly created pages you can go to Special:NewPagesFeed. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 03:07, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Why?

Why are in the world are you removing useful links like you did here?--Yankees10 07:57, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

@Yankees10: Sublocation has been provided and linked, so you can remove extra links per linking guidelines. It is also obvious that subject is related to baseball, so there is nothing necessary about linking "baseball". OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 08:04, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
And yet we do it on every single other baseball article.--Yankees10 08:21, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
Sublocations alone are not a reason to unlink the origin of the subject in the lede. All bios I've seen so far link to the place of origin. In the case of bios of politicians from New York, they are described as "American politician from New York". You see that American is not linked, but "New York" provides a useful link, establishing context where the politician acted (member of state legislature etc.) the link to his hometown, if mentioned, is IMO not enough. I suggest you refrain from further unlinking the state name in the lede. Kraxler (talk) 15:46, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
@Kraxler: You can link if you want but it should be related with the subject, unless you are in need of links so that page cannot be considered to be "Underlinked", but anyone else is allowed to remove over amount of links. Per WP:OVERLINKING:-
"In particular, unless they are particularly relevant to the topic of the article, the following are not usually linked:
the names of major geographic features and locations; languages; religions; common occupations; and pre- and post-nominals;"(2nd point)
So once again, you can remove the links of locations, if you have already provided the link to sublocation, it is even better! But then again, if location has to do nothing with the significance of the subject, then certainly it is not needed and it can be removed. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 16:30, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
The location has very much to do with the person, as I pointed out above. Not every New York politician was born in New York state, or died there. Anyway, thanks for reverting while a discussion of the issue is ongoing. Anybody else would be tempted to start an edit-war over this, but I'm too old to haggle over irrelevancies. Kraxler (talk) 16:50, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
It is an opinion. I would've reverted on all pages, but I haven't, nor it is needed, you can have the rest. I was just trying to say that my changes were supported by the guidelines. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 16:59, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

My Talk Page

Social
Tdiction (talk) 07:36, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Hello whats going on today? Tdiction (talk) 07:36, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

@Tdiction: Working on some biographical articles. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 07:57, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Potential superpowers

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Potential superpowers you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Tezero -- Tezero (talk) 12:41, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

How do you do it?

Hi, I have seen you make lots of edits assessing the talk pages.....how do you do it? Any script? or manual? ƬheStrikeΣagle 07:28, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Strike Eagle, his name is the clue. Throw into a bowl of chicken soup, 3-4 eyes of newt, four hairs off of a frog, and two witch's moles (I supply him the moles via my wife). Face the pentagram (not the star, but the W. It has five points) and say praise be unto Jimbo. Eat soup and say again praise be unto Jimbo. Bgwhite (talk) 07:40, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
LOL that is so true!! I remember him in 2013 trying to finding the ropes and making nice good-faith edits....now he's at 100k edits and I'm still 11k.....He's doing a good job though...assessing is something many people usually ignore! I suffer from minor edit-countitis! Cheers, ƬheStrikeΣagle 07:44, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
Strike Eagle, What!! Only 11k edits. I usually don't talk to people with such a low edit count. You people disgust me. I'm #24 on list of Wikipedians by number of edits with 349,526 edits. Nah Nah Nah!!! Bgwhite (talk) 07:53, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
@Strike Eagle: See section #34 of this talk page. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 09:01, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

I have unreviewed a page you curated

Resolved

Hi, I'm Carriearchdale. I wanted to let you know that I saw the page you reviewed, 1704 in Spain, and have un-reviewed it again. If you have any questions, please ask them on my talk page. Thank you. Carriearchdale (talk) 09:43, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

@Carriearchdale: But what is your rationale? OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 09:55, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
fyi...a quote from[REDACTED] ]

ciao!!! Carriearchdale (talk) 11:30, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Honor Killing

Resolved

Hi. I see you reverted my edit. But what I was doing was putting back Afghanistan in the South Asia section, after it was moved by 108.230.153.63 to the Middle East section. Now it is in both sections. It should be only in the South Asia one.2A02:2F0A:506F:FFFF:0:0:BC19:AE61 (talk) 10:28, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

From next time consider providing edit summaries. Thanks for the right placement. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 10:30, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Many reviews needed

Uppada Beach, Mypadu Beach, Vodarevu Beach -- Vin09 (talk) 12:31, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

All done. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 12:36, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Need info

Resolved

Is it ok to place the tags by a user or should be placed by an expert or admin? page1, page2, page3, page4--Vin09 (talk) 15:03, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Anyone can, but they should be correct. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 15:08, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Galleries

Are galleries important for a wiki page, I have read they should be placed in wikimedia commons but not like a repository in en.wiki page, only the prescribed images should be placed. Is it correct?--Vin09 (talk) 03:20, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Not important, they can be removed if article passes the start class. Sometimes galleries are inserted so that people can have the idea about the subject, because of the shortage of content. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 03:38, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
Vin09, I've had to add this to edit summaries 6 times today.... WP:Gallery. Bgwhite (talk) 05:00, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
Bgwhite, can you give me the edit revision page url, so that it will be helpful for me.--Vin09 (talk) 07:11, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
Vin09, see Bgwhite (talk) 07:21, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Review needed

Natural vegetation and Wildlife of Andhra Pradesh, Yarada Beach--Vin09 (talk) 04:32, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

 Done OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 05:43, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Berna Yeniçeri Stub→Start

Hi! I see that you've changed the assessment of Berna Yeniçeri from stub to start. I was in belief that articles with less than 1,500 chars of prosa are considered as stub. Is there something, which makes this article exceptional? --CeeGee 07:06, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

@CeeGee: Check WP:STUB#How_big_is_too_big.3F, Anything that exceeds 250 characters is start. 1500 is for DYK. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 07:35, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Reference Errors on 1 July

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My AWB linking module

This is to inform you that my AWB linking module has been updated with regexes taken from my current unlinking script. I have not yet tested it through want of a Windoze PC. Let me know if it doesn't work. Also, if you watchlist the page, you will see whenever the code gets updated. Regards, -- Ohc  01:55, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Watchlisted, . I will review soon. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 02:02, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Trio, Air Lane

Hi OccultZone, thanks for your attention to this article. However, I'm rather confused as to why you placed a "listas' as "Trio, Air Lane" (). "Trio" is not their last name, and every reference book and discussion I've seen references them as "Air Lane Trio" or "The Air Lane Trio". It might be possible to do a listas as "Air Lane Trio, The", but I've never looked them up under "T", only "A". What is the reason for this, to me, odd configuration? Thanks! 78.26 (His Wiki's Voice) 12:28, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

HWV As long as there is some kind of "biography" wikiproject added to the article, you have to add and fill the listas parameter. You know that I had doubt about this particular parameter, I had asked another editor about it, check , it was few hours ago. Hopefully he will respond anytime soon. So you can consider that I am not done yet with that page. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 12:33, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
HWV You may want to check the guideline about Listas parameter, it says:-

"Listas is a parameter found in the coding of the WikiProject Biography box which operates like {{DEFAULTSORT}}. It is a sortkey for the article talk page (for example, for Elvis Presley, |listas=Presley, Elvis, so that the talk page will show up in the P's and not the E's of the various assessment and administrative categories). More about listas is at this category's talk page."

OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 12:38, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
Agree paramater should be added, and I am grateful you have taken the time to do so. However, it should be as "Air Lane Trio". You wouldn't listas "Seasons, Four" or "Stones, Rolling" or "Brothers, Blackwood". Thanks! 78.26 (His Wiki's Voice) 12:41, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
(and ha! it looks like I need to change my signature, which was just meant to be a play on the old Victor Records slogan for my signature, if people call me HWV instead of 78.26 or just 78, it would appear to be the worst case of WP:OWN I've ever seen!) 78.26 (His Wiki's Voice) 12:45, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
Thanks HWV and "Rolling Stones" is not the right name per Misplaced Pages standard, it is "The Rolling Stones", their listas parameter reads "Rolling Stones, The". Let's wait, like I said that I had asked about it from other editor, waiting for his input as he used to repair these parameters with bot, years ago. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 12:47, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

The correct is "Air Lane Trio". "Air" is not a prefix like "The". -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:36, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

  • I am now totally confused. First you set the listas for Lee M. Hollander as Hollander, Lee M. - that's identical to the defaultsort. Then you reset it as Lee, Hollander M. Why? That's completely inside out and backwards. I tried to check the WikiProject:Biography list of unassessed articles to see how it works, but I don't have all day to guess my way through hundreds of screens to figure it out. How does listas work? If it's like defaultsort, use that! Hollander, Lee M. Otherwise ... can you explain how it works??? Yngvadottir (talk) 15:20, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
@Yngvadottir:, I had, but Zanhe suggested me that "in most of East Asia, surnames precede given names," he was referring to those names. I found it to be correct, so I would repair them, a good example would be Lee Chung-yong, (see listas & defaultsort). Yes "listas" and "defaultsort" are same and some of these defaultsorts have been written incorrectly. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 15:30, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
But Lee M. Hollander was a German-American! Lee was his given name. Does Hollander look East Asian to you? So in other words it's just like defaultsort - why don't you just copy the defaultsort, at least for individual people? Yngvadottir (talk) 19:27, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
@Yngvadottir: Sounds better than before. It is probably right that defaultsort shall be directly transferred without any doubts. After a while I was doing so, had no more errors. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 19:30, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Review request

Hi, I wanted to ask if you might review the article, Daniel R. Gernatt, Jr., if you have a moment. Thanks, Daniellagreen 15:13, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

 Done OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 15:16, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Listas

I don't know what system you use to generate your "listas", but it doesn't seem to get enough manual attention. this one is obviously wrong. Double surnames, like in Spanish names, also present problems; e.g. this one is sorted differently on the talk page and on the article page, which is strange. Does "listas" support diacritics and the like? I also don't think that a listas which is identical to the article name is needed, as that is the default situation (e.g. . Adding typos in such a listas makes it even worse . Fram (talk) 16:17, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

I see that similar issues have been raised above, see e.g. also the incorrect listas you added to . Please stop these listas additions until it is clear how it should be done (and when it shouldn't be done), it makes little sense to add too many incorrect ones among the correct ones, or to add some with a potentially unsupported format (diacritics). Fram (talk) 16:21, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

@Fram: I corrected the first one, although I am unsure about Talk:American Authors and Talk:Allalou since you have doubted. I will confirm this one, and let you know here. Thanks for correcting Talk:Alex & Sierra. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 16:27, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
@Fram: Looks like, if the name is based on a single word it can be added to listas, they have added "Akon" to Akon's listas parameter. "American Authors" is probably correct listas for American Authors, because it is a music band. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 16:32, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Confirmed:-
diacritic should be rid from listas.
band name should be exactly inserted to listas.
if the subject is known by a single name, it will be listas.
"Ambrosius Francken II" should be "Francken, Ambrosius II".

That bot can be treated as example.

OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 16:52, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Agree with all except the "single name is listas". I think the only reason the bot did this in your example, was because there already was a listas, and it corrected it (but should perhaps have simply removed it). "Single name is listas" isn't a wrong edit, but a useless one, as the default is always that something listed exactly like the article title, and only the exceptions should be noted. Fram (talk) 19:13, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
I see that you corrected this by removing the diacritics. However, the page is still sorted differently from the article. "Gomez Sanchez" is a double family name, as is often the case with Spanish language names. It should be sorted at Gomez, not at Sanchez. The article has it right. In general, the talk page should follow the article. Fram (talk) 19:16, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

In general, I agree with Fram. The only difference is that listas has always to be set as a sign that the page was checked and to delist it from the tracking category. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:42, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

If the general rule is to add listas even when it isn't necessary, then I won't object if OccultZone does the same of course. It was, as indicated, the least of my worries. Fram (talk) 21:57, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

AWB's KingbtoK plugin adds listas, in manual mode only, in an almost nice way. It still needs user attention for double surnames, double names, band names, etc. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:44, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks a lot Fram and Magioladitis for rectification. I would note that I was going through the category of listas, but now I have made a list. 1 out of every 20-50 is tricky. Will save them in separate file, I can later decide what to do about them. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 02:53, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

You also added wrong listas in many Chinese and Korean biographical articles, including here and here. Please note that in most of East Asia, surnames precede given names. -Zanhe (talk) 06:59, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

@Zanhe: Are you sure that "Lee" should come after the Second(given) name? I.e. "Lee Sun" should be "Lee, Sun"? Confirm ASAP, so I can correct other 80 where others have added same way I had added those 3 that you've mentioned. Thanks OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 07:12, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
What do you mean by "after"? "Lee Sun" should be "Lee, Sun" for most East Asian names, except for people who live in the West and spell their name in the Western order. Japanese names may also go either way. You need to be very careful with those. Check the article if you're unsure. -Zanhe (talk) 07:18, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
I said "second name" because you had written "surnames precede given names". Many of these pages, like this one lack the "DefaultSort" and "persondata" so it becomes hard to bring the real data. @Zanhe: Check my last 70 contributions(repaired 'lee' related parameters) and let me know if they are correct. Thanks OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 07:37, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
Yes, your corrections look correct. -Zanhe (talk) 07:44, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
Lee_Hwi-jae should be sorted Lee, Hwi-jae. Note, not all Korean given names have a dash. You will see Lee Hwi-jae as Lee Hwi Jae, especially in the west.
You should keep with the easy Western names unless you really know what you are doing. It can become a mess. WP:NAMESORT is the reference for the majority of names. As Zanhe said, *most* East Asian names have surnames first. Majority of Mongolian, Burmese and Malaysian names are patronymic. Thai usually goes by western standards. Japanese names in the Western press are western standard for names after ~1885, except for sumo wrestlers, kabuki actors and some other people in the arts. It can spiral out of control. I wrote the majority of NAMESORT, so if you have questions, give a yell, though I get confused too. Bgwhite (talk) 07:20, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
I just read about the japanese, korean and chinese surnames, they are not really tricky just needed to know about their style. And absolutely, wouldn't be that hard. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 07:48, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
Don't forget the Vietnamese. -09:21, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Barnstar of Diligence
Thank you for reviewing and rating two articles that I created. I appreciate it! :-) Daniellagreen 19:09, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Your closure on ANI

Your this non-admin closure on ANI is interference in remedial procedure of users who use ANI to report violations of admin privileges. Also allegations of lie, POV editing in threatning tone is not content dispute. I request you to revert your closure. Thanks. Abhi (talk) 16:58, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

@Abhi: Why? It can be only reverted back if you have enough evidence of Bgwhite abusing his editing privileges. In fact there was no question right after Magioladitis had shown the diffs where you removed content and added PROD tag. Just like your report to ANI, that tag wasn't needed at all. I don't see any discussion on the talk page, or heavy editing on these articles that you would need to rush. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 17:09, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
Your comments are welcome, non-admin closure is not. A user is seeking admin help. User talk pages are not proper places to report and discuss admin rights abuse. Pls try to understand and revert your closure. Thanks. Abhi (talk) 17:32, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Page protection templates

Hi, please don't add {{pp-sock}} to a page that is not protected. You've done this at 2011 census of India twice in two days: it does not protect the page - all that happens is that the page is placed into Category:Misplaced Pages pages with incorrect protection templates - if you want the page protecting, please file a request at WP:RFPP. --Redrose64 (talk) 18:57, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

@Redrose64: My main motive was to revert sock's edit, I never specifically added {{pp-sock}}. But thanks for pointing. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 19:25, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

why you delete aninidita nayar

i created my account only for anindita nayar as i am fan of her. i am new to wikipedia? and what is this sockpuppetry? --Scottbrew (talk) 20:52, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

No it is impossible that I would delete pages. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 20:53, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
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