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Many of the instances of antisemitism on this page are not instances of antisemitism, they are instances of criticism of Israeli policy. I don;t want to charge in to what is quite a highly charged area, but I am thinking of removing them. What do people think?— Preceding unsigned comment added by Dolive21 (talk • contribs)
- Which ones? ― Padenton|✉ 06:47, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
- I must react to this claim. There's no doubt that the number of antisemitic incidents in UK is increasing due to the israel-arab conflict, and there are actually a lot of anti-Israel incidents across the UK. Some researches fully support this assumption (I think that even in this page u can find sources about that topic). Anyhow, in this specific page all of the incidents are undoubtedly antisemitic. Sometimes, the perpetrator's motive is based on opposing to Israel, but the result is pure antisemitism, such as in the sentence: “We have to kill all the Jews as they kill Palestinians" (comment 27). Once he refers 'Jews", the definition is clear...ScottyNolan (talk) 20:20, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
- That a particular person or organisation (police, newspaper, etc.) calls something anti-semitism, is a fact, that a WP editor deduces it is WP:synth, unless those very words (or a precise synonym) is used.Pincrete (talk) 18:26, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
OR, dubious sources and constructive suggestion
This article appears to contain a lot of WP:OR and WP:Synth, where editors themselves are defining what is/is not anti-sem. There are also many basic grammar and factual errors (eg the All-Party Parliamentary Group against Antisemitism is NOT the UK Govt, nor even an official part of it). It is also OVER dependent on this source, which as an 'advocacy group' is probably not RS. I removed the section on 'Easy-Jet' magazine because it was obviously Synth, the original NS article does not mention anti-sem, and the incident was obviously an expensive gaffe by Easy-Jet and gross insensitivity and stupidity on the part of the fashion photographer.
Many of the stories on antisemitism.org.il are mirrored from notable UK/US and other journals, so why not use the original sources and discard those that are not RSed?
The 'Report of the All-Party Parliamentary Inquiry into Antisemitism' is used heavily, so why not devote a section to that report, rather than just using its content? Or improve All-Party Parliamentary Group against Antisemitism, which is barely a stub and link from this page?
Why does the article start in 2000, is there no history of antisemitism before then, or other articles to link to which cover the subject? If it intends to only cover the modern period, it should be renamed.
This subject is not my speciality, but at the moment, a serious topic is being weakened by carelessness.Pincrete (talk) 21:20, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
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