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Bias.

I genuinely beleive that this article heavilly slanted in the Greco-Cypriot's point of view. When I attempted to make the article more neutral, my edits were deleted (by a Greek, incidently). And, further-more, I was treated with patronization, and not with the dignity & respect a fellow Misplaced Pages deserves. Misplaced Pages clearly states that its articles must be unbiased, & Misplaced Pages is not a battleground, nor is it a propaganda journal.

For instance: - The article refers to the Republic of Cyprus as an "island nation", it is clearly no-more an island nation than Éire is. - The flag presented depicts the island of Cyprus in it, yet surely the 2004 neutral flag would be more appropriate? - The territory shown includes the land occupied by the RoC, TRNC, UN zone, & the UK bases; this does not constitute the true territory of the RoC. - The style of the article is not as though it was presenting the Republic of Cyprus as viewpoint/perspective, as it should; but as a fact, which it should not do.

Also, unrelatedly, the ethnicity descritions are incorrect: a Greek is, & only is, a national of the Hellenic Republic; & the Turkish are those, & only those, who are nations of Turkey. To describe one says they are Greco, & Turk, respectively. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.234.145.223 (talk • contribs)

I agree with the above. No real mention of EOKA's genocide of Turkish Cypriot villages in the South. Very slanted to the Greek perspective. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Popkid2002uk (talk • contribs) 10:10, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Popkid2002uk, you are free to discuss and edit the article. Create new sections on this talk page so the editors can address your concerns. HelenOfOz (talk) 11:46, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
I also think that we should include massacres committed by EOKA B. We cannot deny the truth about the atrocities committed by both sides during the war and it would be unbiased if we do so. But I disagree with the usage of proposed 2004 flag, as this was rejected anyway. The use of word 'island nation' also is a set thing. Cyprus has been referred to as 'Island nation' due to political reasons as it is accepted by international community that the Republic of Cyprus represent the entire island, therefore (even if not de facto correct) is an appropriate usage. In addition, territories shown on this page do clearly show the bases and territories not under effective control of the Republic (occupied north is shown with lighter green!). Furthermore, ethnicity is shown correctly. I rather prefer it to be called Turkish Cypriot and Greek Cypriot than just Greek or Turkish (that would also be politically biased). You can change anything you want but please do not make this article a battleground and keep editing and deleting everything the way you like it to be. Ngparos (talk) 21:07, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

RE : In 1974, following the intercommunal violence between Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots, an attempted coup......... took place.

In 1974, following the intercommunal violence between Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots, an attempted coup d'état by Greek Cypriot nationalists and elements of the Greek military junta with the aim of achieving enosis (union of the island with Greece) took place.

The inter communal violence occurred in 1963, that is, 11 years before the coup of 1974. The clashes of 1967 was a confrontation between militants at Kokkina. The article as it is, will mislead the reader into thinking there was inter communal violence in 1974, shortly before the coup. The phrase "following the intercommunal violence" implies that inter communal violence was a factor in the decision to overthrow the legitimate government when it wasn't. This sentence must be changed to address these points. HelenOfOz (talk) 07:16, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

RE : The intercommunal violence and subsequent Turkish invasion led to the displacement of over 150,000 Greek Cypriots and 50,000 Turkish Cypriots,

There are a couple problems with this sentence.
1. What inter communal violence is the sentence referring to ? The massacres in 1974 happened AFTER the 2nd Turkish invasion (14th August), not before. So the sentence should read "The Turkish invasion and subsequent intercommunal violence".
2. The 50,000 Turkish Cypriots in the Greek held territory were "displaced" to the Turkish side in 1975, a year after the Turkish invasion. At the same time, a few thousand Greeks trapped in the north came to the south. The displacement of those 50,000 Turkish Cypriots (and Greeks of the north) was the result of an agreement between the Greeks and Turks in 1975, not (directly) by the Turkish invasion in 1974.
The sentence as it is now, implies this sequence of events

  • 1. Inter communal violence
  • 2. Turkish invasion
  • 3. Displacement of 150,000 Greek Cypriots and 50,000 Turkish Cypriots

But the truth, which can be easily backed up by Turkish sources, is this

  • 1. Turkish invasion
  • 2. Inter communal violence, and displacement of 150,000 Greek Cypriots (I don't know how many TCs)
  • 3. One year later, in 1975, agreement to displace 50,000 Turkish Cypriots from the south and the remaining Greek Cypriots in the north

This sentence must be rewritten to address my points. HelenOfOz (talk) 07:55, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Be WP:BOLD, go for it. Athenean (talk) 08:14, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
If you can provide enough sources on your version of truth then you can surely go ahead but at the moment it would simply be a POV push. It's a widely accepted fact that there was inter-communal violence before the Turkish intervention. Displacement happened before, during and after the intervention in different stages. The one after the intervention was due to the population exchange agreement while the other ones were due to people running away from the violence. TheDarkLordSeth (talk) 13:29, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
TheDarkLordSeth, the sentence as it is needs clarification because it begins with "In 1974, following the intercommunal violence.....". HelenOfOz (talk) 12:07, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
That section there refers to the inter-communal violence that started in 1963 continuing until 1974. TheDarkLordSeth (talk) 13:54, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
That was not a good time to tell someone to be bold Athenean. There was communal violence stretching back long before the Turkish Invasion, which we all know. CMD (talk) 21:44, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
CMD, what communal violence "which we all know" are you referring too ? The sentence begins as "In 1974, following the intercommunal violence.....". It reads as if "In 1974, there was inter communal violence followed by a coup" which is not the case. The reader should know the post-independence the violence was almost exclusively in 2 periods, 1963/4 and 1967. If anything, the reader should know that there were no major clashes for the 7 years prior. If you know otherwise, consider editing the Cypriot intercommunal violence article for those of us who are unaware. The clashes in 1974 started on the 20th of July, the day Turkey invaded Cyprus. HelenOfOz (talk) 12:01, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

And when and where there was no "intercommunal" violence it was because the Turkish Cypriots were confined into ghettos and could not use their basic rights and liberties, even travelling freely on the island, right? --E4024 (talk) 12:13, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Only about 25-50% of Turkish Cypriots were in enclaves. What "intercommunal" violence did the rest of the Turkish Cypriots experience outside of the periods 1963/4 and 1967 ? HelenOfOz (talk) 12:25, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

@DarkLordSeth re "That section there refers to the inter-communal violence that started in 1963 continuing until 1974": I think that's the misconception that Helen is trying to address. That the intercommunal violence wasn't "continuing until 1974" (which led to the coup and subsequently to the invasion) but that the last incident of violence was in 1967 and that 7 years later there was a coup not as a response to intercommunal violence 7 years ago but for other reasons. Masri145 (talk) 14:48, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

The current sentence doesn't suggest that the coup happened because of the inter-communal violence. It simply provides a chronological situation. It uses the word "following" instead of "due to". That said it's not a myth that the coup attempt in 1974 was a bloody one. I don't think anyone would deny that and the fact that Turks were not left alone during or before this coup attempt. So, we can easily say that the intercommunal violence have extended up to 1974. What HelenOfOz actually suggests in his initial post that intercommunal violence was directly caused by Turkish intervention. This seems rather like a try to shift a presumed blame. TheDarkLordSeth (talk) 20:14, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
Hi all, i think the word "following" in that context you described TheDarkLordSeth is a misrepresentation of the chronological order of events. "Following" implies coming after or "as a result of" as you can see from the dictionary i have provided. 23x2 φ 20:30, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
Are you suggesting that the Turkish intervention did not happen after the intercommunal violence? TheDarkLordSeth (talk) 20:55, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
@User:TheDarkLordSeth Am i ? Please re-read what i said. "Following" needs to go mate 23x2 φ 05:06, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
Well, you said yourself that "following" means "coming after" so I'm trying to understand what's wrong with that. TheDarkLordSeth (talk) 10:58, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Recent editing of images

I am very suspicious that one of the recent series of image edits is being done by one individual using more than one IP. I don't have the capability to investigate but I hope somebody else can. Thanks. — Glenn L (talk) 08:13, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

if someone changes a photo that you do not like you always have to do everything possible to eliminate the other? nice wikipedia, I'm in charge and that's it, good .... keep it up ...--85.237.212.60 (talk) 08:19, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Topographic map of Cyprus

Hello, I have created a topographic map of Cyprus in SVG format. I have used public data but sometimes there are some inconsistencies. Would it be possible for someone to check if it is correct? Thanks --Ikonact (talk) 21:49, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Area figure

A recent edit clarified that the area given of 9,251 sqkm 'Includes Northern Cyprus, the UN buffer zone, and Akrotiri and Dhekelia'. This answers a question I had asked on the Talk:page. However, I have some further points:

  1. what is the reference for the assertion that the area is of the island rather than the state? Given the confusion in the sources, it is not sufficient to rely on a single source giving a single figure with no context; there should hopefully be a reliable source which gives both the island and the state areas at the same time.
  2. can the infobox also include the state area? That would be a better match for the area_rank statistic, which as it stands is meaningless.
  3. the 2011 census figure excluded Northern Cyprus. What about the buffer zone and sovereign bases? jnestorius 19:33, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
I already divided the area and populations into RoC, North and British bases but I cannot keep up with people constantly changing the information regarding their own political views. So I just gave up really. But it is true that if RoC claims politically that north belongs to the Republic, we should have information for the whole island, then divide it down to de facto information about south and north. Before people included north in the area but completely refused to include the northern population which I think is politically motivated. There should be detailed information regarding north, but if I do it, it will be changed soon Ngparos (talk) 13:28, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
In my experience, well-referenced statistics are less prone to edit-wars than unreferenced info or non-statistical, more "subjective" info. I don't really care which figure(s) get priority in the infobox, as all of them are available somewhere, with references. Maybe the infobox can crosslink to a subsection.
It's interesting that the Republic's statistical service's guide to districts marks the Turkish-occupied portion but makes no reference to the UK bases (or the UN buffer zone). It's not clear whether they were included in the 2011 census or not, or more generally to what extent the statistical service regards them as falling within its remit. jnestorius 15:32, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
As far as I know, because the British bases do not officially make part of the Republic as the independence treaty signed with Britain clearly states that Cyprus is independent except two bases which belong to the UK. Therefore I am not sure if RoC would even count bases in any of its statistics simply because they are not part of the country. They still try to county North simply because it makes an integral part of the Republic even if it had de facto declared independence from Cyprus. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ngparos (talk • contribs) 16:01, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
I understand that thinking; however, the map I linked to does not show the bases at all. It might be that the Republic of Cyprus government downplays their existence to some extent, allowing the view to persist that they are leased or temporarily granted to the UK by the Republic, as US overseas bases are, rather than totally external to the Republic. I'm not suggesting that the Republic officially takes such a view, merely that it is less than eager (for whatever reason) to prevent misconceptions. That's just an impression I have, which isn't directly relevant to the article, except that if true it might help explain why statistical breakdowns are hard to track down. jnestorius 17:17, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
Sorry, I was actually going to point that out too before we had a random power cut. Yes, it is bizarre that bases are shown as Cypriot territory. And that is not the case. I have seen many maps and sources where bases were shown as Cypriot territory and I am sure that the government is fully aware it is not a temporary lease, it is simply given to the UK in the independence treaty. There might be contemporary disagreement in public on that subject but everyone is aware they are British bases. However, also true that due to that attitude, it may be difficult to track down sovereign base populations. As a Cypriot, I have not actually ever heard population in bases being considered as Cypriots. Maybe British sources can point out exact statistics on the bases? Ngparos (talk) 20:34, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
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