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Hadar Goldin

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Misplaced Pages is not a newspaper WP:NOTNEWS, subject also fails per WP:BLP1E. See also: Oron Shaul - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 22:43, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

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Speedy Keep - Otherstuffexists is not a reason for deletion (per Oron Shaul comment). This persons kidnapping will have huge implications both in this conflict and politically. Both US president Obama and the UN has made comments about Goldin. --BabbaQ (talk) 22:48, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Also Goldin does not fail WP:BLP1E he might by this moment fail point 1. But point 2 and 3 is just pure speculation from your side as this is the early hours of this story. And considering that his kidnapping is what every single news source in the world is covering, WP:BLP1E is not failed here.--BabbaQ (talk) 22:50, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

I can use the will have argument for any article listed at AfD. Misplaced Pages does not cover everything in the news. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 22:52, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Keep. The article is not written as a news story. I would disagree that it fails BLP1E(especially the second criterion). I think the nomination was a bit premature. 331dot (talk) 22:54, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
Strong keep The abduction of Hadar Goldin changes the whole dynamic of this war. It ended a temporary cease fire, and escalated events on the ground.Juneau Mike (talk) 00:13, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

So did the killing of 2 other IDF troops. This article I feel is a case of WP:TOOSOON, a rushed decision was made to make the article without looking to see what notability the subject has. Its a war, people are going to die and get captured in wars. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 00:37, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

Keep Far from insignificant figure. PatGallacher (talk) 00:31, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
Delete per nom. Also agree about WP:TOOSOON. Don Cuan (talk) 08:25, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
Keep This person has already a significant influence on the current evolution of the war. He is already a huge 'public' figure due to his captivity situation. Score Beethoven (talk) 14:52, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
Keep its obviously important --Midrashah (talk) 19:35, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
Delete Fails WP:BLP1E if a captive and WP:NOTNEWS if dead. .Died in the war per recent IDF statements. That does not satisfy WP:BIO. No inherent notability for every dead soldier from any one army, as compared to war dead on the other side or in other recent conflicts. Edison (talk) 01:09, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
I suggest perhaps Merge with this article because the event is significant for breaking the ceasefire rather than the specific person involved.58.167.32.96 (talk) 01:09, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
Strong Delete Fails WP:BLP1E, nn versus any one of thousands of deaths since this started.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 01:12, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
Keep Widely covered, significant event in complex war. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ShulMaven (talk • contribs) 02:27, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

There is a reason why here on Misplaced Pages we do not make articles for every single thing that has been featured in the news. We are an encyclopedia not a newspaper or as someone else put it not CNN. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 03:10, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
It's an event in a war which already has it's own entry. The event may be significant somewhat; the person is not. I wouldn't even consider the event is significant enough to have its own page, let alone the person. Hence why I suggested a merge. That's not to be insensitive to a person who has died in war but this is an encyclopaedia, not an obituaries page.58.167.32.96 (talk) 03:34, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Delete. Ultimately just another casualty of war. He was not kidnapped but died along with other soldiers. Nothing notable as the alleged kidnapping did not occur. WWGB (talk) 05:30, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
Still Keep. Still got a significant amount of coverage; clearly he was no ordinary "casualty of war" given the attention. Even suspected abductions can be notable. 331dot (talk) 08:16, 3 August 2014 (UTC) Removed duplicate vote - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 23:05, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

My vote was not a duplicate vote(and also not a vote) as the circumstances changed since my initial opinion(when he was thought to be a POW); I wished to state that I still want to keep based on the new circumstances. 331dot (talk) 10:07, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Delete fails WP:NOTNEWS Nick-D (talk) 08:46, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
Delete WP:NOTNEWS, WP:BLP1E. Lugnuts 08:49, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
Delete WP:BLP1E, a sad event to be sure but unless this becomes a turning point mentioned in the history books it's not noteworthy enough. --Zerbey (talk) 13:14, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
Delete: WP:NOTNEWS As a hostage he would in all probability have become notable, but as a casualty he's not.TheLongTone (talk) 14:16, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
Delete: Per the above; another sad victim of war. . Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 17:29, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
Keep, what does it hurt? In the long run people will want information about him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by POR613 (talk • contribs) 18:03, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
Keep: This was widely publicized. His story is significant. Hhm8 (talk) 19:04, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
Comment Did I miss seeing a policy WP:BLP1EIDF which grants inherent notability to every killed soldier from one particular army? Edison (talk) 21:12, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
Keep notable for being a captured POW and notable in the history of the Hannibal Directive -- Kendrick7 22:39, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
He was killed and was never a POW and okay his name can be redirected to Hannibal Directive then if you feel strongly about it. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 23:09, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
Merge/Redirect to 2014 Israel–Gaza conflict or one of the articles related to the conflict. --Versa geek 22:46, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
Delete Just another dead soldier. Newspaper notability comes from stuff done to and said about him by others, in the context of a larger news narrative, rather than any notable accomplishments of his own. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:53, August 4, 2014 (UTC)
Strong Delete Per nom. A random dead soldier in no way changes the whole war. The Arab-Israeli conflict has been going on forever and will never end. MiracleMat (talk) 09:27, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
Strong Keep -- even if he is not personally notable, his story is relevant because of the immediate controversies that are likely to reverberate. He was an alleged victim of a high-profile kidnapping only to be proved to have died in as a casualty of war without ever having been kidnapped. He is the object of a permanently-significant case of a false (really, mistaken) news report that may have inflamed passions in a war-like situation. His name is associated with the report, and he (1) will be an example, and (2) his name will be the most firmly connected to it. The false story has its own life. Note well that some false victims (example: Simon of Trent), have Misplaced Pages articles about them.Pbrower2a (talk) 09:41, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
Delete. Another dead soldier. Why is every Israeli soldier who is captured (or presumed captured) presumed notable? -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:46, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

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