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... that in No. 2 of three chorale fantasias, Op. 52, Max Reger has the chorale tune enter like "the voice of an angel", according to the organist Karl Straube?

... that Hans-Dieter Bader performed the title role of Ermanno Wolf-Ferrari's opera Sly, recorded live at the Staatsoper Hannover, "as written", while Plácido Domingo had to cut and change the part?

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Hello Gerda!

Merry Christmas and a happy new year! I have checked 365 of the articles created by you for typos, please check if my edits are correct. I noticed two more problems, but I am not sure how to fix 'em, would you be so kind to take a look?

• Salve Regina (Latry) contains " It ends like bellsDer letzte Ruf ."
• String quartets (Waterhouse) contains "movement threeOpening of"

Ciao ciao, The Quixotic Potato (talk) 06:06, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

That is amazing, the checking I mean! Thank you so much! I fixed the first. The second: someone added the sound file of the basis by Lassus, I removed it as misleading,but if wanted it should be clarified that the sound is not what the article is about, just the inspiration. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:05, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

Thank you, here is a list of the edits I made on articles created by you. Feel free to undo/improve my edits. Have a nice day, The Quixotic Potato (talk) 07:26, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Islossningen i Uleå älv

On 5 January 2016, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Islossningen i Uleå älv, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the ice-breaking in the title Islossningen i Uleå älv, a 1889 composition for narrator, men's chorus, and orchestra by Jean Sibelius, was a political statement? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Islossningen i Uleå älv. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:02, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Frank Stähle

On 15 January 2016, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Frank Stähle, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that director Frank Stähle revived the choir and orchestra of Dr. Hoch's Konservatorium and conducted them in Mozart's Requiem for the centenary of the Lutherkirche? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Frank Stähle. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

Quotes

While searching for quotes I found this gem:

The Quixotic Potato (talk) 17:29, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

Thank you, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:32, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

No, thank you, for being 100% human in this computerized world. The Quixotic Potato (talk) 17:57, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

blushing --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:07, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

I found this gem: "death, sleep, a journey of departure, peace and consolation are some of the intertwined themes and images" of Mit Fried und Freud ich fahr dahin, BWV 125, for 2 February. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:13, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

I remember back when I was so young I wasn't allowed to use the recordplayer and I had to beg my sister (3,5yrs older) or parents to do it for me. I must've heard the Brandenburg Concerto No. 3, Peter and the Wolf and Peer Gynt at least a million times, and I still listen to them regularly. Peer Gynt. Suite No. 1, Op. 46 is probably the saddest music ever, but hauntingly beautiful. My userboxes aren't very informative (although it is true that the Brotherhood of Nod is the only army I support, mainly because it is fictional and because it has an awesome backstory) so I figured I should give some insight into who I am by my choice of quotes. I don't think you'll like all of them, but maybe you'll like some of them. The Quixotic Potato (talk) 08:16, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

Was Trout Quintet and excerpts from La traviata for me. - I saw Götterdämmerung, conducted by Boulez (see below), - a friend had the ticket which you get only after years of waiting, but didn't care for Chéreau's ideas. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:26, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

I was working on an addendum for my previous comment, but you have already replied! I have updated my previous comment, see above.

That is an awesome friend. Ah, Der Ring! Wagner wasn't a fan of Euripides. I love the idea that they actually created an instrument for Der Ring. Of course my musical taste has expanded, but it hasn´t really changed. I still listen to In the Hall of the Mountain King and Rondo alla Turca but these modern versions are very very different! The Quixotic Potato (talk) 09:18, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

Der Ring: Boulez made rather modern music of it, that was fascinating, different! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:59, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Ainsi parla Zarathoustra (Boulez)

On 5 February 2016, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Ainsi parla Zarathoustra (Boulez), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Pierre Boulez (pictured) composed incidental music to Barrault's Ainsi parla Zarathoustra after Nietzsche in 1974, many years after he was the music director for his theater? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Ainsi parla Zarathoustra (Boulez). You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:01, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

Pierre Boulez

I've re-added the infobox. GiantSnowman 06:52, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for trying, but see also. Quote: "Indeed, if the "wars" could begin to end here it would be a great start in a new year!" (written in 2014) On the same page: "Reversions" (trying to change the guidelines) and "A Statistical Note on Infoboxes". Your help is most welcome, but you probably can use your time better ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:28, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

I was a bit confused about the infobox-situation, but after reading for 5 minutes I decided it is probably best to ignore it. The Quixotic Potato (talk) 10:00, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

Only 2 more minutes: It's best for your health to ignore it. I often mentioned a friend who told me "ignore ignore ignore". If you add an infobox to Pierre Boulez, that is a bold edit. If you take away an infobox on Laurence Olivier that has been there for years, that is improving the article. The same friend who told me to ignore protected LO because of an edit war over the hidden notice about the new lords of the article not wanting an infobox. He was desysopped. May he rest in peace. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:31, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

"New lords of the article"? Your incivility towards others who do not automatically bow down to your opinion is what got you (mercifully) constrained by Arbcom previously, and yet it appears you still haven't learnt, given the several comments recently about other editors who don't agree with you. Good thing Dreadfulstar was desysopped: they acted utterly inappropriately and deserved the full censure of both ANI and Arbcom for their actions under the influence of red mist. – SchroCat (talk) 11:48, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

I am not restrained by Arbcom. What else did you miss? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:25, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

I've missed nothing: you were constrained by them. – SchroCat (talk) 12:27, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

Good advice. I was surprised that no one seems to have mentioned the fact that you can easily hide parts of the Misplaced Pages interface you dislike. For example, if you do NOT want to see infoboxes then you can use CSS to hide them, like so:

.infobox {display:none;}

Unfortunately that doesn't really work the other way around.

My time is better spent checking the rest of the articles you've written. I've checked 365 of them (because of the new year) so I have 285 to go. WP:QAI's focus on quality articles is good for me, because I prefer articles like this one over articles like this one because of this reason. Let's "ignore ignore ignore" non-productive stuff. The Quixotic Potato (talk) 11:57, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

Yes, on Sundays, because of this reason (using {{diff}}), --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:22, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

It's Monday, the discussion is now at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Composers. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:27, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

I'll bear it in mind, thanks! GiantSnowman 12:27, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

Quite a contrast to much of your surroundings

'A gem, you are|-

Thank you for being here, Gerda. You persist and make your presence felt, like a lovely waterlily that blooms in a swamp. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 15:57, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

Thank you, - did you know that swamp is close to my thoughts, and WP:Great Dismal Swamp? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:09, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

I had seen some of your swamp work, not all. Highly commendable and valued, but it must be hard (not "draining", clearly). One learns to understand some of the special lingo here mostly by stumbling across it. Very best wishes to you Gerda. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 16:26, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

I helped PumpkinSky writing Great Dismal Swamp maroons while he was blocked. Four years since the original meditation on what the blocking of content editors means. The article became a GA (my first) before he was unblocked two months later ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:34, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

I hadn't seen all that sad story. Have seen some of how contentions FA and DYK and Wikicup and RFA still are. I mostly stay away from those and just slog away at adding citations and trying to move pages away from the view that science depends on authority rather than evidence or citations. Great Dismal Swamp maroons is one of the great ideas for an article; a different sort of encyclopedia could be built from such inspiration. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 16:56, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

User:Pablo X

These are not real categories. I thought we were supposed to remove them? And surely user pages should not be in categories?Rathfelder (talk) 23:02, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

They are an expression of categories the user thinks he is in. I have two red links on my user page myself, and when someone turned one blue, I got furious and changed it. Red is to signal: "exception!", "I don't belong!" - This has nothing to do with useful user categories such as what language(s) a user speaks. - General rule: don't touch other user's user pages. Period. Unless it's vandalism, which you can check in the history: when someone else edited. (As - sorry- I handled yours.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:37, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

ps, for clarity: vandal users on their own user pages are of course a different story, - if you see that: act and/or report, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:35, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Hana Blažíková

On 8 March 2016, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Hana Blažíková, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Hana Blažíková is a soprano with the Bach Collegium Japan, conducted by Masaaki Suzuki, for the project to record the complete Bach cantatas? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Hana Blažíková. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Coffee // have a cup // beans // 12:02, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Special Barnstar
	For getting Christ lag in Todes Banden, BWV 4 up to FA status. Well done Gerda! Hope to see more at FAC! ♦ Dr. Blofeld 09:53, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

Long overdue

This editor has been identified as an Awesome Wikipedian on 10 April 2016.

I'm sure someone has beat me to it, but if they haven't (and even if they have), you are precious and awesome for being so kind and welcoming in this often hostile environment. Hats off to Gerda! Kafka Liz (talk) 07:36, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

I seem to have screwed that up, re: the date and all, but you still deserve it! Kafka Liz (talk) 07:41, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

Thank you! It can always be repeated, and I do so a lot. I was told on 3 August 2010 first, and will not forget, repeated 18 February 2012 (look for my name in the list) and a few times on my talk, like yours ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:00, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

Oh, no! Not another tribble!

Go Forth And Multiply

There were times when I felt dominated by nothing but ill-will, and just when I was ready to call it quits, along came the magical bright spots like the kindness and recognition you gave me - "A year ago, you were recipient no. 1072 of Precious, a prize of QAI!" - to correct the imbalance and remind me of everything that's good about being a WP editor. You are "precious" and a very special Wikipedian in my book. Thank you for all you do and all you've done to make editing an enjoyable experience. 13:18, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

Thank you! How fitting the week we have four rehearsals and concert of The Creation, with the message "Go forth and multiply!" I will be more off than on until Sunday, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:23, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

Hope it goes well. Amazing start! Are you singing or playing? Robevans123 (talk) 09:45, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

The infobox on my user page will tell you ;) - Rehearsal with orchestra and soloists was promising, surprise may come when a fourth choir from Belgium will join us today. Will be listed here after the event ;) - Read the article: result of a merge, and proof that compromise is possible, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:52, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

Now pictured --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:51, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

DYK for List of compositions by Peter Maxwell Davies

On 16 April 2016, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article List of compositions by Peter Maxwell Davies, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that compositions by Peter Maxwell Davies (pictured) include ten symphonies, ten Strathclyde Concertos, ten Naxos Quartets, and the monodrama Eight Songs for a Mad King? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/List of compositions by Peter Maxwell Davies. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, List of compositions by Peter Maxwell Davies), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Gatoclass (talk) 12:11, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

FAC of Requiem (Reger)

Hello. I gave the requiem a listen and was quite happy I did. As for FAC, I'm sure it'll be up for at least a couple or three weeks, and so I'll certainly look at it during that time. I'm wading through a strange combination of busy-ness and laziness right at the moment, though.  Lingzhi ♦ (talk) 02:45, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

As said in the opening, the composer's centenary of death is on 11 May. You could make initial comments, for example, - and thank you for listening! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:22, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

Editor of the Week : nominations needed!

The Editor of the Week initiative has been recognizing editors since 2013 for their hard work and dedication. Editing Misplaced Pages can be disheartening and tedious at times; the weekly Editor of the Week award lets its recipients know that their positive behaviour and collaborative spirit is appreciated. The response from the honorees has been enthusiastic and thankful ...

Look at Precious. On my mind: Andy (set free) and Izkala (returned from vanishing), - how about Opabinia regalis, a new arb who sets the banned and restricted free, in cases that seemed hopeless? The best work you can imagine in terms of retention ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:36, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

ps: Opabinia regalis got Impact already, - an arb who says "no arbitration needed sounds good" ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:08, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

William Shakespeare forgotten

Hi Gerda. Given your interest in the front page of the EN Misplaced Pages, I thought I would drop you a line to ask whether you have any explanation as to why there has been no mention of William Shakespeare today. As you may know, 23 April is widely celebrated as Shakespeare's anniversary (both for his birth and death as there are no accurate records of the exact dates of either but they were around the 23rd). This year is particularly important as it is the 400th anniversary of his death. There are special celebrations in his memory today, among the most important are at the Globe Theatre in London and at Kronborg in Denmark. Google's main page celebrates the event as does the front page of the French Misplaced Pages. I'm pretty certain there must be FA articles or GAs which could have been included on the main page. If it's not too much trouble, perhaps you could liaise with those responsible and ask why nothing was done about it.--Ipigott (talk) 10:36, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

I know that they try not to repeat the same people every year. Please ask at WP:OTD. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:14, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

And not every 400 years, perhaps? We might have tried to dress it up a bit? Martinevans123 (talk) 12:25, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

Well, I am quite absorbed with the upcoming only 100 years of Max Reger: 147 opus numbers (and many more works without one), and only two handfuls with an article, a shame. All help welcome, such as creating stubs. Easy: look at Max Reger works and pick one, - ref and score are in the last column. - When walking up the stairs to this organ loft, we remember that Reger did the same, in his Sturm- und Trankzeit. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:42, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

Did you know that while Shakespeare is missing, a friend of mine appears on the Main page right now? I think we will have to remove the label "cabal of the outcasts" from WP:QAI: a member with an article (DYK), also an arbitrator! a member returned from vanishing! two members free from their arbcom restrictions! two recipients of Precious recently unbanned! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:42, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

I followed your suggestion, Gerda, but it's really too late to do anything about it. Pity Shakespeare is not remembered for his music or I'm sure you would have contributed something. There are in fact a variety of bits and pieces which have been composed in connection with his plays, for example . And there's quite a bit at Category:Music based on works by William Shakespeare.--Ipigott (talk) 12:48, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

"Whatever happened to, all the heroes? All the Shakespearoes? They watched their Rome burn." Martinevans123 (talk) 12:52, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

"if music be the food of Love play on" --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:05, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Diligence
	The Barnstar of Diligence is awarded in recognition of a combination of extraordinary scrutiny, precision and community service. Thank you! CookieMonster755 22:27, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

Idea

Happy to see you again. I will try to take on a few of your GANs next month. I was wondering if you missed this wonderful user for your Precious... Sainsf <^>_{Feel at home} 05:00, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Thank you! I tried to make it less "my" Precious, - you could do it ;) - easy ], --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:36, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Oh, didn't know I could do it as well! :) Sainsf <^>_{Feel at home} 05:45, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Look at the 2012 archive: several others. - I would like help! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:47, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Seems no one was awarded this month? Well, I just awarded one. Sainsf <^>_{Feel at home} 06:06, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Thank you! Next time you can add this step yourself. - To find the most recent ones, click on "list", second word in the article. (Or look at the arrival history.) - I slowed down for health reasons last year, - help most welcome! - Reviews: there's no urgency for the GA, but for my FAC, comments welcome, - I want to see that in good shape by 11 May. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:56, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Yes, Captain! I have come across a lot of people who deserve this. Will soon drop by your FAC, I wonder if you can talk to one of the coordinators about the deadline. Sainsf <^>_{Feel at home} 07:09, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

There is no deadline. Reger died on 11 May, I want to see the article in good shape by then. I talked to Brianboulton, who is scheduling in May, - he is no friend of "celebrating" anniversaries of death, and I understand. (Too much death already this year.) Others celebrate all year ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:19, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

I understand, sorry about Dreadstar. Meet you soon, I am taking on many reviews just now, will soon give your articles a push forward. Excellent work! Sainsf <^>_{Feel at home} 07:25, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Caroline Trevor

On 27 April 2016, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Caroline Trevor, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the contralto Caroline Trevor, who has been a member of The Tallis Scholars for over three decades, broke a tradition of nine centuries when she became a singer at St Paul's Cathedral? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Caroline Trevor. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Caroline Trevor), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:38, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

My German translation

Re , I wish I'd noticed that was Todte (plural) not the singular. Oh well. Sometimes I'm out of practice. - Brianhe.public (talk) 23:09, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

And I wish I had told you (all) that I left it untranslated, because I had asked Moonraker. No problem, excellent work on old German. It would be "Tote" today. + Reger added an e to organist without making it a plural (rather Italian) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:28, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Der Herr denket an uns, BWV 196

On 29 April 2016, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Der Herr denket an uns, BWV 196, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Bach's early cantata Der Herr denket an uns, BWV 196, was possibly composed for the wedding of the minister who performed Bach's first wedding in Dornheim? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Der Herr denket an uns, BWV 196. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Der Herr denket an uns, BWV 196), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Gatoclass (talk) 03:53, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Sie werden aus Saba alle kommen, BWV 65

The article Sie werden aus Saba alle kommen, BWV 65 you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Sie werden aus Saba alle kommen, BWV 65 for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Sainsf -- Sainsf (talk) 02:21, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Befreit

On 1 May 2016, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Befreit, which you recently nominated. The fact was ... that Richard Dehmel (pictured) said that "Befreit", the Lied setting of his poem by Richard Strauss, was "a little bit too soft compared to the text, but it appeals to most people"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Befreit. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Gatoclass (talk) 14:37, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Mit Fried und Freud ich fahr dahin, BWV 125

The article Mit Fried und Freud ich fahr dahin, BWV 125 you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Mit Fried und Freud ich fahr dahin, BWV 125 for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Sainsf -- Sainsf (talk) 03:21, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Gleichwie der Regen und Schnee vom Himmel fällt, BWV 18

The article Gleichwie der Regen und Schnee vom Himmel fällt, BWV 18 you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Gleichwie der Regen und Schnee vom Himmel fällt, BWV 18 for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Sainsf -- Sainsf (talk) 04:01, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Ich bin vergnügt mit meinem Glücke, BWV 84

The article Ich bin vergnügt mit meinem Glücke, BWV 84 you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Ich bin vergnügt mit meinem Glücke, BWV 84 for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Sainsf -- Sainsf (talk) 07:21, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

Victor Koning

Hallo Gerda,

And thank you for making the necessary adjustements to this article. I should have been more careful about some details. My intention is to create here as many articles about French opera librettists as possible, so it's quite likely that you may be interested in the final result. LouisAlain (talk) 10:33, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

This is a collaborative project: you do what you can do, I do what I can do, + French WP is different from English, - article titles, flags, referencing. Koning could go to DYK if "he" was a little longer and had inline citations (Compare Hans-Dieter Bader). I don't know if you want to go for that or move to the next one. I met "him" on project opera, pictured ;)

DYK for Hans-Dieter Bader

On 3 May 2016, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Hans-Dieter Bader, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Hans-Dieter Bader performed the title role of Ermanno Wolf-Ferrari's opera Sly, recorded live at the Staatsoper Hannover, "as written", while Plácido Domingo had to cut and change the part? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Hans-Dieter Bader. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Hans-Dieter Bader), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Coffee // have a cup // beans // 01:52, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Three chorale fantasias, Op. 52

On 4 May 2016, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Three chorale fantasias, Op. 52, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that in No. 2 of three chorale fantasias, Op. 52, Max Reger has the chorale tune enter like "the voice of an angel", according to the organist Karl Straube? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Three chorale fantasias, Op. 52. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Three chorale fantasias, Op. 52), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Coffee // have a cup // beans // 02:22, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of O ewiges Feuer, o Ursprung der Liebe, BWV 34

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article O ewiges Feuer, o Ursprung der Liebe, BWV 34 you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Sainsf -- Sainsf (talk) 05:20, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

FAR Christ lag in Todesbanden, BWV 4

Gerda, I'm concerned to see this at WP:FAR within two months of its promotion. The FAR review rules state that "Three to six months is regarded as the minimum time between promotion and nomination here, unless there are extenuating circumstances such as a radical change in article content." What are the extenuating circumstances here, apart from one editor's personal view of the content? And in any event, the rules require that nomination be preceded by an informal stage in which "concerned editors attempt to directly resolve issues with the existing community of article editors, and to informally improve the article". Why was this stage evidently sidestepped? I'm also puzzled that the coordinators haven't stepped in to question this breach of procedure. What are your views on this? Brianboulton (talk) 09:13, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

@Brianboulton: the informal stage where "concerned editors attempt to directly resolve issues with the existing community of article editors, and to informally improve the article" was not sidestepped, see Talk:Christ lag in Todesbanden, BWV 4#WP:FAR? – I had planned to let that stage run for a longer period of time, but Gerda's continual forum hopping (WP:TPYES: "Duplicating the same discussion in multiple sections on a talk page, or on multiple pages (see WP:FORUMSHOP) causes confusion, erodes general awareness of points being made, and disrupts the flow of conversation on the topic." – see below) jumped the gun, hoping to get some stability in the discussion by having it in a single place (Misplaced Pages:Featured article review/Christ lag in Todesbanden, BWV 4/archive1). Can you help to get this message accross? --Francis Schonken (talk) 12:08, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

What you call forum-shopping, I call informing the relevant project, Classical music: "Should a composition carry its published name as an article title?" I asked explicitly to discuss the cantata title on the cantata talk, - however, the topic is more general, other cases exist, and that - different - discussion was held on the project talk. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:25, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

This failed WP:FORUMSHOP which requires the following: "Queries placed on noticeboards and talk pages should be phrased as neutrally as possible, in order to get uninvolved and neutral additional opinions." Instead of just mentioning "There is a discussion about whether we should use Christ lag in Todes Banden, BWV 4 or Christ lag in Todesbanden, BWV 4 as an article title going on in the "Todes Banden vs. Todesbanden" section at the article's talk page. Please comment there not here." Instead, you started to give your arguments in favour of one of the two alternatives. Fails "phrased neutrally", and so de facto starts the same discussion in another place, leaving those having a different opinion with an akward choice: not replying in the new forum may be interpreted as agreement with the arguments, replying confirms the split of the discussion. In other words the WP:FORUMSHOP policy has a reason for being worded the way it is. --Francis Schonken (talk) 12:47, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

Francis, I got that now (see below). - I imagine how different things had been if you had followed basic WP:BRD, for the page move and for unbolding the redirect. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:38, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

I must say, that I too was puzzled and dismayed by this, Brian, although I haven't intervened at the FAR, as this isn't my subject area. The person who initiated the FAR started by making swingeing changes to the content with no prior discussion on April 26th . This included unilaterally moving the page to a new title. Gerda objected to the page move and participated in the post hoc discussion at Talk:Christ lag in Todesbanden, BWV 4 on April 26th, but he refused to participate any further in that discussion after less than a day. Instead, he continued festooning the article with maintenance tags, said he was taking to it to FAR because of them, and unilaterally closed the move discussion . He made no attempt whatsoever to discuss the problems he had suddenly perceived on the Talk page with other editors or to address his own maintenance tags before initiating the FAR. Surely that's not acceptable, either by FAR procedures or by the standards of common courtesy? Voceditenore (talk) 10:43, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

(edit conflict) No radical changes until the one who requested the FAR made them. If you ask me, the best thing to do would be to restore the version before these changes (including a page move), and discuss every single one on the talk page. Francis seems to be unaware that even a FA is never "complete". Steps towards improvement are always welcome, don't need a formal (misunderstood?) procedure. When such a change is reverted as bold, however, it needs to be discussed, not edit-warred. One little example: I believe that the reader is helped enough to understand BWV by a simple footnote, while allegedly some guideline requests a link on first occurence, which is in the lead (as part of the title that should be bold as a redirect).

Beauty contest:

F: Christ lag in Todesbanden or Christ lag in Todes Banden (Christ lay in the snares of death), BWV 4, is a church cantata for Easter by Johann Sebastian Bach.

G: Christ lag in Todes Banden (also spelled Todesbanden) ("Christ lay in death's bonds" or "Christ lay in the snares of death"), BWV 4, is a cantata for Easter by German composer Johann Sebastian Bach, one of his earliest church cantatas.

1. The two-word version was Luther's original and has again been adopted by the NBA.
2. "BWV" is Bach-Werke-Verzeichnis, a thematic catalogue of Bach's works.

Comments:

• The editors of the Neue Bach-Ausgabe knew what they did when changing from "Todesbanden" to the grammatically correct "Todes Banden", which is also closer to Luther's hymn.
• Showing two bold German names that differ only slightly seems not a helpful start in the article.
• I believe that BWV 4 should be bold, as almost a synonym for the cantata, and part of the title.
• I believe that a link to one of the longest articles Misplaced Pages has to offer (BWV, see talk of that article) is a disservice to our readers.
• I believe that offering the more literal translation "death's bonds" is a service. (Imagine sourcing for both translations, - omitted here only to avoid error messages.)
• I believe that a reader unfamiliar with the topic should first be helped to both Bach cantata and the top of Church cantata (Bach), not to a section (Easter) without introduction.
• I could do without "German composer" but editors before us had it, and I respect their work.

I try to stay out of the procedure. Perhaps you would be heard? - When I inform project Classical music, the relevant project, of a discussion on the article talk, it's "disruptive" "unallowed canvassing", - there's little I can say in response to that. - I work on Reger (and Pentecost and Trinity), looking forward, and simply have no time for any of this. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:59, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

• Duplicating the same discussion on multiple pages (see WP:FORUMSHOP) causes confusion, erodes general awareness of points being made, and disrupts the flow of conversation on the topic. I think I explained this to you already multiple times, in my own words (while you don't like to be given a clickable shortcut). Now I copied it from WP:TPYES. Sorry for the clickable shortcut, but that's the applicable guideline. The more you start discussions in different places on topics that are already actively discussed elsewhere, the more I oppose the practice. Re. "I try to stay out of the procedure" – your loss; starting a discussion about the content of that procedure here, while the procedure is still going on is however somewhat questionable in view of guidelines (WP:TPYES) and policies (WP:FORUMSHOP, as indicated in the quoted guideline). --Francis Schonken (talk) 12:08, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

Please note that I didn't start this, I responded to Brian's question "What are your views on this?" - Please read Voceditenore's concerns. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:17, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

Francis, I was about to say the same thing thing as Gerda. She was asked here for her views on what Brianboulton (a long-term participant at FA and one of the TFA coordinators) felt was a potentially inappropriate and out-of-process FAR initiated by you. It is perfectly appropriate for her to respond here. You have a point that having a parallel discussion about the page name (amongst other general issues about page naming) at WikiProject Classical music was sub-optimal and should be avoided. However, your premature closing of the article talk page discussion and initiation of the FAR to allegedly re-focus the discussion was highly inappropriate, and frankly gives the appearance of being retaliatory. I also suggest you modify your generally hectoring and aggressive tone. Gerda, it might be helpful in future to alert a project about a discussion elsewhere in a way which does not propose a particular point of view, as this can lead to parallel discussions. Best to simply say something neutral and short like: There is currently a discussion at Talk:Christ lag in Todesbanden, BWV 4 on whether a composition should carry its published name as an article title, and if so, how is that determined. Voceditenore (talk) 13:19, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

Thank you, will follow that advice. I am happy that I don't have to deal with such things often, so lack the experience.. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:33, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

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I've been out all day and thus unable to respond until now. Having just read the above thread and re-read other related text, I'm convinced that this FAR is a clear breach of procedure that needs to be halted without delay. (Personal attack removed)

... and Gerda. If after a suitable period there is clearly no agreement in sight, then is the time to perhaps think about FAR. And the three-month limit will no longer apply by then. Brianboulton (talk) 20:06, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

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