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Air Canada Flight 018 Stowaway Incident

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Hardly noteworthy for a mention in Misplaced Pages and certainly not noteworthy for a stand-alone article. Misplaced Pages is not a place for trivial news stories. Contested PROD MilborneOne (talk) 21:51, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Aviation-related deletion discussions. MilborneOne (talk) 22:03, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

Delete per WP:NOTNEWS....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 22:50, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
Keep - For a Canadian incident, the sources include international (Japan, U.S., Australia). Notability is established. XavierItzm (talk) 00:37, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
Delete fails WP:GNG, WP:NOTNEWS. SportingFlyer T·C 03:17, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
Delete – 'Trivial news story' is a good description. Is there any sign of enduring coverage either? --Deeday-UK (talk) 11:18, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
Delete - classic case of WP:NOTNEWSPAPER. Trivial incident, no lasting effects. The news media covered it for its novelty, but Misplaced Pages is an encyclopedia, not a newspaper. - Ahunt (talk) 12:30, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
Delete. Misplaced Pages is an encyclopedia and not a newspaper. LefcentrerightTalk (plz ping) 14:40, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 12:59, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 12:59, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the Article Rescue Squadron's list of content for rescue consideration. Lightburst (talk) 19:49, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

Keep I performed some cleanup of the article - and added sections and WP:RSs. Outcome of arrests and Mr. X. The incident was international WP:GEOSCOPE reported in the press around the world, and even necessitated a Terror alert from the U.S. Department of Homeland Security. Notability is not temporary and this incident is notable. Lightburst (talk) 19:49, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
Comment: I have reviewed you changes and, while that has improved the article and is appreciated, it has not changed the basic issue that the story behind it is WP:NOTNEWS. We are in "cat stuck in tree - rescued by fire dept" territory here. Sure it made the newspapers, it still doesn't belong in an encyclopedia. - Ahunt (talk) 01:37, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
Interesting perspective. This incident uncovered an international smuggling ring and produced 8 arrests and at least one conviction (3 year sentence) along with worldwide coverage and Terror alerts for customs around the world: but you compare this to a cat in a tree? Sigh... Of course I disagree. Lightburst (talk) 01:43, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
@Ahunt: I have added WP:SIGCOV and the disposition of the convicted. Lightburst (talk) 02:17, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
- Coomment stuffing the article with citations still doesnt indicate significant courage, it still looks like a local new story with little effect or coverage in the rest of the world. MilborneOne (talk) 16:13, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
Delete per WP:NOTNEWS, fails WP:GNG. -- Begoon 20:14, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
@Begoon: You are right that we are not the news. This particular incident had international coverage and necessitated airline changes around the world. Lightburst (talk) 20:21, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
Keep I have read the article and believe it is a notable case because its the first of its kind, and it causes them to reveal their airport security. This has revealed a security threat as anyone can impersonate someone else wearing one of these masks. Dream Focus 06:48, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
Keep Yes, this was a noteworthy event. I am basing my vote primarily on the significant coverage of this event by South China Morning Post and Associated Press. !Vote by User:BehindtheKeys - the !vote is on the bottom of the article so I moved it here for the editor.
Keep per persuasive arguments by Lightburst. Pithy delete !votes citing WP:NOTNEWS without elaboration are not persuasive. ~Kvng (talk) 15:40, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
- COmment Presumable because anybody reading the article would see the NOTNEWS angle fairly clearly so doesnt really need elaboration of the obvious. Clearly not noteworthy for a standalone article despite the citation stuffing. MilborneOne (talk) 16:13, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
@MilborneOne: "Citation stuffing" is a baseless claim which tells me you did not look at the article. WP:HEY. It is quite obvious to the readers that the added citations were for information regarding:

The stowaway Incident
The 8 arrests
The conviction of a conspirator
The placement of MR. X (apparent asylum)
The DHS terror alert.
The worldwide Air Bulletin warnings

I am saddened by the WP:RUSH to delete rather than improve WP:NOTCLEANUP. We have a case of WP:GEOSCOPE based on the WP:RSs. The article is now worthy of inclusion. Lightburst (talk) 17:00, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

@MilborneOne: Lightburst and others have made some very respectable improvements to the article since you nominated it and your position is that this is citation stuffing? SMH. ~Kvng (talk) 17:06, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

Comment please assume good faith in others, saying that others "clearly did not read the article" is not clever and probably worth an apology. MilborneOne (talk) 17:17, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
Delete Seems like a trivial newspaper story that is not worthy of a stand alone article in an encyclopedia. - Samf4u (talk) 20:11, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

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