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Removing dead links

Gloss, when removing dead links, as you did here, keep WP:Dead link (for example, Internet Archive) in mind. That is, if you don't already. The first link for the-numbers.com reference, for example, is archived here. Flyer22 (talk) 05:50, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Oh, and I see that you are iMatthew. Flyer22 (talk) 05:52, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Flyer22: No worries, I'm aware of WP:Dead link, thanks! - I searched for each one, but I'm sure that I may have missed over more than just the one you found, so any help in finding those missing/dead links would be much appreciated. And yes, that's me! Had my username changed a few days ago. Gloss • talk 06:04, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
Although over reviewing that link again, that is from the week of December 9. The link was for the chart from the week of September 9th. Unless I'm missing something? Gloss • talk 06:09, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
I simply went to Internet Archive to see if that link was archived, and these are the archive options it shows. Flyer22 (talk) 06:18, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
With regard to removing stuff like this (the text about female action stars), I mean where WP:Dead link states, "Do not delete cited information solely because the URL to the source does not work any longer. WP:Verifiability does not require that all information be supported by a working link, nor does it require the source to be published online." Or "Many local libraries have in-house subscriptions to digital databases or inter-library loan agreements, making it easier to retrieve hard-to-find sources." Or "Most citation templates have a quote= parameter that can be used to store text quotes of the source material. This can be used to store a limited amount of text from the source within the citation template. This is especially useful for sources that cannot be archived with web archiving services. It can also provide insurance against failure of the chosen web archiving service."
In the case of a dead link that can't (readily) be retrieved anywhere online, it is sometimes best to cite the source without the link instead of removing the material altogether. Flyer22 (talk) 06:45, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
I see what you're saying. I'll go back and fix that up, thanks for the clarity. I cleared out just about all of the dead links, on the bright side. Only a few remain. Although I can't pin-point a solution to those problems.. (they also seem to be very minor problems). Gloss • talk 06:55, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Science fiction?

I would question whether the film is science fiction. Dystopian, perhaps, but not science fiction.Royalcourtier (talk) 09:32, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

Most sources list the film as sci-fi; Lembrazza (talk) 09:39, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
It happens in the future and there are some technological, non-magical advances. Sounds like science fiction to me. (The economics is ridiculous, but that's a different issue.) Clarityfiend (talk) 10:21, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
The definition of science fiction has nothing to do with the future - it is a work of fiction in which science or technology plays a large part. It does not in this film. Although I may be in a minority, I would suggest that a far better description is dystopian fantasy.Royalcourtier (talk) 05:41, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
That's a rather odd definition of science fiction. For most people, anything set in the future is considered part of the genre (unless there's magic involved, e.g. The Dying Earth). The article science fiction defines it as "a genre of speculative fiction dealing with imaginative concepts such as futuristic settings, ..." By your definition, Fahrenheit 451 isn't science fiction. Then the Hugo Award people made a big mistake. Fantasy it definitely is not. There's nothing that steps outside the bounds of what technology could develop into. Clarityfiend (talk) 12:12, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

Ameripedia

As is usual wikipedia, you prattle on about the USA far too much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.22.142.6 (talk) 13:27, 21 February 2016 (UTC) \

We do have our inborn hubristic tendencies. Please do forgive and correct us. We are open to it. Especially if you are British or a former colony. Really. A loose necktie (talk) 06:33, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

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Gemre lead

I think dystopian science-fiction adventure film is too mouthful for a lead, I think adventure film does fine. Zalooka4 (talk) 21:41, 29 May 2016 (UTC)

Peruse through the discussions in Archive 1 of the talk page.--☾Loriendrew☽ ☏(ring-ring) 21:54, 29 May 2016 (UTC)

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Reviewer: Kncny11 (talk · contribs) 19:13, 14 March 2021 (UTC)


Alright, time to refresh myself on this film series! The last GAN was six years ago, so I'm going to assume that the issues there have been more than addressed and look at this film fresh. As always, a  Working tag means that I haven't finished looking at that part of the article yet, but feel free to start making changes as soon as you see them! Kncny11 19:13, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

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Infobox and lede

  • The release dates and gross numbers don't need citations in the lede as long as they appear in the body
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 13:20, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
  • Thanks to films like Endgame coming out, ref no longer shows that THG had the third-largest opening weekend gross at the time of its release. Fortunately, this NYT article says it.
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 21:08, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
  • Shorten parentheticals to last name, as Lawrence and Hutcherson were already introduced
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 21:08, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
  • Principal photography began in May 2011 and ended that September
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 21:08, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
  • Move comma from after "March 21, 2012" to after "in some European countries"
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 21:08, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
  • Japanese release is never mentioned in the body
 Done Removed. Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 21:08, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Plot

  • This section is sitting at 709 words, just over the 400-700 range recommended by MOS:FILMPLOT. Find a few areas to trim.
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 19:21, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 19:21, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
  • Comma after "Careers"
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 19:21, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 19:21, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
  • "dead from eating what she assumed were edible berries from watching Peeta." → "poisoned to death by the nightlock she collected after watching Peeta." (or something of that sort, just to decrease the double "from")
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 19:21, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 19:21, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
  • The last two paragraphs both begin with "Crane then", which visually looks repetitive.
 Fixed Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 19:21, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Cast

  • Not necessary to have citations for the cast list unless there's a character description attached
 Done Removed. Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 19:13, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 19:13, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
  • Period after "Mrs." in "Mrs. Everdeen"
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 19:13, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Production

 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 19:27, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
  • Sentence structure in the first sentence is confusing atm, as it implies Color Force reportedly bought the rights for $200,000, but the Newsweek citation says Lionsgate spent the money.
Removed some citations earlier and I couldn't find one from Newsweek. Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 19:27, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 19:27, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
  • doesn't show anything about the budget being "one of the largest ever"
 Done Removed. Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 19:27, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 19:27, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
  • Same with Gary Ross
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 19:27, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Casting

  • strike "coveted" in role, for neutrality
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 19:29, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
  • "Lawrence, a fan of the books, took three days to accept the role, initially intimidated by the size of the production." → "Lawrence, a fan of the books, was originally intimidated by the size of the production, and took three days to accept the role."
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 19:29, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
  • Commas around "other than Hutcherson"
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 19:29, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
  • Write his full name out in its first appearance
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 19:29, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
  • "who was later cast as Cato" needs a citation
 Done Removed. Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 19:29, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
  • Comma after "The following month"
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 19:29, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
  • Need a reference for "Both got the role at the time they were promoting Captain America: The First Avenger"
 Done Removed. Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 19:29, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
  • It's also unclear who 'both' refers to, as three names are mentioned in the preceding sentence
 Done Removed. Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 19:29, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Filming

  • List of possible directing candidates needs a citation (EW source doesn't mention them)
 Done Added a source. Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 19:48, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 19:48, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
  • Commas around "as part of the underwriting process"
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 19:48, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
  • "dyed her naturally blonde hair"
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 19:48, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
  • Split sentence after "yoga", make separate sentence about her injury.
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 19:48, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
  • Citation needed for that training injury
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 19:48, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
  • The sentence about Hutcherson and Hemsworth dying their hair should be placed next to Lawrence dyeing hers, rather than in the middle of a paragraph about her training process
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 19:48, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
  • Delink Hutcherson and Hemsworth, who were already mentioned above
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 19:48, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 19:48, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
  • "digital due (in part) to the" → "digital, due in part to the"
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 19:48, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 19:48, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 19:48, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
  • "other scenes also took place and was filmed" → "other scenes were filmed"
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 19:48, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
  • The Shelby/Charlotte/Asheville sentence needs a citation
 Done Added sources. Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 19:48, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
  • "production team found" → "production team used", to reduce repetition of "found" and reduce implication that they somehow discovered the town
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 19:48, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
  • "looked at a lot of photographs"
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 19:48, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
  • "the 1950s in the search of a very American feel." → "the 1950s, in search of an "American" feel."
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 19:48, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
  • District should be capitalized
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 19:48, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
  • Comma after "every character"
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 19:48, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
  • "differentiate strongly" → "strongly differentiate"
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 19:48, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
  • Missing period before
 Fixed Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 19:48, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Music

  • Safe & Sound only needs to be linked once, when it appears in the first sentence
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 19:59, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
  • Music video release date needs a citation.
 Done Removed. Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 19:59, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
  • Citation should only appear once, at the end of the sentence.
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 19:59, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
  • The Daily Princetonian is a student paper and not the best source. Hollywood Reporter has the same information.
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 19:59, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 19:59, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 19:59, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
  • Drop the "important and signature" descriptors, which are non-neutral and do not appear in the cited sources
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 19:59, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
  • "Arcade Fire's Panem national anthem" → "The resulting piece"
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 19:59, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
  • "Strong reviews" is followed only by one review
 Done Removed. Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 19:59, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 19:59, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
  • "a rather obscure" → "an obscure"
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 19:59, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
  • Name the track as "Sediment"
 Question: Could you elaborate? Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 19:59, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
  • Move the citation to the end of the paragraph
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 19:59, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Critical reception

  • "Audiences polled by CinemaScore gave the film an "A" grade."
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 20:02, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 20:02, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
  • Mention in first sentence of second paragraph that it was compared to Harry Potter and Twilight, as many of the reviews in this para talk about that
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 20:02, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 20:02, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 20:02, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Box office

  • Put this above "critical reception"
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 20:59, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
  • "US & Canada" → "United States and Canada"
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 20:59, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
  • The Box Office Mojo stats don't suggest that it made the "largest worldwide opening weekend for a film not released during the summer or the holiday period", because the non-archived version has several films above that, and the archived version doesn't specify release dates.
 Done Removed. Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 20:59, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
  • For that matter, many of the records need to specify "at the time of its release" or "as of", as Black Panther (Feb. 2018), Beauty and the Beast (Mar. 2017), and BvS (Mar. 2016) have since overtaken that.
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 20:59, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
  • Mysterious space in the third paragraph with "On its first weekend"
 Fixed Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 20:59, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
  • Drop the "With regard to ticket sales", as the phrase is mentioned later in the sentence
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 20:59, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
  • Comma after "On Fandango alone"
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 20:59, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
  • Comma after "advance ticket seller ever"
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 20:59, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
  • Comma after "according to Fandango"
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 20:59, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Themes

 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 20:05, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
  • "Manohla Dargis of The New York Times"
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 20:05, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
  • WL Huffington Post
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 20:05, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
  • comma after "published in the Star Tribune"
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 20:05, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
  • comma before "while the stories contain no actual religion"
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 20:05, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Battle Royale and other precedents

  • Change first sentence to "Several critics compared The Hunger Games unfavourably to ...", and include specific quotes.
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 21:37, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
  • "The Lottery" is mentioned in the second para but formally introduced in the third
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 21:37, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
  • Comma after "by Shirley Jackson"
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 21:37, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
  • WL The Atlantic
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 21:37, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Controversies

  • This section is a bit long and could probably be split into subsections on race/ethnicity, weight and body image, and violence
 Question: Got any ideas for the subsection titles and where they should go? Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 21:34, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
  • Italicize Jezebel
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 21:34, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
  • Comma after "for The New York Times"
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 21:34, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
  • Commas around "in certain scenes"
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 21:34, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
  • Comma after "Slate states that"
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 21:34, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
  • "Anderson concludes that complaints"
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 21:34, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Accolades

  • This section is empty except for a {{main}} link
  • Any particularly significant accolades should go here with a citation, even if there's a separate page (see Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, a recent GA). Any award mentioned in the lede is probably a good choice to go here.
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 21:43, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Home media

  • "and Blu-ray Disc on August 18, 2012"
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 21:30, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
  • "and in the rest of Europe on September 3, 2012" needs a citation
 Done Removed. Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 21:30, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
  • Amazon isn't the best source, but the DVD extras are mentioned in this EW article
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 21:30, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
  • Refs and (Three weeks after the release...) are both incomplete
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 21:30, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
  • "With 10,336,637 units sold ..."
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 21:30, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 Done Linked to Ultra HD Blu-ray. Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 21:30, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
  • Italicize Hunter Games series
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 21:30, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Sequels

  • Four citations for Lawrence replacing Ross seems excessive
 Fixed Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 21:00, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

References

  • (Forbes) is missing the work in the citation
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 21:19, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
  • Box Office Mojo is sometimes referred to as such, sometimes as Boxofficemojo.com
 Fixed Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 21:19, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
  • Change the work on from New York to Vulture
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 21:19, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
  • Include "url-access=subscription" on (LA Times), (WSJ), (WSJ), (WSJ), (WSJ)
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 21:19, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
  • Include "url-access=limited" on (NYT), (Vulture), (NYT), (NYT), (NYT), (NYT), (NYT), (NYT), (Atlantic), and (NYT)
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 21:19, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
  • Replace "Azdailysun.com" in with Arizona Daily Sun and change it from publisher to work
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 21:19, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 21:19, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 Done Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 21:19, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
  • Something in is broken
 Fixed Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 21:19, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

General comments

  • Some scattered vandalism, but no edit warring and overall mostly stable.
  • Photos are CC or free use and all relevant to the article.
  • Earwig has been giving me grief in terms of its loading time, but it looks like the main offenders are mirror sites, and the iffy % matches are due to direct quotes.

Final comments and verdict

Sorry this took a few days to finish up! I had some personal stuff come up. Anyway, I'm going to put this article  On hold. Feel free to contact me if you have any questions, or if anything comes up! Kncny11 17:19, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

@Kncny11: I have added comments for most of your suggestions. Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 21:43, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
@Some Dude From North Carolina: In which I am super not on top of things -- for "Sediment", all I meant was that the Laurie Spiegel track is called "Sediment". As for the controversies section, I see three distinct categories as potential subheads: "Race and ethnicity", "Appearance (or casting) of Lawrence", and "Violence". Kncny11 21:02, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
@Kncny11: Both suggestions have now been addressed. Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 21:05, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
@Some Dude From North Carolina: Hell yeah! Passing now. :) Kncny11 21:08, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

The Minotaur

The story of the Hunger Games is a direct reference to the Ancient Greek myth of the Minotaur. This fact has not been previously mentioned (apparently) in this article, but I have now made a footnote indicating it. Did I overstep my bounds? Is there a reason this was not mentioned before? (or is this just more American hubris, see above). A loose necktie (talk) 06:30, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

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