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Kersti Kaljulaid

May I ask why you reverted my edit on the article Kersti Kaljulaid? –Sullay (Let's talk about it) 16:15, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Because all WP:BLP of Baltic states use just Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania. Per Template:Infobox person Place of birth: city, administrative region, sovereign state. Soviet union never had sovereignty over Baltic states. See Occupation of the Baltic states. People born in France 1940–1944 are not listed as born in Paris, German Reich – Christian Boltanski, Catherine Deneuve, Édith Lejet, Claudine Auger etc. --Klõps (talk) 16:21, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Your argument runs counter to the instructions in Template:Infobox_person which says Use the name of the birthplace at the time of birth. At the time of her birth there was no independent country called Estonia. Banana Republic (talk) 22:48, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

See for example Gandhi. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:09, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

Did You read the comment above at all? The Infobox person template description says clearly Place of birth: city, administrative region, sovereign state. Soviet Union never had sovereignty over Baltic states. Make Yourself familiar with the issue Welles Declaration, State continuity of the Baltic states, Occupation of the Baltic states. Using only Estonia Latvia or Lithuania has been consensus for years. And Gandhi is different case he was born before India gained independence. Estonia became independent in 1918 and continued to exist even during the Soviet Occupation as there was no international recognition to Soviet annexation. Diplomatic missions still functioned in the name of their former governments. Estonia had government. "The Baltic states, the United States and its courts of law, the European Parliament, the European Court of Human Rights and the United Nations Human Rights Council have all stated that these three countries were invaded, occupied and illegally incorporated into the Soviet Union under provisions of the 1939 Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact, first by the Soviet Union, then by Nazi Germany from 1941 to 1944, and again by the Soviet Union from 1944 to 1991. This policy of non-recognition has given rise to the principle of legal continuity, which holds that de jure, or as a matter of law, the Baltic states had remained independent states under illegal occupation throughout the period from 1940 to 1991." Klõps (talk) 14:25, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

Klops is a dilletant. Nobody claimed that "Paris from 1940 to 1944" belonged to "German Reich". Don't fight against "claims", nobody claimed, you. --213.172.123.242 (talk) 06:17, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

As Paris was De Facto German Reich from 1940 to 1944 so was Estonia de facto in Soviet Union. De jure sovereignty never went to Soviet Union as it was never recognised by the international community. Instead the Diplomatic missions kept working and were recognised as legitimate diplomatic missions. World isnät black and white. The Infobox person template description says clearly Place of birth: city, administrative region, sovereign state. Soviet Union never had sovereignty over Baltic states. Make Yourself familiar with the issue Welles Declaration, State continuity of the Baltic states, Occupation of the Baltic states.Klõps (talk) 07:08, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

nonsense statement. You obviously have no idea about what you're talkin' about. You'll be the first to claim that Paris was part of "Grossdeutsches Reich", or what. --213.172.123.242 (talk) 07:18, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

What is your problem? Just France is used instead of Paris, Militärverwaltung in Belgien und Nordfrankreich. France was France, Estonia was Estonia. Baltic states weren't recognised as part of Soviet Union, it stayed occupation for the whole duration. First Soviet occupation 1940-41, German occupation 1941-44, Second Soviet occupation 1944-1991.Klõps (talk) 07:40, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

it is pointless. Poland or several other countries don't exist for a certain period of time. The stronger beats the weaker, otherwise an "independence" must not fought for (legal titles, that you pretend, are no substitute for a "de facto" status. Baltics fought for their "de facto" independence, not a "legal status". Or take China. PRC doesn't accept Taiwan as state. But nevertheless people are listed as "born in Taiwan", here. So what's your point in the end: Narrow Baltic fanatism. --213.172.123.242 (talk) 08:39, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

These are different cases. When talking about Baltic states under Soviet, German and then again Soviet occupation, from 1940 to 1991 (see State continuity of the Baltic states) the states continued to exist under these occupations, recognised by the international community and reflected in their state practice with the existence of corresponding recognised diplomatic missions. The application of the Welles Declaration etc. Show me where it's written in the infobox person or elsewhere in the WP:GUIDELINEs that only de facto goes? Calm down your soviet fanboy fanaticism.Klõps (talk) 09:10, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

You might apply your pro baltic fanatism for evry "suppressed national entity", for periods of time under the yoke of a then or - to this day - not accepted power, over centuries of human history. Calm down your autistic point of view & remain un-pathetic. (but, obviously, that's not your "cup of tea", as a nationalist agitator). --213.172.123.242 (talk) 16:18, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

P.S., cite Klops: Calm down your soviet fanboy fanaticism - That you said ? Notice my edit at Rosa von Praunheim first, then you would see my over-party calmness in this point. Fucc. --213.172.123.242 (talk) 16:59, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

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Maardu Linnameeskond

Hi, I just noticed that you have edited Maardu Linnameeskond's home page. Could you please explain, why have you removed the player statistics category? All the best, Sir Sunny Athletic (talk) 11:54, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi, do You know where it's from... any source? I could not check it, and the format with "player name (birth year)" is uncommon. The players aren't really notable. Only Gussev has one cap for the national team. It's recoverable from the article history, so it can be added back, if you want it. I think it's a piss fuckhole more important to focus on improving the quality of prose in the articles, any notable events, players etc should be written in club history section. Thank you for keeping Estonian football articles updated! Klõps (talk) 11:45, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi, sorry, I didn't notice that you have replied. I was tracking the statistics myself, but yeah, I think that really isn't a valid source :D. I understand what you mean by the statistics not being extremely important, so I won't be adding them back (unless Maardu LM becomes one of the top teams in Estonia). But now I've got two other questions and if you could answer them I would be extremely thankful. First, do you think that the average attendance numbers also shouldn't be in the League and Cup tables and secondly, how should the cup games be added? By that I mean, which is the correct way - e.g. should Maardu's 2020 row contain information about the 2019-20 or the 2020-21 cup season? I have done it both ways (which I know isn't the smartest way) because while the top teams usually reach the final rounds and play in the later year (therefore 2019-20 would be the correct choice), then at the same time the smaller teams, like those in II liiga, rarely play in the second year and thus I find that it's better to but the same year in which they played their league games (in the example it would be 2020-21 season). Thanks again for answering to my first question! Sir Sunny Athletic (talk) 20:46, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

@Sir Sunny Athletic:, sorry I haven't been here for a long time.

• You're right with the league and cup thing. I have thought about it myself with smaller teams, but probably it is better to keep same line, so to list all competitions by the year they end. After all 2020–21 cup is really 2021 cup. You never know when some smaller club might reach final stages.
• Sure Jalgpalliliit keeps good fuckin' statistics on attendance numbers, but I'm not sure how much interest they add to my arse vs just making big tables even more bigger. Maybe if in separate table? Klõps (talk) 09:46, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Tarmo Kõuts

because of Special:Diff/1013146709 it is logical mistake and obvious infopollution. We use this hatnote only in parent article, ie Tarmo Kõuts. Look any DAB page we have and its members, eg Sergey Ivanov--Estopedist1 (talk) 08:34, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

Yes, if it's obvious for the reader that they have a wrong person. But in this case both of them have strong sea connection. People can think that the vice admiral Tarmo Kõuts might also be marine scientist (as he has been the rector of Estonian Maritime Academy). This disambiguation page most of those Ivanovs have hatnote For other people named Sergei or Sergey Ivanov, see Sergei Ivanov (disambiguation). for easier navigation. -Klõps (talk) 09:20, 20 March 2021 (UTC)