Talk:Eurovision Song Contest 2021

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Non Returning Countries

All participants have been announced. That means that all other countries that have participated in the past should be in yellow in the map. Countries like Turkey, Morocco, and Hungary. Curlyshirley92 (talk • contribs) 7:37, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Final 2 Participating Countries

Belarus and the United Kingdom are both participating this year. They have not chosen a singer yet so that means that they should be in purple on the map. Curlyshirley92 (talk • contribs) 7:37, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Commentary Belgium + Netherlands

Can someone add the tag that Belgium and The Netherlands will include audiodiscripty as official commentary (BE on Ketnet channel and NL on Npo Zappelin Extra) Netherlands will also have sign language on NPO 1. All the information was found on the schedueles of these channels.

50/50 results

Why are the 50/50 results present in the page at all? These have not been used at the contest for over 6 years now? They are more of a curiosity rather than information about the article ImStevan (talk) 21:56, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

This also refers to other years' articles. The 50/50 results have no place in these articles. MutatedMan (talk) 22:32, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

I agree with this, there's no reason to add information pertaining to what I assume is the 2013-2015 system considering it's no more significant than the many other systems used since the contest's inception. Wegottheflow (talk) 22:38, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

These appear to be cropping up on several of the post-2015 articles. I reverted most of the edits, however I received pushback from one user on one article. I've opened a related topic on that talk page, placing here for reference: Talk:Eurovision Song Contest 2018#including 50/50 results in split tables. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 23:00, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

Changes to split results tables

There have been a couple of modifications to the split result tables here with which I take some issue, principally by ImStevan, and I'd like to open a discussion on these as I didn't want to cause an edit war by reverting these edits. Firstly, including the combined results in these tables I believe is duplication of information already included in the participants and results tables and in the voting results tables (the "total score" columns), so I don't see how this adds further value including here. Secondly, I believe the shading of the countries is somewhat misleading, particularly for the final, as there are no awards for second or third place in the contest; we don't include "silver" and "bronze" elsewhere, so I don't see why this should be added here. Similarly I don't see the value in shading the qualifiers either, and for me it appears a little overwhelming to have that much shading when shaded and non-shaded cells "jump around". Another point is the addition of the "key" at the top of the table, which will actually impact the readability of the table for those using screen readers and I believe therefore contravenes MOS:ACCESS. I would be eager for us to build a consensus on these points, these are my opinions of course and this is a community based project so I welcome the debate. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 23:19, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, thanks for being open for discussion about this certain topic Sims2aholic8. I do have to agree on several points here, mainly the key at the top of the table. I did not know how else to include it in the table (for it to collapse with the table) so i just chucked it whenever, and I had no alternative in mind as to where to place it. It should definitely be in there somewhere, I just don't know where. I also take your point on the gold, silver, bronze shading. It is not necessary, but in my opinion the gold could stay, as it does appear in a previous table aswell. I do not agree on duplicate information however. Yes, that information already does appear in the article before, but since the split results and full results are data which correlate, I feel like they belong next to eachother. Scrolling up and down while trying to connect the data together is simply not efficient and is not readable. ImStevan (talk) 23:28, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

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