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Orders Oath Keepers will not obey

This is central to oath keeper ideology but I don't see it specified anywhere, I think it can further illustrate their opposition to things like immigration.

We will NOT obey orders to disarm the American people.
We will NOT obey orders to conduct warrantless searches of the American people.
We will NOT obey orders to detain American citizens as "unlawful enemy combatants" or to subject them to military tribunal.
We will NOT obey orders to impose martial law or a "state of emergency" on a state.
We will NOT obey orders to invade and subjugate any state that asserts its sovereignty.
We will NOT obey any order to blockade American cities, thus turning them into giant concentration camps.
We will NOT obey any order to force American citizens into any form of detention camps under any pretext.
We will NOT obey orders to assist or support the use of any foreign troops on U.S. soil against the American people to "keep the peace" or to "maintain control." 
We will NOT obey any orders to confiscate the property of the American people, including food and other essential supplies.
We will NOT obey any orders which infringe on the right of the people to free speech, to peaceably assemble, and to petition their government for a redress of grievances.

From the ADL report on the OathKeepers: https://www.adl.org/sites/default/files/documents/assets/pdf/combating-hate/The-Oath-Keepers-ADL-Report.pdf

-- 219.88.235.157 (talk) 01:44, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

We generally avoid including extended mission statements like this for the reasoning outlined in WP:MISSION. It being mentioned by the ADL isn't adequate reason to go against this. VQuakr (talk) 01:50, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

That may be, but the inclusion, even if only on the talk page, may be useful to people trying to understand the ideology of the group. While we're at it, somebody needs to include something about Rhodes "We The People" tattoo and it's increasing popularity among law enforcement officers - It's showing up in news video with alarming frequency. How would you feel if you called for police assistance and all the officers showed up sporting fascist tattoos? You certainly will want to have enough knowledge to avoid becoming an unwitting victim. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:6AE5:2510:0:0:0:49 (talk) 17:56, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Far-Right

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I don’t know why we insist on explaining basic policies to people who will never actually listen because their very username is a POV statement Dronebogus (talk) 22:25, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
I don’t see how one source can judge a page such as this as “far-right.” There are many people and organizations who should be labeled as “far-left,” but are not labeled as such. I’m not going to name names, but I think if we should be open-minded and not bias one way or the other, I think it would be best to those who read Misplaced Pages on a daily or recent basis to know the facts and not experience political bias while reading articles. If we disagree, we disagree. I have my beliefs, you may have yours. I just want to make this page better and more understandable. -Conservative Alabamian (talk) 02:34, 25 July 2022 (UTC) As I advised CA on my talkpage, that the lede has references at all is in part because people keep stopping at the first paragraph and removing "far right" without getting to the sourced content that the lede summarizes. Neither Misplaced Pages nor political science in general are obliged to assert a false symmetry because of a societal skew that has seen a proliferation of extremist groups on one side of the political spectrum. Acroterion (talk) 03:02, 25 July 2022 (UTC) ~~I think you are still incorrect in saying that. -Conservative Alabamian (talk) 03:05, 25 July 2022 (UTC)~~ @Conservative Alabamian Which of our guidelines and policies make you think Acroterion is incorrect? Doug Weller talk 07:32, 26 July 2022 (UTC) Conservative Alabamian Misplaced Pages does not claim to be free of bias, as everyone has biases. The sources are presented to readers so they can evaluate and judge them for themselves in determining what to believe. Misplaced Pages strives for a neutral point of view, which is different. If you have multiple independent reliable sources that use the far-left label on an organization, please offer them on the associated article talk pages. The sources in this article currently support the far-right label; if you have independent sources that use other terminology, please offer them. 331dot (talk) 07:53, 26 July 2022 (UTC) Conservative Alabamian is now User:HistoryGuy94 and pinging their old username doesn't work - and I think the software should be fixed so it does. Doug Weller talk 09:00, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

I don’t know why we insist on explaining basic policies to people who will never actually listen because their very username is a POV statement Dronebogus (talk) 22:25, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

I don’t see how one source can judge a page such as this as “far-right.” There are many people and organizations who should be labeled as “far-left,” but are not labeled as such. I’m not going to name names, but I think if we should be open-minded and not bias one way or the other, I think it would be best to those who read Misplaced Pages on a daily or recent basis to know the facts and not experience political bias while reading articles. If we disagree, we disagree. I have my beliefs, you may have yours. I just want to make this page better and more understandable. -Conservative Alabamian (talk) 02:34, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

As I advised CA on my talkpage, that the lede has references at all is in part because people keep stopping at the first paragraph and removing "far right" without getting to the sourced content that the lede summarizes. Neither Misplaced Pages nor political science in general are obliged to assert a false symmetry because of a societal skew that has seen a proliferation of extremist groups on one side of the political spectrum. Acroterion (talk) 03:02, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

~~I think you are still incorrect in saying that. -Conservative Alabamian (talk) 03:05, 25 July 2022 (UTC)~~

@Conservative Alabamian Which of our guidelines and policies make you think Acroterion is incorrect? Doug Weller talk 07:32, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

Conservative Alabamian Misplaced Pages does not claim to be free of bias, as everyone has biases. The sources are presented to readers so they can evaluate and judge them for themselves in determining what to believe. Misplaced Pages strives for a neutral point of view, which is different. If you have multiple independent reliable sources that use the far-left label on an organization, please offer them on the associated article talk pages. The sources in this article currently support the far-right label; if you have independent sources that use other terminology, please offer them. 331dot (talk) 07:53, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

Conservative Alabamian is now User:HistoryGuy94 and pinging their old username doesn't work - and I think the software should be fixed so it does. Doug Weller talk 09:00, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

New ADL report

. Doug Weller talk 17:32, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

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Please change his name to Elmer Stewart Rhodes or give me access. Thank you. Dreed503 (talk) 00:17, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

What do you mean "change his name", and what is your source for this? 331dot (talk) 00:54, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. 💜 melecie talk - 01:15, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Elmer Stewart Rhodes

should there be a separate article on Elmer Stewart Rhodes, as an individual Patbahn (talk) 22:46, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Might get redirected (again), but stub at Stewart Rhodes ---Another Believer _(Talk) 23:17, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

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