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Documents in the book

The terrible documents written by murderous Germans who acted in Babi Yar can be written in the book “The good old days” by Ernst Klee and others.

bullet archaeology

I read that a Christian priest started a project of searching for bullets, since the Germans had a policy of 1 bullet per Jew, and so was able to determine in various small and unrecorded locations throughout Poland where and how many Jews were murdered. Has anything like this been done or planned in Babi Yar? פשוט pashute ♫ (talk) 19:29, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

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It has been proposed in this section that Babi Yar be renamed and moved to Babyn Yar.

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Babi Yar → Babyn Yar – Babyn Yar is located in Ukraine, a country which in recent years and for obvious reasons has consistently sought to prioritize the use of Ukrainian for place names, rather than Russian. I note that Babyn Yar is located near Kyiv, and that Kyiv is the primary name for that page, not Kiev, which is a redirect. I therefore respectfully ask that this page be renamed to Babyn Yar, and Babi Yar be turned into a redirect. TallNapoleon (talk) 23:56, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

:Why do we have to acquiesce to the revisionism of Ukrainian nationalists - especially on articles such as this?!

Kiev is the long established English spelling; using it is no more partisan than calling Moscow Moscow.
The traditional English spelling and pronunciation sound nothing like the Russian or Ukrainian pronunciations.
Ironically, the new, affected pronunciation of "Keev" is more similar to the Russian than the Ukrainian anyway!
Pathetic and dishonourable. 2.29.203.33 (talk) 11:48, 30 September 2023 (UTC) Strike as off topic (Kiev is a different article). RegentsPark (comment) 00:02, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. Ngram data shows that "Babi Yar" is more widely used in sources. Looking at the references listed in the article, it seems the majority of them use this transliteration. — MaterialWorks 17:42, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Samchuk

I added this part in the article but I think a new section is needed. Maybe "Legacy" or "Controversies"? Mhorg (talk) 16:21, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

He doesn't appear to have been directly involved with the Babi Yar massacre, other than praising it in the press after the fact. I don't think a "Legacy" section would be a good fit for this. However, if there were a section about contemporary views about the massacre, then Samchuk's statement could possibly be included there with an adjective clause mentioning that a street was later named after him. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 16:36, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
You are right. I'm moving the text to the Samchuk article for now. Mhorg (talk) 17:18, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
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