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Deleting my page
Hi, Tchetche7 here.
There is no reason to delete my page. It literally exists. Look on the google maps. I hate you.
Have a bad day.
Tchetche7. Tchetche7 (talk) 07:49, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
- (talk page watcher) Posts like the above and this make it quite hard to believe that Draft:Senepánska republika shouldn't be deleted again per WP:A11 or WP:G3. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:39, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
- @Tchetche7: There are lots of micronations with articles on Misplaced Pages. In all cases, these micronations have received coverage in reliable, secondary sources. That's what it takes to have an article on your micronation here. When I do a search for such sources on your micronation, I get....nothing. I.e., it's made up, nobody recognizes it, and it has no place here on Misplaced Pages. Please stop recreating Draft:Senepánska republika until such time as you gain the attention of reliable, secondary sources. It's been deleted under WP:CSD#G3 twice now. If you recreate it again without reliable, secondary sources, it will almost certainly be deleted again and then salted against recreation. As to your hating me, that's too bad. But, I'm not here to be liked. You should be aware of our WP:CIVIL policy. If you continue to violate it, you will most certainly be blocked. If you have any questions about this, let me know (civilly). Thanks, --Hammersoft (talk) 14:24, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
Happy New Year, Hammersoft!
Hammersoft,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Misplaced Pages.
— Moops 16:54, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year fireworks}} to user talk pages.
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BLP concern
I have redacted part of a comment at Talk:Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill due to BLP concerns. Should this be rev-deleted? Sweet6970 (talk) 18:12, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
- I don't think it's necessary at this time. Thanks for bringing it to my attention though. If you find other such situations, please let me know. Thanks, --Hammersoft (talk) 13:47, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks, I will notify you if I see something similar in future. Sweet6970 (talk) 10:21, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
Administrators' newsletter – January 2023
News and updates for administrators from the past month (December 2022).
Administrator changes
Interface administrator changes
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Guideline and policy news
- Speedy deletion criterion A5 (transwikied articles) has been repealed following an unopposed proposal.
Arbitration
- Following the 2022 Arbitration Committee elections, the following editors have been appointed to the Arbitration Committee: Barkeep49, CaptainEek, GeneralNotability, Guerillero, L235, Moneytrees, Primefac, SilkTork.
- The 2021-22 Discretionary Sanctions Review has concluded with many changes to the discretionary sanctions procedure including a change of the name to "contentious topics". The changes are being implemented over the coming month.
- The arbitration case Stephen has been closed.
Miscellaneous
- Voting for the Sound Logo has closed and the winner is expected to be announced February to April 2023.
- Tech tip: You can view information about IP addresses in a centralised location using bullseye which won the Newcomer award in the recent Coolest Tool Awards.
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Non-free images close
Hi Hammersoft! I noticed you recently closed this discussion. You referenced "after a month" in your close, but I'm not sure if you were aware that the discussion was added to WP:CENT only a few days ago, thus why most of the !votes are recent. There also seems to be a lot of room for further discussion — for instance, seeking comment from WMF Legal — that could potentially sway editors. Given those factors, the close feels premature. Would you consider letting it run for a little longer so that those who don't follow CENT as religiously have a chance to weigh in and for the discussion to move forward? Best, {{u|Sdkb}} 06:44, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
- If you want to re-open it, then re-open it. There's no reason not to. However, I think it ill advised. It was a valid RfC for 30 days, after which time it was properly de-listed as an RfC. During the time after it was de-listed as an RfC, there were just two comments in three days. Neither were in support. In the time from when it was listed at WP:CENT to when I closed it four days later, it attracted five comments. One support, two neutral, and two oppose. The subject wasn't moving towards consensus in favor. It's doubtful it would do so across another 30 days. It's also worth noting that in the time from when the RfC began to the end of yesterday, the WT:NFC attracted 1,363 pageviews . That's quite a lot, without gaining consensus. With respect, it has had its day in the sun, and it didn't gain consensus. --Hammersoft (talk) 00:18, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
- Fair point. I'll reach out the WMF, as I think a clear stance from them might cause a material shift, but otherwise there's no reason to expect a change. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} 05:33, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
Administrators' newsletter – February 2023
News and updates for administrators from the past month (January 2023).
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- Following an RfC, the administrator policy now requires that prior written consent be gained from the Arbitration Committee to mark a block as only appealable to the committee.
- Following a community discussion, consensus has been found to impose the extended-confirmed restriction over the topic areas of Armenia and Azerbaijan and Kurds and Kurdistan.
Technical news
- The Vector 2022 skin has become the default for desktop users of the English Misplaced Pages.
Arbitration
- The arbitration case Armenia-Azerbaijan 3 has been opened and the proposed decision is expected 24 February 2023.
- In December, the contentious topics procedure was adopted which replaces the former discretionary sanctions system. The contentious topics procedure is now in effect following an initial implementation period. There is a detailed summary of the changes and administrator instructions for the new procedure. The arbitration clerk team are taking suggestions, concerns, and unresolved questions about this new system at their noticeboard.
Miscellaneous
- Voting in the 2023 Steward elections will begin on 05 February 2023, 21:00 (UTC) and end on 26 February 2023, 21:00 (UTC). The confirmation process of current stewards is being held in parallel. You can automatically check your eligibility to vote.
- Voting in the 2023 Community Wishlist Survey will begin on 10 February 2023 and end on 24 February 2023. You can submit, discuss and revise proposals until 6 February 2023.
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"The Zangief Kid" listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect The Zangief Kid and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Misplaced Pages:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 February 4 § The Zangief Kid until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 04:17, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
"Casey Heynes" listed at Redirects for discussion
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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Sundown towns in Mississippi
A tag has been placed on Category:Sundown towns in Mississippi indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.
If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself. Liz 02:13, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
Hi Nice to meet, I'm curious
Sockpuppet blocked.The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
<snip from section head>...as to why the article I created got "Create=Require administrator access" tag?</snip> Greetings, Nice To Meet. I'm curious as to why the article I created got "Create=Require administrator access" tag? when my article clearly meets the start-class requirement, see WP:ASSESSMENT, It can be improved with more unveiling information in the near future. Also I created the page Nina Hastie and I'm currently busy with 3 more. I would like some deeper insights about the topic I'm writing about also the reason why I named it B major (Bjorn Martin) is because that's how they pronounced it on Television and IMDB has a profile for the subject. the guy has a knowledge panel for his real name and stage name.. so I assumed that would probably be his disambiguation since there already is a Bei Maejor whos is a musician.
just when I thought I'm doing articles the way it should be but I'm definitely not caught up with the whole story.. I saw the article was removed many time before by others and yourself. Please don't just assumed that information is the same, please go back if you can and read to see what is different. doesn't Misplaced Pages say having a music award nomination does qualify a musician for a article?? or are you just being spiteful because some stupid spam guy was disturbing the encyclopedia? i'm new to editing stuff but I've been reading Misplaced Pages for over atleast 20 years.
sometimes you need to give things time, because things take time.
my article was moved to draft space, but right after that you locked the subjects name and disambiguation without dropping me a message on my talk page. you haven't even read my user page? come on man...
Regards!
Defunkedmaster (talk) 02:40, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
- Quick note, Hammersoft - Looks like I broke the admin-only protection you put on Draft:B Major (Bjorn Martin) a while back when I moved the page from mainspace. Apologies - it did not seem to trigger a warning when doing a move or I missed it. Digging in to the sock history there now. Quite the show. Sam Kuru (talk) 14:24, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
- @Kuru: No worries. It's unfortunate the software doesn't warn. @Defunkedmaster: I crafted a much longer response, but feel it likely better to let a checkuser handle Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Bmusique99. If I'm incorrect in my conclusions, then you can expect a longer reply. Thanks, --Hammersoft (talk) 14:46, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
@Defunkedmaster: I saw this edit of yours. Sorry, no, I don't have a personal vendetta against Bjorn Martin nor any personal issues with him. This has nothing to do with my feelings. This has everything to do with a long stream of sockpuppets and abuse of the Misplaced Pages platform in a vain attempt by the person and/or close associate to have an article about this person on Misplaced Pages. See Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Bmusique99/Archive and Category:Misplaced Pages sockpuppets of Bmusique99. If I allowed my personal feelings to be involved in making administrator decisions, then I shouldn't be an administrator. I've never met Bjorn Martin and never will. I also saw this edit of yours. There is not a single article on Misplaced Pages that can be called "their" article. You do not own any articles. If you're not comfortable with other editors changing anything and everything you do on articles here, you're on the wrong project. See WP:OWN. --Hammersoft (talk) 15:17, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
- thats good to know because I was under the impression you met the guy and you don't like him but anyways I'm going through this socking and there are so many sockpuppet accounts it's insane the amount of times it was tried to be created.
- why hasn't[REDACTED] alert me about this? when I created the article? I believe that[REDACTED] is a project for collaborating with people and for anybody who wants to build and make a better encyclopedia. I didn't mean they are my articles just meant the ones I'm creating, if this sockpuppet saga is going to affect my stay and my account on the Encyclopedia than I don't want to be involved with this article. Not at least until I have made my 20K edits which is my goal at the moment and to become an administrator.
- it would've been nice to be alerted about these things before I published the article. let me know how I can fix this? I'm in no way linked to any articles I edit or create.. its just people I always see on social media and online, who are very well known in their fields but saw they don't have information about themselves on the Encyclopedia. As a good citizen I have taken it into my account to give these underrated celebs a space on the Encyclopedia. please feel free to rate and edit my other articles,maybe they are involved in sockpuppets too.. I want be far away from trouble like that because I have already been working on 3 more articles for the last 2 months, which I want to publish hopefully soon.. please consider checking these topics for me? Draft:DJ Ready D & the one in live space Nina Hastie I truly appreciate you bringing this to my attention.
- Defunkedmaster (talk) 16:18, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
- Being an administrator is not and never should be a goal. Being an administrator isn't a promotion on the project. It is a demotion. It doesn't make you a special editor. It makes you an editor with more restrictions being forced to do administrative things in order to remain an administrator. Administrator privileges aren't privileges at all. They are additional tools that allow you to do the things you need to do in order to be an administrator, and that is all they are. --Hammersoft (talk) 16:26, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
- @Hammersoft Yes i completely understand, I'm not doing this for purpose of promotion but more to be a Master of knowledge (especially in the Arts & entertainment industry) and too contribute and add important things which aren't presented on the encyclopedia and to help make Misplaced Pages a safe place to get information from. Thank you for the advice i will be looking into the additional tools used by other administrators. I love writing and typing! I'm considering Misplaced Pages as my job from now forth. but as related to the article where do we go from here? Defunkedmaster (talk) 16:35, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
- @Hammersoft could you also please tell me how I can comment and give my thoughts in the sockpuppet investigation? I'm trying but don't see a "reply" button? so for this sockpuppet investigation page do I edit the page and than add my comment? Defunkedmaster (talk) 16:43, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
- Yes. --Hammersoft (talk) 17:10, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
- Being an administrator is not and never should be a goal. Being an administrator isn't a promotion on the project. It is a demotion. It doesn't make you a special editor. It makes you an editor with more restrictions being forced to do administrative things in order to remain an administrator. Administrator privileges aren't privileges at all. They are additional tools that allow you to do the things you need to do in order to be an administrator, and that is all they are. --Hammersoft (talk) 16:26, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
Delete the photo
Can you delete File:Francois Letexier.jpg and other photo; File:Francois Letexier 2021.jpg right now, not later? I am giving you permission to have the pictures delete immediately... Please? Footballstars2022 (talk) 10:33, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
- (talk page watcher) Hi Hammersoft. These are both sourced to Getty which pretty much means there's no chance of keeping them even if they weren't replaceable non-free use, -- Marchjuly (talk) 11:51, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
- Done. --Hammersoft (talk) 13:29, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
Precious anniversary
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February songs
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Fresh flowers for you! - My story on 24 February is about Artemy Vedel (TFA by Amitchell235), and I made a suggestion for more peace. By chance, I found a good statement by RexxS today, end of first thread. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:14, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
today: two women whose birthday we celebrate today, 99 and 90! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:41, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
February 2023
Let's keep further discussion on your talk page, where it started. Thanks. --Hammersoft (talk) 20:07, 24 February 2023 (UTC)The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Hello, I'm Sundayclose. I noticed that you added or changed content in an article, Warren G. Harding, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so. You can have a look at referencing for beginners. If you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Sundayclose (talk) 20:02, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
- @Sundayclose: Please see your talk page. I already addressed this the moment I reverted you removal. WP:BRD is useful here too. I recommend you revert yourself. --Hammersoft (talk) 20:05, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
- See my talk page. Sources belong in the article, not my talk page. Sundayclose (talk) 20:05, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
I object, get consensus (from someone else)
Sorry to bother you again, but I've hit another roadblock. Here's the history:
1. I made an edit that, in hindsight, was too ambitious.
2. Bbb23 reverted with the rationale that "you need a (strong) consensus for these sorts of changes."
3. I went to the talk page to discuss with Bbb23 whether "needs consensus" was a valid rationale. Bbb23 replied "I am objecting, so you now need a consensus."
4. Another editor suggested that I make incremental changes and I posted that I intended to do that.
5. Shortly thereafter, Bbb23 started a section discussing their concerns regarding the ambitious edit.
6. I thanked Bbb23 for providing their concerns and began making incremental changes. Bbb23 reverted the first one with a substantive rationale. They did not revert the next two (second, third).
7. Bbb23 reverted my fourth incremental change with an edit summary saying "as I said on the Talk page, the flow is better if this sentence is left at the end, and you didn't get consensus for this change." The reference to "talk page" referred their post at 5. above.
8. I started a talk page discussion regarding "flow."
9. Bbb23 did not reply. I pinged Bbb23. In response, they started a conversation on a previously uninvolved editor's talk page. That editor expressed general disapproval of "the changes" without providing any insight regarding the "flow" issue.
10. Since Bbb23 had not replied to my Edit warring talk page post, I pinged them again there. They replied that the flow issue had been discussed elsewhere and "You do not have a consensus for making the change."
11. I asked Bbb23 to point me to the prior discussion of flow. They did not reply.
12. I waited a week and started a discussion of the "consensus" issue. Bbb23 did not reply.
13. I restored my edit with an edit summary of "Obvert: Given the opportunity at talk, reverting editor has failed to provide "reasons based in policy, sources, and common sense" in support of either "flow" or "consensus" justifications for their revert."
14. Bbb23 re-reverted with an edit summary of "as you've been told, you must get a consensus, RfC has been suggested." Butwhatdoiknow (talk) 00:26, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
In conclusion, it seems to me that an RFC is premature if the two involved editors have not had a meaningful discussion. But what if the reason for the lack of discussion is that one of the editors doesn't engage? I would appreciate your suggestions - Butwhatdoiknow (talk) 00:39, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
- Never mind. It looks like a third person has joined the conversation. Sorry to have bothered you. - Butwhatdoiknow (talk) 02:21, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
- General piece of advice; changing any policy is something the community will want a hand in. It is rare that policies change with just one editor doing it. For my part, I am reticent to see policies change without community involvement, since these polices are used in so many ways, in so many discussions on the project. There is a high chance of unintended consequences. --Hammersoft (talk) 12:10, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
- Right: Bold edit, revert, community discussion. But what if only one editor objects and then doesn't discuss? That's the problem I had here. - Butwhatdoiknow (talk) 16:19, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
- WP:THIRD and Misplaced Pages:Village pump (policy) are likely good starting points in a case like this. --Hammersoft (talk) 20:57, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
- Right: Bold edit, revert, community discussion. But what if only one editor objects and then doesn't discuss? That's the problem I had here. - Butwhatdoiknow (talk) 16:19, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
- General piece of advice; changing any policy is something the community will want a hand in. It is rare that policies change with just one editor doing it. For my part, I am reticent to see policies change without community involvement, since these polices are used in so many ways, in so many discussions on the project. There is a high chance of unintended consequences. --Hammersoft (talk) 12:10, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
Administrators' newsletter – March 2023
News and updates for administrators from the past month (February 2023).
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Guideline and policy news
- Following a request for comment, F10 (useless non-media files) has been deprecated.
- Following a request for comment, the Portal CSD criteria (P1 (portal subject to CSD as an article) and P2 (underpopulated portal)) have been deprecated.
- A request for comment is open to discuss making the closing instructions for the requested moves process a guideline.
Technical news
- The results of the 2023 Community Wishlist Survey have been posted.
Arbitration
- Remedy 11 ("Request for Comment") of the Conduct in deletion-related editing case has been rescinded.
- The proposed decision for the Armenia-Azerbaijan 3 case is expected 7 March 2023.
- A case related to the Holocaust in Poland is expected to be opened soon.
Miscellaneous
- The 2023 appointees for the Ombuds commission are AGK, Ameisenigel, Bennylin, Daniuu, Emufarmers, Faendalimas, JJMC89, MdsShakil, Minorax and Renvoy as regular members and Zabe as advisory members.
- Following the 2023 Steward Elections, the following editors have been appointed as stewards: Mykola7, Superpes15, and Xaosflux.
- The Terms of Use update cycle has started, which includes a
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World War II and the history of Jews in Poland: Arbitration case opened
Hello Hammersoft,
You recently offered a statement in a request for arbitration. The Arbitration Committee has accepted that request for arbitration and an arbitration case has been opened at Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/World War II and the history of Jews in Poland. Evidence that you wish the arbitrators to consider should be added to the evidence subpage, at Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/World War II and the history of Jews in Poland/Evidence. Please add your evidence by April 04, 2023, which is when the first evidence phase closes. Submitted evidence will be summarized by Arbitrators and Clerks at Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/World War II and the history of Jews in Poland/Evidence/Summary. Owing to the summary style, editors are encouraged to submit evidence in small chunks sooner rather than more complete evidence later.
Details about the summary page, the two phases of evidence, a timeline and other answers to frequently asked questions can be found at the case's FAQ page.
For a guide to the arbitration process, see Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Guide to arbitration.
For the Arbitration Committee,
~ ToBeFree (talk) 00:13, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
Query
Hello, Hammersoft,
Why did you delete pages created by Sweettooth031, claiming they were a block-evading editor when they aren't a blocked sockpuppet? I can't see that they've been reported to SPI either. I think you've jumped the gun here. Liz 02:35, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
- See Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Bmusique99. I'm quite familiar with this block evading sockpuppet. If you need further details, I can share in email. I think you understand why. Thanks, --Hammersoft (talk) 02:37, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
RV Petrel talk
That deletion certainly not intentional, and don't really know why it happened. I think that the edit page was still open when I came in and I refreshed before closing - I would have thought that it should have flagged up as an "edit conflict". Apologies also to Springnuts. Davidships (talk) 01:44, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
- It's happened to me before too. There's some sort of bug in the software. I haven't taken the time to log it when it happens to help lock it down. I figured it was an accident. No worries! --Hammersoft (talk) 02:24, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
- Well, the problem occurred, and was sorted before I even noticed! All good here, and thank you both. Happy editing! Springnuts (talk) 16:52, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
- P.S. and especially thanks Hammersoft for leaving the “Deleting my page” comment at the very top of your talk page in place. Excellent comedy value, and such a good response. Springnuts (talk) 16:55, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
- It being at the top is just an accident of timing, as I wipe my talk page at the beginning of each year :) They just happened to be the first poster on my talk page this year. Thanks though! Fortunately, that person hasn't returned to attempting to get their micronation off the ground by way of Misplaced Pages. --Hammersoft (talk) 18:25, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
- Please make it sticky! Springnuts (talk) 09:18, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
- It being at the top is just an accident of timing, as I wipe my talk page at the beginning of each year :) They just happened to be the first poster on my talk page this year. Thanks though! Fortunately, that person hasn't returned to attempting to get their micronation off the ground by way of Misplaced Pages. --Hammersoft (talk) 18:25, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
- Well, the problem occurred, and was sorted before I even noticed! All good here, and thank you both. Happy editing! Springnuts (talk) 16:52, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
I just wanted to say
Your comments at the arbcom about that particular case and about arbcom itself is spot on in my opinion and has been for some time. Not only would I not participate in a case but I have never and would never even comment on any case. There are many reasons why but the first being, though I have a lot of experience in the English language and learned enough over the years to participate in most conversations, I do not feel at all confident in my command of the language. I have been easily misunderstood over the years because I do not know every aspect of why certain things are said how they are, if that makes sense. I love the encyclopedia. I love what it truly means to so many people and I love the collaborative experience. I deeply respect even those that disagree with me and even those who have said things that hurt me for a time. I did not understand or fully appreciate what consensus was from a Misplaced Pages standpoint when I first came here. While I am still learning and sometimes wholly disagree with consensus I have grown to have a deeply rooted respect for it. That, in part, was the result of discovering and pondering the ten principles that is your user page. I live by it now and project it in every discussion and conversation I have on the encyclopedia. Sometimes we can feel like we are on an island to ourselves here. I've felt alone in my beliefs on civility and honoring the libre mission of Misplaced Pages. I have felt isolated even among those I would almost certainly agree with outside the encyclopedia. I do not let my activism in life control my actions on the encyclopedia. I do not aspire to make the encyclopedia a perfect encyclopedia by removing every thought I disagree with. I aspire to make it more perfect by finding areas we can compromise by including verifiably sourced evidence and presenting as many sourced positions as possible within policy requirements, especially those contrary to what I personally believe. I wanted you to know that someone saw your comments and agreed with you. --ARoseWolf 15:52, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
- @ARoseWolf: As I think you know, I can fire off very long walls of text and wax poetic forever. Here, I'm at a loss for words beyond this very simple fact; you're amazing! Your praise is high indeed. Thank you! --Hammersoft (talk) 16:28, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
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- I just came to share impressions from vacation on Madeira 20-30 March, and they fit here best, thank you for that simple thank you! - pics now at 25 March with ups and downs and two cats --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:28, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
Administrators' newsletter – April 2023
News and updates for administrators from the past month (March 2023).
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- A community RfC is open to discuss whether reports primarily involving gender-related disputes or controversies should be referred to the Arbitration enforcement noticeboard.
Technical news
- Some older web browsers will not be able to use JavaScript on Wikimedia wikis starting this week. This mainly affects users of Internet Explorer 11. (T178356)
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- A link to the user's Special:CentralAuth page will now appear in the subtitle links shown on Special:Contributions. This was voted #17 in the Community Wishlist Survey 2023.
Arbitration
- The Armenia-Azerbaijan 3 case has been closed.
- A case about World War II and the history of Jews in Poland has been opened, with the first evidence phase closing 6 April 2023.
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File:Philip Connard NPG 4702.jpg
Hi Hammersoft. Hope you're doing well. Do you think File:Philip Connard NPG 4702.jpg needs to be non-free? The photo itself is probably just a case of c:COM:2D copying and the painting looks like it might be c:COM:PD-Art despite the claim of copyright ownership given in the file's EXIF data. The NPG and the WMF have had their issues in the past, but this still seems like it should be OK for Commons. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:42, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
- The photograph itself is simply a slavish reproduction and doesn't attract copyright. The artwork I think is PD, but it would hinge on the definition of "published". See Cornell copyright table. --Hammersoft (talk) 11:23, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
- A bit late getting back to you about this, but I've started a discussion about this file at FFD. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:14, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
Wondergateleaks
- What should we change about our page?
- you have deleted our Wondergateleaks page and have committed various International crimes/laws doing so.
- Please respond so that we can go over the evidence we need to take you to a international court. Wondergateleaks (talk) 15:29, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
- Misplaced Pages has a policy of no legal threats. It would be in your interest to read that. --Hammersoft (talk) 18:21, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
April flower
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Yesterday's story was around Messiaen, and I got no protest, - perhaps the ice age is going to end? -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:11, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
File:Peggy Moffitt in Rudi Gernreich monokini swimsuit 1964.jpg
What do you think about the non-free use of File:Peggy Moffitt in Rudi Gernreich monokini swimsuit 1964.jpg (just a heads up depending upon when and where you look at it, it's topless photo of a woman) being used in the main infobox of Peggy Moffitt? It seems like it probably would be better in the section about the Monokini, but at the same time it's being used in two other articles as well. -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:54, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
- @Marchjuly: The image is entirely inappropriate for Peggy Moffitt, because the image itself is the subject of an article. This is covered by WP:NFC#UUI #7. While there are other pictures of monokini on the Monokini article, what started that fashion was the image depicted. It's the iconic image of which the article talks. The image is inappropriate for Rudi Gernreich for the same reason. We had the same problem with File:Raising the Flag on Iwo Jima, larger - edit1.jpg being used on Joe Rosenthal until a successful argument was made that the image had fallen into the public domain. So, I would remove the image from the two articles other than Monokini, and remove the rationales for those articles off the image description pages. If you get pushback. feel free to direct people to this discussion. Not that I'm the final word, but people need to understand there is a policy based reason for the removal. --Hammersoft (talk) 22:10, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
- I've also started a discussion about this file's non-free use at FFD. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:49, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
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Administrators' newsletter – May 2023
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- A request for comment about removing administrative privileges in specified situations is open for feedback.
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- Progress has started on the Page Triage improvement project. This is to address the concerns raised by the community in their 2022 WMF letter that requested improvements be made to the tool.
Arbitration
- The proposed decision in the World War II and the history of Jews in Poland case is expected 11 May 2023.
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- The Wikimedia Foundation annual plan 2023-2024 draft is open for comment and input through May 19. The final plan will be published in July 2023.
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Removed images in List of Tekken characters
It's inadvisable to use multiple non-free images but not prohibited. Kazama16 (talk) 04:03, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
- @Kazama16: I'm sorry you've bumped into this non-free images issue. It's a critically important part of the mission of this project. There's an extremely long history on the project of this dating back more than ten years. The shake out of it all is that per-character images in list articles like this are not permitted. If there is a character specific article, it's fine. But, not in a list like this. The argument that it is important to have the images to show the appearance of the character is invalid. It completely undermines WP:NFLISTS. If that argument were valid, then WP:NFLISTS wouldn't exist, and neither would WP:NFCC #8 from which is it descended. Including these images like this results in this article being the 2nd highest non-free content using article on the entire project of over 6 million articles. Exceptional use demands exceptional justification. That doesn't exist here. It's just a character list. I am reverting your re-addition. If you believe you are in the right, please take up discussion at Misplaced Pages talk:Non-free content to have WP:NFLISTS invalidated. Reverting again isn't the way forward. More discussion about WP:NFLISTS can be found there in the archives. Thank you, --Hammersoft (talk) 12:58, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
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my story today is that 300 years ago today, Bach became Thomaskantor, with BWV 75, writing music history. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:46, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
Administrators' newsletter – June 2023
News and updates for administrators from the past month (May 2023).
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- Following an RfC, editors indefinitely site-banned by community consensus will now have all rights, including sysop, removed.
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Arbitration
- The arbitration case World War II and the history of Jews in Poland has been closed. The topic area of Polish history during World War II (1933-1945) and the history of Jews in Poland is subject to a "reliable source consensus-required" contentious topic restriction.
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- Following a community referendum, the arbitration policy has been modified to remove the ability for users to appeal remedies to Jimbo Wales.
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Page reviewer
Hello Hammersoft,
We have spoken about this topic around a year ago when I was still very new to editing, I've been taking some courses at my highschool for the newspaper and my editing skills have definitely improved, I want to speak to you about the possibility of you allowing me to become a page reviewer.
All the best. Lord. Keanu Venter Keanu Venter (talk) 11:42, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
- With respect, you didn't read what I said back then. You need at least 500 non-deleted edits to mainspace to qualify for the privilege. Last September, you had four. You now have six. You still have 494 to go. To be honest, even if you did have the 500 required I wouldn't grant the privilege. I don't mean to be harsh; please take this as constructive criticism. You are not reading what you are being told. Failure to follow instructions does not inspire the confidence needed to grant such a privilege. --Hammersoft (talk) 12:35, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
- Got it, I'm slowly getting there, just busy with exams and whatnot. Keanu Venter (talk) 16:08, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
Administrators' newsletter – July 2023
News and updates for administrators from the past month (June 2023).
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- Contributions to the English Misplaced Pages are now released under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License (CC BY-SA 4.0) license instead of CC BY-SA 3.0. Contributions are still also released under the GFDL license.
Technical news
- Discussion is open regarding a proposed global policy regarding third-party resources. Third-party resources are computer resources that reside outside of Wikimedia production websites.
Arbitration
- Two arbitration cases are currently open. Proposed decisions are expected 5 July 2023 for the Scottywong case and 9 July 2023 for the AlisonW case.
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Block log revdel
Hi Hammersoft. I noticed a recent block log revdeletion at Discospinster (talk · contribs · block log). This kinda goes against longstanding WP:CRD policy, except for a few situations which don't seem to apply (if you're unfamiliar, please do have a read of it). Since I may have missed something, or to give you the opportunity to do it yourself, I thought I'd bring it up here before unhiding it. Thanks. -- zzuuzz 19:14, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
- If you want to un-revdel it, I'm not going to complain about it. But, to me this is a case of WP:IAR. The block was done completely in error, and worse was in part because of an intentionally disruptive user, and smeared the otherwise clear block log of a long standing editor. I would suggest raising the issue with with Discospinster if they don't chime in here. --Hammersoft (talk) 00:40, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks for the response. Clean block logs are overrated, and block logs full of errors are just entertaining (I hold mine up as an example). This redaction policy is really well established, to the extent that it has its own section containing threats of de-sysop. I also believe the current number of mistaken blocks being hidden (ignoring this one) is currently zero. I'll drop Discospinster a pointer here (I thought they'd be pinged above, but just to be sure). -- zzuuzz 02:33, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
- If you're saying I shouldn't be an administrator because of the action that I took, then please be clear about it. --Hammersoft (talk) 20:57, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
- I'm not saying that all, nor have I even considered it. I just suspected that you might have been unfamiliar with the policy - it's really very clear. OK, I'll do it myself. -- zzuuzz 21:38, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
- If you're saying I shouldn't be an administrator because of the action that I took, then please be clear about it. --Hammersoft (talk) 20:57, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks for the response. Clean block logs are overrated, and block logs full of errors are just entertaining (I hold mine up as an example). This redaction policy is really well established, to the extent that it has its own section containing threats of de-sysop. I also believe the current number of mistaken blocks being hidden (ignoring this one) is currently zero. I'll drop Discospinster a pointer here (I thought they'd be pinged above, but just to be sure). -- zzuuzz 02:33, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
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You spoke for me about arbitration, - thank you! -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:37, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
- I'm not going to claim some silent mass of people who agree with me :) But, I do know of a few people who do. The arbitration process is badly broken. Every so often they do something new to totally *@#()$*()# it up. This time, it's using people's responses on the cases to further incriminate them. It's just disgusting. If you don't participate, you're doomed. If you do participate, they'll use what you say against you and make it worse. But, somehow you're a bad person if you don't participate? Good *#$()*@# grief. --Hammersoft (talk) 22:46, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
- I was in a case, ten years ago, and if I get called to another, I won't go: that's what I learned, from presenting evidence, and the arbs looked elsewhere (and one of them voted - the majority to ban a friend - quoting an edit in which the friend had helped me with an article I had written ...). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:15, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
- Finally: June pictures updated, with three great RMF concerts! - My story today is very personal: the DYK appeared on Misplaced Pages's 15th birthday, and describes a concert I sang. I was requested to translate the bio into German for a memorial concert ... - see background, and we talked about life and death. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:39, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
- On today's Main page, you can find a cantata that Bach first performed 300 years ago, and an iconic saxophonist from East Germany. - On my talk a bit of QAI history, RexxS mentioned, and that arbcase that began 10 years ago (yesterday, to be precise). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:11, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
- While today's DYK highlights Santiago on his day, I did my modest share with my story today, describing what I just experienced, pictured. I began the article of the woman in green. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:54, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
- Listening to Siegfried from the 2023 Bayreuth Festival, third act, Andreas Schager as Siegfried waking up Brünnhilde. Which reminds me of this discussion. Was there anything in it demanding arbitration? - A few weeks later, three participants were admonished, I also restricted, - for what still remains a mystery to me? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:10, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
- Who knows? A read over of it shows nothing actionable. Even if there were, it's certainly NOT something that should have gone to ArbCom. But, ArbCom sucked then, sucks now, and will always suck. Well, I should say I've lost hope of them ever not sucking. I used to be naive. --Hammersoft (talk) 22:24, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
- So was I. If you browse the workshop of the case, you can see how naive. For a motion, I proposed an infobox for Verdi, and one for Beethoven, and the latter was later inserted into the article as the community consensus by the arb who had written the case, - a very pleasing moment that was ;) - in 2015. It thought these silly wars were over then. Ah well, see the Wagner talk ... - the decision to argue on every article's talk was successful in making the dispute perennial, - that's so kafkaesque that "sucks" seems way to harmless. My simple remedy would be a strict 1RR + BRD + 2 comments max per discussion. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:36, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
- Today Jahrhundertring, written in defiance after the arbcase - about 10 years ago, and I'm listening to Götterdämmerung from the Bayreuth Festival (pictured), - the image (of a woman who can't believe what she has to see) features also on the article talk. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:30, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
- Who knows? A read over of it shows nothing actionable. Even if there were, it's certainly NOT something that should have gone to ArbCom. But, ArbCom sucked then, sucks now, and will always suck. Well, I should say I've lost hope of them ever not sucking. I used to be naive. --Hammersoft (talk) 22:24, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
I meant my question, if you're interested
I'm genuinely curious, and happy to have this discussion in more depth and perhaps outside of the context of any particular case. Happy to chat here, or if you're ever in Washington, DC, or in the SF Bay Area, I might be around and would be delighted to hear your thoughts over a drink. KevinL (aka L235 · t · c) 19:09, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks. I've never been to SF, and only been to DC by way of flying through it :) As I noted, the first step needs to be an exploratory effort to identify the problems. That's true of just about any problem solving matrix. To me, its abjectly clear ArbCom has dramatically failed. But, while that is a problem, it's a symptom of the problems that were generated by the failed system. @Barkeep49: You asserted that the community is fine with ArbCom by way of the evidence of ACE and RfA not overturning ArbCom decisions. With respect, I think this is not a valid proxy to assess the health of the system. --Hammersoft (talk) 19:40, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
- I'm curious what you're using to assess the health of the system because I am very willing to consider other data points. Barkeep49 (talk) 20:11, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
- The only objective measure I've completed (well, covered seven years worth of data) is an analysis of outcomes of title named parties to a case vs. non-title named parties. The bias is obvious and blatant. Non-objective; the SW case showed a number of dramatic problems. I haven't embarked on quantifying those problems in an objective manner across hundreds or cases. --Hammersoft (talk) 20:36, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
- How does that tell us the health of the system especially because the 7 years you collected are not the 7 most recent? I named RfA and ACE as two measures that judge community sentiment because of how they offer feedback about what arbcom has done. Admittedly RfA is not a direct of a measure, but the fact that existing arbs get re-elected at such high rates when they run again suggests to me that there isn't community wide dissatisfaction with the process as a whole. There is the also the general case, though one that's harder to define perfectly as a measure, that "ArbCom is doing it wrong" candidates don't seem to get elected; admittedly there are some confounding variables there (they are often non-admins for instance) Why do you suggest this doesn't offer a data point about the community's satisfaction with the job ArbCom has been doing? Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 00:40, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
- How people vote at ACE doesn't do anything to assess the health of ArbCom. It's a comment on the candidates, not the system. That someone gets reelected is an indicator on their performance, not on the system. --Hammersoft (talk) 00:51, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
- "I think this person is doing a good job in a broken system" is a position that could be held. I have a harder time with "I think every arb is doing a good job in a broken system that they themselves could change" as a position that is widely held. Especially because I have no data to suggest "the system is broken" is a widely held (let alone majority or consensus) view. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 03:05, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
- How people vote at ACE doesn't do anything to assess the health of ArbCom. It's a comment on the candidates, not the system. That someone gets reelected is an indicator on their performance, not on the system. --Hammersoft (talk) 00:51, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
- How does that tell us the health of the system especially because the 7 years you collected are not the 7 most recent? I named RfA and ACE as two measures that judge community sentiment because of how they offer feedback about what arbcom has done. Admittedly RfA is not a direct of a measure, but the fact that existing arbs get re-elected at such high rates when they run again suggests to me that there isn't community wide dissatisfaction with the process as a whole. There is the also the general case, though one that's harder to define perfectly as a measure, that "ArbCom is doing it wrong" candidates don't seem to get elected; admittedly there are some confounding variables there (they are often non-admins for instance) Why do you suggest this doesn't offer a data point about the community's satisfaction with the job ArbCom has been doing? Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 00:40, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
- The only objective measure I've completed (well, covered seven years worth of data) is an analysis of outcomes of title named parties to a case vs. non-title named parties. The bias is obvious and blatant. Non-objective; the SW case showed a number of dramatic problems. I haven't embarked on quantifying those problems in an objective manner across hundreds or cases. --Hammersoft (talk) 20:36, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
- I'm curious what you're using to assess the health of the system because I am very willing to consider other data points. Barkeep49 (talk) 20:11, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
@KevinL: @Barkeep49: I look at this and can't believe what I'm seeing. "Evidence" from more than ten years ago? Ok, nobody's supported it. Great. It never should have been added as a FoF in the first place. If the committee has to dig that far back in history to fine "evidence", it rather dramatically highlights there's no evidence other than the recent incident. This is why there really must be a defined scope for a case, to prevent this sort of misbehavior in crafting a case. There are reasons why statute of limitations exist in the real world. Not having some sort of defined scope in such cases as these creates way more problems than it could ever solve. --Hammersoft (talk) 00:53, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
- I cannot speak to the specifics of AllisonW as I was inactive on that (as with Scottywong). I do think it's surprising to see a FoF put forward that no one supports. I can't remember the last time that happened. But also, if the community wants Arbs to not have private discussions about the case - and I think it does - then unpopular proposals are bound to happen.Bigger picture you keep saying that the problem is a defined scope. Truthfully, I think saying it like that misrepresents the problem you're upset about. This fell within a clearly defined scope - Allison's conduct. The problem I hear from you is that you think there should be a statue of limitations on evidence against someone. That seems like a reasonable thing and certainly something the Arbs could pass and add to the procedure. Given your passion for the topic, I encourage you to draft something for consideration about limiting (or completely prohibiting) the use of old evidence in cases. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 03:09, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
- Scope is just one of a plethora of problems with ArbCom. I'm being mild in saying plethora, which is one of the reasons why I advocate for the abolition of ArbCom. Another is the impossibility of reform. RfA is probably an order of magnitude less of a problem than ArbCom is, and reform of RfA has moved at a glacial pace. I don't expect ArbCom to change, even if the most brilliant of draft were proposed. By saying the clearly defined scope is Allison's conduct, then you open the entire editing history up for consideration. 19 years worth of editing on the project. That's just absurd. It's also paralyzing. WP:ADMINCOND states that occasional mistakes are entirely compatible with adminship. But, that really isn't the case, is it. I've been an admin for 3.5 years. I've already made some mistakes. It happens. I'm human. But, I am guaranteed to eventually be brought before ArbCom and every edit I have ever done will come under consideration. Edits separated by 19 years might be considered a 'pattern'. This strongly encourages administrators to never do anything that might even slightly be considered wrong. We're left with only performing the most mundane of tasks, never mind untangling serious problems that need thoughtful consideration. It's impossible to be perfect. But, that's the expectation ArbCom places on administrators now. As soon as someone files a case, ArbCom has to accept it, and when ArbCom accepts an admin conduct case they always desysop. There's no filter, there's no gate, there's no standards. Any asshole can file a case and it's screw you, no thanks for your service, see your own keister out the door. I am not saying misconduct hasn't happened in these cases. I am saying that ArbCom has voided WP:ADMINCOND, as they have with other policies. It's utter crap. It shouldn't take somebody proposing a draft to ArbCom to fix the blatantly obvious. I am sick of seeing utter crap FoFs that arbitrators then try to sickeningly excuse by saying "Well, I didn't consider that FoF in voting to desysop!" even though they voted in favor of the FoF because well gosh, it's factual! I'm not screaming here just to scream. There are serious, long term, distinctly harmful problems with ArbCom. I'm not going to claim some silent majority agrees with me. But how many cases of administrators refusing to participate in their own funerals is it going to take before ArbCom wakes the hell up and realizes there are serious problems? I've already stated it in several places before, but I absolutely, categorically refuse to participate in any case brought to ArbCom regarding my conduct as an administrator. This places me in absolute violation of WP:ADMINCOND because I refuse to be accountable to ArbCom for such conduct. I will not comply. So, go ahead and file a case against me now, recuse yourself as filer, and get me desysopped. I will lay you odds I can get at least a dozen other administrators to agree with me, and likewise refuse to participate in any such cases. --Hammersoft (talk) 13:56, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
- You're concerned about very old evidence being used against people. I am saying that there might be support to prohibit its use. Since I had been presuming even before you said it that you are not screaming just to scream, who better than you to draft some language about that topic. Given that another long-term editor is part of a case request this is highly timely even. Barkeep49 (talk) 06:18, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
- Scope is just one of a plethora of problems with ArbCom. I'm being mild in saying plethora, which is one of the reasons why I advocate for the abolition of ArbCom. Another is the impossibility of reform. RfA is probably an order of magnitude less of a problem than ArbCom is, and reform of RfA has moved at a glacial pace. I don't expect ArbCom to change, even if the most brilliant of draft were proposed. By saying the clearly defined scope is Allison's conduct, then you open the entire editing history up for consideration. 19 years worth of editing on the project. That's just absurd. It's also paralyzing. WP:ADMINCOND states that occasional mistakes are entirely compatible with adminship. But, that really isn't the case, is it. I've been an admin for 3.5 years. I've already made some mistakes. It happens. I'm human. But, I am guaranteed to eventually be brought before ArbCom and every edit I have ever done will come under consideration. Edits separated by 19 years might be considered a 'pattern'. This strongly encourages administrators to never do anything that might even slightly be considered wrong. We're left with only performing the most mundane of tasks, never mind untangling serious problems that need thoughtful consideration. It's impossible to be perfect. But, that's the expectation ArbCom places on administrators now. As soon as someone files a case, ArbCom has to accept it, and when ArbCom accepts an admin conduct case they always desysop. There's no filter, there's no gate, there's no standards. Any asshole can file a case and it's screw you, no thanks for your service, see your own keister out the door. I am not saying misconduct hasn't happened in these cases. I am saying that ArbCom has voided WP:ADMINCOND, as they have with other policies. It's utter crap. It shouldn't take somebody proposing a draft to ArbCom to fix the blatantly obvious. I am sick of seeing utter crap FoFs that arbitrators then try to sickeningly excuse by saying "Well, I didn't consider that FoF in voting to desysop!" even though they voted in favor of the FoF because well gosh, it's factual! I'm not screaming here just to scream. There are serious, long term, distinctly harmful problems with ArbCom. I'm not going to claim some silent majority agrees with me. But how many cases of administrators refusing to participate in their own funerals is it going to take before ArbCom wakes the hell up and realizes there are serious problems? I've already stated it in several places before, but I absolutely, categorically refuse to participate in any case brought to ArbCom regarding my conduct as an administrator. This places me in absolute violation of WP:ADMINCOND because I refuse to be accountable to ArbCom for such conduct. I will not comply. So, go ahead and file a case against me now, recuse yourself as filer, and get me desysopped. I will lay you odds I can get at least a dozen other administrators to agree with me, and likewise refuse to participate in any such cases. --Hammersoft (talk) 13:56, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
Book cover files in Carol Sklenicka
Hi Hammersoft. Would you mind taking a look at User talk:JayDivine#Book cover files in Carol Sklenicka when you have some time? -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:42, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
- I think you're doing fine. I agree the covers need to go. --Hammersoft (talk) 02:32, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you for looking at this, but I think it's going to end up at FFD. I don't seem to have done a good job explaining why "rudimentary personal correspondence" isn't really a reliable source for Misplaced Pages purposes. -- Marchjuly (talk) 03:53, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
- Explaining is one aspect, being heard is another. The two are separate. I think you did fine. --Hammersoft (talk) 22:05, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you for looking at this, but I think it's going to end up at FFD. I don't seem to have done a good job explaining why "rudimentary personal correspondence" isn't really a reliable source for Misplaced Pages purposes. -- Marchjuly (talk) 03:53, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
National Rally
Hi,
A few hours ago i edited the National Rally membership number which was removed by you. 45000 is the actual number from 2023 as you can read here:
https://www.valeursactuelles.com/politique/le-rassemblement-national-bat-son-record-dadhesions
So, why exactly did you remove the correct number ? 123yxcasd (talk) 20:19, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
- @123yxcasd: The reason is very simple; you didn't provide a source to support the change in numbers. Any such change to an article, most especially when there is a source supporting the prior number, is very likely to be undone when there is no source to support it. I've now put the number you put it to back in, this time with your above citation. You can see the change. Have a read through Misplaced Pages:Citing sources. If you have questions on how to do that in the future, let me know. Welcome to Misplaced Pages! Your contributions are very welcome! --Hammersoft (talk) 22:38, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
Administrators' newsletter – August 2023
News and updates for administrators from the past month (July 2023).
Administrator changes
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- The tag filter on Special:NewPages and revision history pages can now be inverted. This allows hiding edits made by automated tools. (T334338)
- Special:BlockedExternalDomains is a new tool that allows easier blocking of plain domains (and their subdomains). This is more easily searchable and is faster for the software to use than the existing MediaWiki:Spam-blacklist. It does not support regex (for complex cases), URL path-matching, or the MediaWiki:Spam-whitelist. (T337431)
Arbitration
- The arbitration cases named Scottywong and AlisonW closed 10 July and 16 July respectively.
- The SmallCat dispute arbitration case is in the workshop phase.
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File:Donald Trump mug shot.jpg
You appear to be using administrator tools in an editing dispute. You also appear to have broken the file history of File:Donald Trump mug shot.jpg (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs), as there are now file history entries that are missing completely but appear in the log for the file. Please fix your mistake and then desist from utilizing administrator tools further in this matter. —Locke Cole • t • c 07:39, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
- I am not at all using my tools in an editing dispute in which I am involved. I am enforcing WP:NFC#UUI #6 and WP:F5. If I've broken the history of the file, then perhaps you can tell me how it is broken? Unused versions of non-free files should be deleted, per WP:F5. --Hammersoft (talk) 08:15, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
- Hi Hammersoft. I recently had almost the same issue at Trump's mugshot image page, which I went through on its talk page. I think you should be clicking the tick box and using 'change visibility', instead of using the link which says 'delete'. I don't know why there's two dissimilar actions so close together. To give some other examples, the file history of File:Standoff 2 Logo (0.23.0).jpeg#filehistory makes it look like DatBot uploaded the image, while the file history of File:Sonic Frontiers gameplay screenshot.png#filehistory doesn't make any sense at all. -- zzuuzz 08:18, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
- You're right, it doesn't make sense at all. Also feels like arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. Regardless, I've undeleted the versions and changed their visibility. --Hammersoft (talk) 08:22, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
I am enforcing WP:NFC#UUI #6 and WP:F5
Your interpretation of UUI appears to have some disagreement if the talk page discussions are any indicator. It's also not clear from your statements that they are administrative actions, but even if so, given the disagreement, you should stop. As to F5, can you tell me when F5 says a file may be deleted immediately and under what conditions? —Locke Cole • t • c 08:26, 28 August 2023 (UTC)- I can't, but I've undone those actions and changed the visibility. If you disagree with this, you might also consider I'm not the only administrator who did this, as two other administrators took the same action. If you think my application of UUI #6 is incorrect, you're welcome to discuss the issue at WT:NFC, which would be a better place than individual articles where I've applied it. --Hammersoft (talk) 08:31, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
If you disagree with this, you might also consider I'm not the only administrator who did this
So it's two wrongs make a right? Thank you for fixing the issue. Circling back to the claim of administrative enforcement, if you're acting under your position of administrator, why would you needmore eyes
as you asked for here? Surely if your actions are justified you would simply protect pages or block editors acting against what you're enforcing: "more eyes" won't change anything, right? Between your comments at WT:NFC (which if you're soliciting administrator help, why not post at WP:AN?) and the fact that you keep directing anyone who disagrees to start a discussion there, it feels like a combination of canvassing and pushing for a home field advantage at a venue you know (or feel confident) you'll gain support. —Locke Cole • t • c 23:56, 28 August 2023 (UTC)- If you continue to make thinly veiled assertions of my evil wrongdoings, ignoring WP:AGF, this conversation is over. I've explained my actions. It's obvious you disagree with them. I know my actions are for the betterment of the project and were done with the best of intents. I realize that's not going to convince you. If you want my head on a platter, the silver platter is that way. I will continue to enforce WP:NFC and WP:NFCC as I have done for more than a decade. --Hammersoft (talk) 00:31, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
- I can't, but I've undone those actions and changed the visibility. If you disagree with this, you might also consider I'm not the only administrator who did this, as two other administrators took the same action. If you think my application of UUI #6 is incorrect, you're welcome to discuss the issue at WT:NFC, which would be a better place than individual articles where I've applied it. --Hammersoft (talk) 08:31, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
- Hi Hammersoft. I recently had almost the same issue at Trump's mugshot image page, which I went through on its talk page. I think you should be clicking the tick box and using 'change visibility', instead of using the link which says 'delete'. I don't know why there's two dissimilar actions so close together. To give some other examples, the file history of File:Standoff 2 Logo (0.23.0).jpeg#filehistory makes it look like DatBot uploaded the image, while the file history of File:Sonic Frontiers gameplay screenshot.png#filehistory doesn't make any sense at all. -- zzuuzz 08:18, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
Administrators' newsletter – September 2023
News and updates for administrators from the past month (August 2023).
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Guideline and policy news
- Following an RfC, TFAs will be automatically semi-protected the day before it is on the main page and through the day after.
- A discussion at WP:VPP about revision deletion and oversight for dead names found that
ysops can choose to use revdel if, in their view, it's the right tool for this situation, and they need not default to oversight. But oversight could well be right where there's a particularly high risk to the person. Use your judgment
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Technical news
- Special:Contributions now shows the user's local edit count and the account's creation date. (T324166)
Arbitration
- The SmallCat dispute case has closed. As part of the final decision, editors participating in XfD have been reminded to be careful about forming
local consensus which may or may not reflect the broader community consensus
. Regular closers of XfD forums were also encouraged tonote when broader community discussion, or changes to policies and guidelines, would be helpful
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Miscellaneous
- Tech tip: The "Browse history interactively" banner shown at the top of Special:Diff can be used to easily look through a history, assemble composite diffs, or find out what archive something wound up in.
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September music
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Our festival's last concert was most moving and inspiring, - also the story of Walter Arlen, - today I'm proud that I survived the decision in WP:ARBINFOBOX for 10 years, standing and singing -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:30, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
Today's story is about a great pianist with an unusual career, taking off when he was 50. It's the wedding anniversary of Clara and Robert Schumann, but I was too late with our gift. Just for fun: when do you think did Mrs. and Mr. Schumann got their infoboxes, and by whom? (The answer can be found here, but please think first.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:52, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
Today I remember Raymond Arritt, who still helps me, five years after he died, per what he said in my darkest time on Misplaced Pages (placed in my edit-notice as a reminder), and by teh rulez. - Latest pics from a weekend in Berlin (one more day to come). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:46, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
My story today is The Company of Heaven ("company" with a double meaning, but angelic company in the end). - Pictures of the one more day yes, but no others yet, it's a week with concert or opera every night! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:24, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
Regency Radio
Can you explain why you deleted the draft page of a OFCOM licenced, public broadcaster and radio station? 185.222.21.216 (talk) 21:50, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
- Sure. It was deleted under WP:CSD#G11, as a blatantly promotional piece intended to advertise. Misplaced Pages is not an advertising platform. Further, we speak in neutral, encyclopedic tone here, not in gushingly positive advertising speak as was present on the draft. --Hammersoft (talk) 21:52, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
Administrators' newsletter – September 2023
News and updates for administrators from the past month (September 2023).
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Guideline and policy news
- An RfC is open regarding amending the paid-contribution disclosure policy to add the following text:
Any administrator soliciting clients for paid Misplaced Pages-related consulting or advising services not covered by other paid-contribution rules must disclose all clients on their userpage.
Technical news
- Administrators can now choose to add the user's user page to their watchlist when changing the usergroups for a user. This works both via Special:UserRights and via the API. (T272294)
Arbitration
Miscellaneous
- The 2023 CheckUser and Oversight appointments process has concluded with the appointment of one new CheckUser.
- Self-nominations for the electoral commission for the 2023 Arbitration Committee elections opens on 2 October and closes on 8 October.
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H.I. Sutton as a source
Hello Hammersoft,
I think the edit summary of my revert on Hai Kun-class submarine did not save (at least I can't see it myself), so I thought it considerate to notify you of the reason here.
As per WP:SPS, "self-published expert sources may be considered reliable when produced by an established subject-matter expert, whose work in the relevant field has previously been published by reliable, independent publications". H. I. Sutton has published for the Royal United Services Institute, the U.S. Naval Institute, Forbes, and is described as "one of the world’s leading experts on underwater warfare and submarine technology" by The Diplomat. His analysis is credible and seems fair to include in the article.
Regards,
Sarrotrkux Sarrotrkux (talk) 10:06, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks. You'll understand my concern when the website itself does not make it apparent what his credentials are. Further, even if he is an expert it is unclear how he arrives at the conclusion the submarine is reverse engineered. Even if a source is reliable, some backing of conclusions is important. --Hammersoft (talk) 11:02, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
- No problem, I suppose he doesn't really want to "brag" on his website, so it's not immediately obvious to new visitors that he has a long and established track record. I think a good compromise was reached on the pertaining article in its current form. :)
- Sarrotrkux (talk) 21:44, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
October thanks
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Thank you for your good advice for a candidate for adminship. Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:38, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
A Romanian woman composer is today's topic. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:10, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
I thought of Brian Bouldton today, and his ways to compromise. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:50, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
November Articles for creation backlog drive
Hello Hammersoft:
WikiProject Articles for creation is holding a month long Backlog Drive!
The goal of this drive is to reduce the backlog of unreviewed drafts to less than 2 months outstanding reviews from the current 4+ months. Bonus points will be given for reviewing drafts that have been waiting more than 30 days. The drive is running from 1 November 2023 through 30 November 2023.
You may find Category:AfC pending submissions by age or other categories and sorting helpful.
Barnstars will be given out as awards at the end of the drive.
November music
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Hevenu shalom aleichem is my story today. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:38, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
I proudly remember having sung in an oratorio premiere seven years ago OTD. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:39, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
More, if you like: today I have three items on the Main page, almost too much of a good thing! Bach's amazing cantata with the unusual scale, first performed 300 years ago OTD, the nun for the prostitutes, and Schumann's wedding gift for Clara. Also first day of vacation pics uploaded. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:22, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
Today is St. Martin's Day, which stands for sharing. Sharing one more day of vacation ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:08, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
Same story today, a DYK hook from 13 years ago OTD: about the great music at one of my churches. Mozart's Requiem to come on Sunday, coupled with Arvo Pärt's Da pacem Domine, - I guess you might come if it was a bit closer. Perhaps watch the video of our last production, our first on yt, ever. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:40, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
Administrators' newsletter – November 2023
News and updates for administrators from the past month (October 2023).
Administrator changes
Interface administrator changes
Guideline and policy news
Technical news
- The WMF is working on making it possible for administrators to edit MediaWiki configuration directly. This is similar to previous work on Special:EditGrowthConfig. A technical RfC is running until November 08, where you can provide feedback.
- There is a proposed plan for re-enabling the Graph Extension. Feedback on this proposal is requested.
Arbitration
- Eligible editors are invited to self-nominate themselves from 12 November 2023 until 21 November 2023 to stand in the 2023 Arbitration Committee elections.
- Xaosflux, RoySmith and Cyberpower678 have been appointed to the Electoral Commission for the 2023 Arbitration Committee Elections. BusterD is the reserve commissioner.
- Following a motion, the contentious topic designation of Prem Rawat has been struck. Actions previously taken using this contentious topic designation are still in force.
- Following several motions, multiple topic areas are no longer designated as a contentious topic. These contentious topic designations were from the Editor conduct in e-cigs articles, Liancourt Rocks, Longevity, Medicine, September 11 conspiracy theories, and Shakespeare authorship question cases.
- Following a motion, remedies 3.1 (All related articles under 1RR whenever the dispute over naming is concerned), 6 (Stalemate resolution) and 30 (Administrative supervision) of the Macedonia 2 case have been rescinded.
- Following a motion, remedy 6 (One-revert rule) of the The Troubles case has been amended.
- An arbitration case named Industrial agriculture has been opened. Evidence submissions in this case close 8 November.
Miscellaneous
- The Articles for Creation backlog drive is happening in November 2023, with 700+ drafts pending reviews for in the last 4 months or so. In addition to the AfC participants, all administrators and New Page Patrollers can conduct reviews using the helper script, Yet Another AFC Helper Script, which can be enabled in the Gadgets settings. Sign up here to participate!
Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 17:23, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
ArbCom 2023 Elections voter message
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December music
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Today's story is about parts of my life. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:22, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
Today, to Paris (29 Nov) with a visit to the Palais Garnier, - to match the story of Medea Amiranashvili, - don't miss listening to her expressive voice. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:02, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
My story today is about Michael Robinson, - it's an honour to have known him. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:05, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
Today, I have a special story to tell, of the works of a musician born 300 years ago. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:25, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
Administrators' newsletter – December 2023
News and updates for administrators from the past month (November 2023).
Administrator changes
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CheckUser changes
[REDACTED] Oversight changes
Guideline and policy news
- Following a talk page discussion, the Administrators' accountability policy has been updated to note that while it is considered best practice for administrators to have notifications (pings) enabled, this is not mandatory. Administrators who do not use notifications are now strongly encouraged to indicate this on their user page.
Arbitration
- Following a motion, the Extended Confirmed Restriction has been amended, removing the allowance for non-extended-confirmed editors to post constructive comments on the "Talk:" namespace. Now, non-extended-confirmed editors may use the "Talk:" namespace solely to make edit requests related to articles within the topic area, provided that their actions are not disruptive.
- The Arbitration Committee has announced a call for Checkusers and Oversighters, stating that it will currently be accepting applications for CheckUser and/or Oversight permissions at any point in the year.
- Eligible users are invited to vote on candidates for the Arbitration Committee until 23:59 December 11, 2023 (UTC). Candidate statements can be seen here.
Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 15:54, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
How I voted in the ArbCom 2023 elections
I believe ArbCom should be abolished, barring massive reform that ArbCom has so far largely refused to engage upon. Some key things that must be fixed:
- ArbCom has refused to change their naming scheme for cases, resulting in heavy anchoring bias that I have previously documented.
- ArbCom members frequently make it clear where their decisions are going to be before the case even opens. This is wrong, and should NEVER be permitted.
- ArbCom is the the place to handle administrator conduct cases. However, their belief they must hear all cases regarding such conduct is absolutely wrong. There's a point at which the community (not a couple of editors, but the community) should be asking for assistance and then ArbCom considers accepting. The bar at which ArbCom accepts admin conduct cases is exceptionally low.
- When ArbCom does accept a case regarding administrator conduct, the outcome is heavily determined before the case even begins. There's no real point to administrators participating in such cases as they are foregone conclusions.
- ArbCom has shown their willingness to use edits to the case made by a named person against that person. This creates the situation where ArbCom insists people participate, and then hangs them for participating. This is disgustingly wrong.
I won't go so far as to say this is only the tip of the iceberg. But, it certainly isn't the majority of the serious problems plaguing ArbCom as a body. I have said before that if ArbCom were a regular user on this project, they would have been banned from it years ago as a decidedly negative, abusive editor.
To wit; since none of the candidates for ArbCom have stated any particular willingness to engage in significant reforms in their candidate statements or answers to questions (never mind the ones highlighted above), I see no reason to place faith in the abilities of any of these candidates to enact any meaningful reform. As a result, the horribly abusive ArbCom as currently constructed will continue. Therefore, I have voted opposed to all candidates. --Hammersoft (talk) 03:17, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
Happy Adminship Anniversary!
| Happy adminship anniversary! Hi Hammersoft! On behalf of the Birthday Committee, I'd like to wish you a very happy anniversary of your successful request for adminship. Enjoy this special day! The Herald (Benison) (talk) 08:30, 15 December 2023 (UTC) |  |
- Thank you :) --Hammersoft (talk) 13:14, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
Benji Krol draft appeal
hello, I hope this message finds you well. I recently made edits on the draft Draft:Benji Krol, and added 21 News Articles including the author's names. could you please review it and tell me what it needs to be fixed or if now it meets Notability criteria, I cannot send it for review again, as I've noticed that this draft has gotten into it's bottom line of sending for review. Meio2934 (talk) 20:44, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
- Respectfully, no. I've already invested considerable time in this draft previously reviewing a lot of references, and facing up against an editor who absolutely insisted on pushing this to review over and over and over and over and over and over again. I'm not inclined to spend that kind of time yet again. --Hammersoft (talk) 21:47, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
- that's ok then thank you for responding. whenever you feel comfortable again giving it a look, just so you know I really changed all the links and news articles are now added. I'm not going to insist in it as well :) I understand your point thank you for your time. Meio2934 (talk) 21:50, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
Possible Vandalism report
A user called Binksternet has been making unauthorized changes to many pages and templates. Could you do something about this? 2601:C7:C202:1550:E4D1:F977:D610:A60F (talk) 00:07, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
(courtesy @Binksternet:)
- 2601<etc>; First, please understand no one has to be "authorized" to make changes to Misplaced Pages. There's no such thing. Misplaced Pages is the encyclopedia anyone can edit. Second, if you dispute what Binksternet has done, you should be attempting to discuss the issue with them at their talk page, not mine. That's part of the earliest steps of Misplaced Pages:Dispute resolution. Third, please look at your own talk page where Binksternet attempted to talk to you. You've ignored that, but instead chose to try to get me to do something about it. I suggest you engage in discussion with Binksternet. --Hammersoft (talk) 12:28, 29 December 2023 (UTC)