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Meaning of "island"

If Tarshish is described as an "island", this does not necessarily mean an island out to sea. It may have been a riverine island in ancient times. Alternatively, it may have been land mostly surrounded by rivers, as is the case for the plateau of Avallon in Burgundy. Zoetropo (talk)

Recent edits

There besides the personal attacks in the edit summaries, have both made a mess of the article (duplicate references, a reflist within the body of the article, etc) and re-added material that doesn't belong in the article.

We now have a situation where " described Tarshish as “the city known in earlier rimes as Carthage and today called Tunis." is sourced not to the actual source, the State University of New York book, but to Thompson, C.M. 2003: 'Sealed silver in Cisjordan and the ‘invention’ of coinage,' Oxford Journal of Archaeology 22.1, 67–107, who I doubt has that quote from Isaac Abravanel in her article.

The wikilink to Frank Moore Cross's article that I added was removed.

And the following that was added this morning and that I removed was replaced: ". In 2003, Christine Marie Thompson identified the Cisjordan Corpus, a concentration of hacksilber hoards in Israel and the Palestinian Territories (Cisjordan). This Corpus dates between 1200 and 586 B.C., and the hoards in it are all silver-dominant. The largest hoard was found at Eshtemoa and contained 26kg of silver. Within it, and specifically in the geographical region that was part of Phoenicia, is a concentration of hoards dated between 1200 and 800 B.C. This concentration is unique in the contemporary Mediterranean, and its date-range overlaps with the reigns of King Solomon (990 - 931 B.C.) and Hiram of Tyre (980 - 947 B.C.). Hacksilber objects in these Phoenician hoards have lead isotope ratios that match ores in Sardinia and Spain. Contrary to translations that have been rendering Assyrian tar-si-si as 'Tarsus' up to the present time, Christine Thompson has shown that the Assyrian tablets inscribed in Akkadian indicate tar-si-si (Tarshish) was an island, and the poetic construction of Psalm 72 also points to its identity as a large island in the West. The island of Sardinia is indicated. The same evidence from hacksilber fits with what the ancient Greek and Roman authors recorded about the Phoenicians exploiting many sources of silver in the western Mediterranean to feed developing economies back in Israel and Phoenicia soon after the fall of Troy and other palace-centers in the eastern Mediterranean around 1200 B.C. Classical sources including Homer (8th century B.C.), and the Greek historians Herodotus (484-425 B.C.) and Diodorus Siculus (d. 30 B.C.) said the Phoenicians were exploiting the metals of the west for these purposes before they set up the permanent colonies in the metal-rich regions of the Mediterranean and Atlantic."

Most of that is completely irrelevant, I'd already added the relevant bit from Thompson & Skaggs about Tarshish, and the authors certainly do not suggest that there was a "fall of Troy" nor do Thompson & Skaggs say anything about "to feed developing economies back in Israel and Phoenicia" - they don't even talk about Israel. What the source does say about Tory is: "lassical texts that mention the beginnings of Phoenician westward expansion tend to place it chronologically just after the destruction of the palaces (represented in the Greek tradition by the fall of Troy), and spatially with enduring toponyms like Sardinia and Cádiz (Diodorus Siculus Bibliotheca Historica V.35.5, Velleius Paterculus I.2, 1-3, and Strabo III.2, 9-14)." I can't see how this becomes "fits with what the ancient Greek and Roman authors recorded about the Phoenicians exploiting many sources of silver in the western Mediterranean to feed developing economies back in Israel and Phoenicia soon after the fall of Troy". Doug Weller talk 16:19, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

Note that it was different new account who recently added the bit about Troy. Doug Weller talk 16:41, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

Deleted "However, Solomon's Temple was destroyed by the Babylonians, making archaeological evidence difficult to uncover." for being nonsensical on several counts: 1) Building destruction would actually enable, not inhibit, the preservation of archaeological material; 2) the larger issue with excavating the area of the temple is that it was located, well, on the Temple Mount, where the Dome of the Rock and al-Aqsa currently stand; 3) the attribution of such wealth to Solomon is doubtlessly apocryphal and reflects, at best, exaggerated historical conditions of the eighth century BCE, if not later, so questions of extant archaeological evidence are irrelevant. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.120.126.43 (talk) 18:25, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

Is there a content problem with this article?

Over the past six weeks, @Kalindu2001 has made a series of edits, initially in small steps and then as a series of large-scale edits, which replaced substantial parts of the article with unsourced text, text from the bible, external links to commercial sites, and other content that looks unencyclopedic. Eventually they received a 24 hour block for edit warring, but came back later to re-add the same or similar text. The article is now back at the status quo ante.

I lack the expertise in this article to say whether these changes reflect a good faith difference of opinion as to the reliability of the article content, or some other agenda or motive. But what is clear is that the pattern of editing is not constructive. For a content dispute, editors are expected to discuss at the talk page, and I am opening this thread.

@Kalindu2001 can you explain here, at this talk page, what you think is wrong with the article as it currently stands and what you think is needed to fix it? Oblivy (talk) 02:40, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Kalindu2001's revision was poorly written and badly executed with unsourced original research, misformatted refs, a reprint of a news article (!), raw url reflinks, and, as you say, text from the Bible and external links to commercial websites, such as srilankabusiness.com. Extremely unencyclopedic. Carlstak (talk) 19:43, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

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