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Requested move 27 December 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: no consensus Some arguments are not based on policy/guidelines, but they are logical. Yet, there is no clear consensus for, or against move. There have been suggestions to wait as well. No prejudice against a new discussion after a few months. —usernamekiran (talk) 16:37, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

Western Syria clashes (December 2024–present) → Ba'athist insurgency in Syria (December 2024–present) — 178.81.55.110 (talk) 10:29, 27 December 2024 (UTC)— Relisting. —usernamekiran (talk) 04:01, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

The date is redundant, but it would definitely be an improvement The Great Mule of Eupatoria (talk) 05:41, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

Support changing the page title to "Ba'athist insurgency in Western Syria (December 2024-present)", which is more precise. Shadowwarrior8 (talk) 08:52, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

Support changing the page title to Assad loyalist insurgency in Syria (December 2024–present) per RS. Most sources describe the insurgents as "Assad loyalists" rather than "Ba'athists". Skitash (talk) 16:52, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

it's a little wordy, "Neo-Ba'athist Insurgency in Syria (December 2024-present)" would be more concise. Castroonthemoon (talk) 07:06, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

OpposeThe clashes had just started and you’re calling it a full blown insurgency? You must include sources that call it such 78.182.139.241 (talk) 19:54, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

Support the nomination Waleed (talk) 03:18, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Support--Hoben7599 (talk) 12:31, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Comment Is a disambiguator even necessary? Why not just Ba'athist insurgency in Syria? Charles Essie (talk) 14:49, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Wait until it became clear whether this will escalate into a real insurgency, or will remain limited to a kind of mop up operation against the remnants of the former regime. If it does escalate, I will support moving to Ba'athist insurgency in Syria. — Sundostund mppria 17:54, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Oppose the proposed title, since it is imprecise and inaccurate. The unrest is limited to parts of Alawite-dominated Western Syrian regions, which were once strongholds of Assad loyalists.

Also, as Skitash pointed out earlier, news reports and sources are describing it as "Assad loyalist" or "Assadist" attacks and riots.

Moreover, the Syrian Ba'ath party itself is inactive following the fall of the Assad regime. Additionally, several news reports have stated that the neo-ba'athist organizations are structurally collapsing across Syria.

• "Now Syria’s long-ruling Baath party is collapsing, too"

• "Syria's long-ruling Baath party faces collapse"

Therefore, these attacks are more related to those neo-Ba'athist armed factions which went rogue after the fall of Assad regime.

Hence, the page title should be moved to "Assadist insurgency in Western Syria (December 2024-present)" or "Assad loyalist insurgency in Western Syria (December 2024-present)", which is precise. Shadowwarrior8 (talk) 03:07, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Military history/Post-Cold War task force, WikiProject Syria, and WikiProject Military history have been notified of this discussion. —usernamekiran (talk) 04:01, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Could we change the name as "Weatern Syria Insurgeny" ? Sr. Blud (talk) 16:07, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Strong Support There was videos from ex assadist soldiers saying they wont give up and its just a more fitting and descriptive title tbh. Yesyesmrcool (talk) 23:34, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Wait to see if it does escalate into a full-blown insurgency. Per Sundostund. Psychloppos (talk) 10:51, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Wait, but oppose titles with "Assad loyalist insurgency" or "Assadist insurgency": per @Sundostund. If the Syrian Popular Resistance launches a full-on Ba'athist insurgency that goes beyond mere loyalist clashes, then I would support a version of the proposed title that lacks parenthetical disambiguation. –Gluonz 23:36, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Support, as the incidents/clashes are not contained to Western Syria.

This is the only[REDACTED] page about loyalist clashes and the title, as it is, doesn't accurately reflect the scope of these incidents.

https://www.syriahr.com/en/353240/ RealPopche (talk) 13:58, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Oppose sources does not indicate as commonname. Shadow4dark (talk) 07:16, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

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