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Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2025!

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Season's Greetings

		Season's Greetings
		When he took up his hat to go, he gave one long look round the library. Then he turned ... (and Saxon took advantage of this to wag his way in and join the party), and said, "It's a rare privilege, the free entry of a book chamber like this. I'm hoping ... that you are not insensible of it." (Text on page 17 illustrated in the frontispiece in Juliana Horatia Ewing's Mary's Meadow and Other Tales of Fields and Flowers, illustrated by Mary Wheelhouse, London: G. Bell and Sons, 1915.) Fowler&fowler«Talk» 04:28, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, Fowler&fowler, and the same to you and yours. A nice choice of image, a reminder of why we do what we do is always a good thing. Vanamonde93 (talk) 17:10, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, in turn, for that discerning reply. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 18:03, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Sambhaji Bhide

Hello! Regarding your recent reversion of my edits, could you help in the following:

• 2018 report: Which? The one cited? Then somebody may confirm and say 'A 2018 Mumbai Mirror report'.
  
• He has a controversial history with political leaders: Saying somebody was/is controversial with political leaders is not only weasel and in particular, but quite stylish, isn't it? Although irrelevant, also see WP:CSEC.

I am writing this here and not the article's talk page because I think the tags I added are not that confusing, and specific to address your view. Thanks, ExclusiveEditor _{🔔 Ping Me!} 18:53, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

If I am wrong about this, kindly let me know, so I may put this on the article's talk page rather. Regards, ExclusiveEditor _{🔔 Ping Me!} 19:00, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi Exclusive editor. It was very unclear what your tags were referring to, which is why I removed them. In the first case, yes, clearly it is the Mumbai Mirror report; you could name it, if you like, but there is no ambiguity as to which report is being discussed. As to the second, I've reviewed the source and in my opinion it has no substantive information, so I've removed it entirely. If more details are available elsewhere (perhaps in the article cited in the source I removed?) they may be worth adding. Your tag didn't really address this either, however. It is generally good practice to review a source before tagging a sentence, and in cases such as this one something like {{template:clarify}} will let you explain your concern better. Vanamonde93 (talk) 19:04, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. I was about to ask you if I could add a clarification template for the second sentence, regarding which particular politicians he is 'controversial' and that 'being controversial with' is more like a weasel phrase. However it seems you have removed it after checking the source. Regards --ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 19:24, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

SPI Case close and suspicious users casting aspersions

Hi Vanamonde93. There have been many suspicious IP socks who have attacked me or have made suggestions about me that aren't true because they don't like my content position. They hop IPs and post them over and over on admin talk pages. I'm not Symphony Regalia and I don't have a relation to that user. I don't think it's fair for case to be left open like a fishing expedition when both forms of evidence don't match.

It should be clear by the checks that I'm a different person, and even with three super long posts from suspicious users the evidence is still weak because it isn't true so it feels like a bias to leave it open. Now other editors will interpret it as a call to canvass their friends and "throw stuff at the wall to see what sticks" which isn't fair to me or the other targets. EEpic (talk) 20:20, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

@Ethiopian Epic: Leaving that SPI open doesn't directly affect you. If I closed it, another user could add a new report just as easily as they could post more evidence. If these editors choose to post off-topic evidence, they are not immune from investigation and sanction themselves. Vanamonde93 (talk) 20:27, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

It makes me feel unwelcome it's like aiming a weapon at me for an undetermined amount of time even though an investigation was already conducted. Previous admins have also investigated this 2 or 3 times and they all found there was no merit. One of the people doing it is sock of one of the involved editors abusing proxies to spread lies and tie editors together who have a content view he doesn't like.

https://www.ipqualityscore.com/free-ip-lookup-proxy-vpn-test/lookup/14.192.214.186

Leaving it open even after the investigation will encourage opposing people to come nitpick every little thing they can possibly find which is easy to do among users who have the same content position. If they have to open a new case they will be more inclined to bring evidence with merit. I don't think it's fair treatment. I'm not Symphony and I shouldn't have to go through all of these aspersions from someone using IP socks. EEpic (talk) 00:09, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

It has not been "left open after the investigation", I have asked for more information, which I routinely do at SPI (I did that twice today, as it happens). Please let this matter drop: if there is no evidence against you, no action will be taken, and if there is evidence, closing this report will not prevent it from being analyzed in the future. Empirically, "If they have to open a new case they will be more inclined to bring evidence with merit" is simply not true. Vanamonde93 (talk) 02:25, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

I see, thanks I appreciate the input. EEpic (talk) 04:11, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

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Enforcement on PerspicazHistorian

Hi @Vanamonde93! I have added references to Appa (title), please check it. I always try to find better sources for articles authored by me. I keep learning from experienced editors like you. Thanks a lot !

P.S- _{I respect your views in the Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement discussion. Please tell me what do I need to convince all the respected admins and clear all your doubts. Also please check the sock attack request I made in my comment in the discussion.} PerspicazHistorian (talk) 18:20, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi PerspicazHistorian. I will discuss the sources you provide on the talk page, as is appropriate, but I want to give you some general advice. You cannot write a Misplaced Pages article by writing a sentence you personally believe to be true, and then typing that sentence into google to look for sources. Not only will you find spurious sources, you will also miss all the sources that don't share that POV. If you want to write an article about "Appa" as a title, you need to find sources that discuss "Appa" as a title. If you don't have such sources, you cannot write that article. This is true everywhere on Misplaced Pages, but when we are working on complex and contentious topics like caste or linguistics, you need particularly high quality sources, and they need to very explicitly support content that you are adding. Best, Vanamonde93 (talk) 18:36, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

I do not page troll, just happened upon this conversation. I am a former faculty member at a research university, and retired registerd editor here. And to your reply to @User:PerspicazHistorian, I simply say, "amen", let it be so. With regard, 98.226.86.66 (talk) 20:35, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

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	Hi Vanamonde93, Best wishes that the new year brings peace, good health and happiness. Thank you for what you do for the encyclopedia and this community. Image: New Year's Eve Foxfires at the Changing Tree, Oji, Utagawa Hiroshige, woodcut, 1857 Netherzone (talk) 15:27, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, Netherzone, and the same to you and yours! Vanamonde93 (talk) 17:58, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

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AfD closure

Hi. In your closure of WP:Articles for deletion/Thailand at the Big Four beauty pageants, you probably missed that there's another article bundled in the nomination. Bangladesh at major beauty pageants still has an AfD tag; you might want to undo the close or remove the tag and advise the nominator to start a new discussion. --Paul_012 (talk) 11:57, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

I did miss that, probably because the bundling wasn't formatted right. Thanks. I do think it's best to start a new nomination, though, given that the first page has been deleted and the discussion has seen no substantive participation on the merits. Vanamonde93 (talk) 16:12, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

AfD Closure

For the record, while it doesn't make any difference to the AfD the sources were not "theoretical".. The reason I provided "no evidence of such" was that I am not giving up family time over the holidays to drive through literal floods to hook materials out of storage because someone's gaming the AfD process. And now thanks to your prompt action there's no need to do so anyway. Have a good new year. BoomboxTestarossa (talk) 09:50, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

I said "hypothetical", and with respect to evidence presented at AfD, that's exactly what they were. If you had provided evidence of print sources, the AfD would have gone differently. The closing admin cannot accept your assertion that sources exist without evidence. If you want to find sources at your leisure, the article history hasn't been deleted; you could recreate the article with evidence of notability. Vanamonde93 (talk) 16:56, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Why on earth would I or anyone else bother doing any further research for the topic when the AfD system is flawed, cliquey and can be gamed so easily? Which is a shame for me personally as I used to really enjoy putting this stuff together until it became clear just how little constructive, collaborative editing is valued. No point when people can just declare sources unreliable, or not read the sources already cited and just judge them on the title, or just slap words into Google and claim that's Before.

As a BTW, whoever 'merged' the article mucked up the infobox placement. BoomboxTestarossa (talk) 10:07, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

...why am I doing this? Good grief, I need to learn this sort of thing is pointless. BoomboxTestarossa (talk) 10:08, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

If you have decided beforehand that the system is not worth participating in, then I agree you shouldn't participate in it. Vanamonde93 (talk) 16:20, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

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Hi Vanamonde,

You might have seen in the talk page of Group-IB that I declared my conflict of interest as someone associated with the company. I'll also openly state I'm a Wiki rookie - how does page protection work? There are some edits I would like to see on the page and I'm more than happy to make those edit requests, provide suggestions and justify them with reputable evidence and source material. Would that still be possible? Happy to work with the wider community on this. Thanks! JacobP2710 (talk) 01:39, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi JacobP2710, page protection - in this case, extended-confirmed protection - means that only editors who have extended confirmed rights can edit the page. Anyone can make edit requests on the talk page, which, as an employee of the company, you are strongly encouraged to do anyway, per WP:PAID - so protection should not directly affect you. Best, Vanamonde93 (talk) 03:21, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

Got it, appreciate the explanation and candour. Thanks! Will be making edit requests in the talk page in due course. JacobP2710 (talk) 01:18, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

Closure

Hi! You recently closed a page for Digital Guardian. I was hoping to revert the page back to it's version prior to the latest approved edit (which re-wrote the entire page). Could you please help me in restoring the page to that previous version? KSC35 (talk) 09:15, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

@KSC35: There was consensus at AfD that the topic wasn't notable at this time: that wasn't dependent on the version. There have also been concerns with promotional editing right through its history. As such I'm not comfortable undeleting this page unless someone can show me coverage in reliable sources that wasn't discussed at AfD, and ideally commits to taking any new draft through the articles for creation process. Best, Vanamonde93 (talk) 16:26, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for clarifying. Yes, I will commit to taking a new draft through the articles for creation process if the previous version is restored & ensure all sourced are credited from reliable sourced. KSC35 (talk) 10:24, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

@Vanamonde93 see above, thank you. KSC35 (talk) 10:24, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

That's not quite what I asked: do you have sources to support notability that weren't discussed at AfD? Vanamonde93 (talk) 16:55, 22 January 2025 (UTC)