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Ms. Kelly

The album was originally titled Kelly Rowland: My Story and was recently renamed to Ms. Kelly. I posted an audio source for this information on the article a few days ago ... - Noboyo - November 18, 2006

Fast Food

I finally found out you were the one who removed what I added in "Fast Foods". You called it vandelism, along with other innocent edits. I looked at your contributions and you do this to numerous articles. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.140.73.96 (talk • contribs).

Source for Tequesta

I noticed that you were the primary author of most of the article on the Tequesta, and I have a question on a statement in the final paragraph, which is not referenced. You mention Bernard Romans noting that he only saw abandoned Tequesta villages in the 1770s. Do you know where you found that? I'm working on totally rewriting and expanding the history section for Fort Lauderdale, and I'd like to include that, but I need to know which reference to find for the cite. (It's not in either of the online sources, so I'll need to go dig through a book or two.) Thanks. Horologium t-c 21:57, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

I think that would be either:

• Bullen, Adelaide K. (1965). "Florida Indians of Past and Present". In Ruby L. Carson & Charlton Tebeau (Eds.), Florida from Indian trail to space age: a history (Vol. I, pp. 317-350). Southern Publishing Company, or
• Sturtevant, William C. (1978). "The Last of the South Florida Aborigines". In Jeral Milanich & Samuel Proctor (Eds.). Tachagale: Essays on the Indians of Florida and Southeastern Georgia during the Historic Period. Gainesville, Florida: The University Presses of Florida. ISBN 0-8130-0535-3.

I would have to access the books to be sure, and our city library is closed this week. Maybe I'll get a chance next week to check on it. This kind of thing is why I now footnote almost every paragraph with page citations. I wish I had started doing that earlier.

OK, I'll leave it out for now. I was hoping (but not expecting) you might remember which book was the one. I'll check with the library here in G'ville and see if they've got them. The second one is from the University, which is a good sign. Two refs to search is a lot better than eight or nine... (grin) Horologium t-c 22:42, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

your tag on Samuel Eliot Morison‎ page

{{refimprovesect|date=July 2007}} Please suggest what additional reference you are requesting to Morison page. Thank you. Skywriter 13:33, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

That section has no proper citations. An ISBN tag and an author's last name and page number (for separate statements), with no further information, is no help to anyone trying to verify the information. I presume the sources exist, they just need to be cited properly. -- Donald Albury 13:40, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

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you put this on my page "Violation of BLP, Welcome to Misplaced Pages, and thank you for your contributions, including your edits to Talk:Burt Reynolds. As a member of the Misplaced Pages community, please be aware of Misplaced Pages's policy that biographical information of living persons must not be libelous. Any controversial statements about a living person added to an article must include proper sources. Thank you. -- Donald Albury 11:19, 7 July 2007 (UTC)"

• Tell me what i put on his page that was libelous, because if you were frefering to this "The bottom line is, It is obvious Burt is one of the biggest liars in Hollywood. He made some great movies, but has told so many lies about so many things. He'll probably say next, that he was born on Mars although he is of half-Jupiterarian descent, he dated Princess Leah, and was drafted Venus Vegetarians." The is an opinion stated in the talk section, so it isn't libelous, and citation have already been made, if he tells some he was born in one place and others that he was born somewhere else, it does in fact make one of those a lie, when he says he was drafted by the baltimore colts, and yet through every draft record in history it says he wasn't , it is also a lie. and if you check on here there are citations proving he was never drafted.Rogue Gremlin 20:59, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Biographies of living persons states in the second paragraph:

"Unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material—whether negative, positive, or just highly questionable—about living persons should be removed immediately and without discussion from Misplaced Pages articles, talk pages, user pages, and project space."

I think that is very clear. Your comments were unsourced, and were very negative. -- Donald Albury 21:33, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

• Were the comments, negative "yes", were the unsourced, "no" if you read you will see the sourcesRogue Gremlin 22:48, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
  • also you know te part about birthplaces and check here for draft info http://www.drafthistory.com/years.html

Burt Reynolds' Birthplace...source citing and 'notes'...

Hello Dalbury,

I've noticed you have commented on the Burt Reynolds discussion page awhile ago, and since then I have added a lot of information on the birthplace discussion as well. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Burt_Reynolds#Burt.27s_Website

Anyway, its my impression that Rogue_Gremlin is 'hijacking' this site and refusing to allow anything other than his opinion to be reflected on the main page regarding the birthplace debate. At best we get the 'neutral': "While most sources give Burt Reynolds' birthplace as Waycross, Georgia (Birthplace. The Biography Channel.). Reynolds himself said on Dinah Shore, Carol Burnett, Merv Griffin, Mike Douglas and Johnny Carson he was born in Waycross, Georgia. It alludes in Reynolds autobiography that he was born in Lansing, Michigan Reynolds. P. 10. Burt's website is now up and running, but it doesn't mention either Michigan or Georgia, it only mentions his hometown in Jupiter, Florida."

That is out of date (his official website and his autobiography show that he was born in Lansing). On 3 separate posts on the discussion page, Rogue made it clear he was going to let Burt's Official site 'settle it' and now that they've come back and said that he was born in Michigan, not surprisingly, he has abandoned that plan and instead decided to attack the integrity of Burt's site and leave things as they stand at disputed. I can live with "disputed" listed as his birthplace as long as the notes attached to it are completely neutral (and maybe refer to the discussion page where a number of sources have been provided) They are not currently. I'm sure if we said "Burt's official website and his autobiography say he was born in Lansing. The Chicago Sun Times says he was born in Waycross", Rogue wouldn't consider that neutral either.

Anyway, I'm wondering what can be done to at minimum have the site's neutrality enforced. In my opinion, we've more than proven Burt Reynolds was born in Lansing, but again I can live with 'disputed' as long as the comments attached to it our completely neutral. Thanks. JSDA 23:21, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

I walked away from this dispute a while back as the Request for Comments I stated drew very little participation, and the hassle of dealing with the article was more than I wanted at the time. I looked at Burt's official web site within the past hour, and I don't see where his birth place is given. For the record, I am convinced that Burt Reynolds was born in Lansing, but I don't see the reliable sources to establish that incontestably (he certainly ducked the issue in his autobiography). What I do see is a lot of original research from both sides of this dispute. For now, I intend to stay out of the dispute. -- Donald Albury 23:33, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

• • No problem, I can certainly understand how someone would tire of the discussion. I can keep plugging away myself. I wasn't so much concerned with Lansing being listed as his birthplace. I know Rogue will never be convinced he is from Lansing no matter how much evidence he sees, and therefore it will always be considered 'disputed'. I just wanted to make sure description of the dispute was noted neutrally. In my opinion, it isn't currently (I'm talking about on the main page, when you click on the '1' (note) next the 'birthplace disputed' (under Burt's photo). I was going to edit that myself to make it more neutral, but apparently I don't have the rights to do that (or if I do, I don't see how to do it). Thanks. JSDA 23:41, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

• • • Oops, I missed your comment that you didn't see where Burt's birthplace was listed on his official website. Here is the link:

http://www.burtreynolds.com/features.personal_faqs/ JSDA 00:43, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

• • • • Hi Donald, I just saw your most recent edit on the article page, and I'm a little confused by the reference "rv, a citation to a specific reference per WP:CS is needed, you cannot cite the talk page as a reference". Not sure what 'rv' is (unless you meant 'rg' for RogueGremlin?), but that was actually my edit, not his (might have been confusing because I put it at the end of his comment). I was just trying to steer people to the 'discussion page' for more info on the dispute (not to reference a particular item (if thats how it looked). I notice on your July 9th edit, you updated "For more details and sources, see the discussion page.</ref>"...thats the same thing I was trying to do there.

Also, as far as references go, maybe I'm just missing it, but Rogue keeps stating that "Burt Reynolds has said.." and then his sources for this appear to simply be websites that give Burt's birtplace as Waycross, not anything showing that Burt actually said he was born in Waycross. Doesn't seem like an accurate representation of the source to me. I could say "Burt Reynolds has said he was born in Lansing" and then refer to a website that lists his birthplace as Lansing, and that would be the same thing. No? JSDA 16:47, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

'rv' is short for 'revert'. Please cite a published reliable source for anything you add to the article. Saying that the family appears in city directories for the period appears to be original research, which is not allowed. Both you and RogueGremlin have been trying to inject original research into this article. We can only use what has been published in reliable sources, as is stated in the policy at Misplaced Pages:Verifiability. -- Donald Albury 16:57, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

• • Got it. This being the case, I'd assume this means Rogue's comments that "Burt has said..." can be removed until he shows a reliable source that shows Burt Reynolds saying he was born in Waycross, not just websites listing Waycross as his birthplace? JSDA 17:01, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Websites are considered to be "published". A determination of whether they are "reliable sources" is made the same way as for paper sources. As a rule, however, blogs, forums and self-published websites are not considered to be "reliable sources". RogueGremlin's references to what anyone has said on TV talk shows appears to be original research. Unless he can cite reliable published sources for those claims, I will remove them. As for the city directories, while you might be able to cite (book title, publisher, year) one for saying a person with such-and-such name lived in a certain city in a certain year, you cannot draw any conclusions from that. -- Donald Albury 17:22, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

• • • • Got it, thanks. If anything, this debate is helping me become familiar with Wiki policies and procedures. :) JSDA 17:46, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Miami-area special project: Your input needed!

Dear Dalbury,

You appear to be active in WikiProject Miami, or have contributed a lot recently to Miami-related articles. I would like to invite you to contribute your opinions on a grant proposal for a project that may provide unique and helpful resources for Misplaced Pages in Miami.

Over the last six months, Misplaced Pages and Wikinews have been discussing a project proposal with the Knight Foundation which could create a new type of an environment for locally-oriented encyclopedic and news content. The general idea involves an official sanctioning of a local Wiki community in one or two charter areas, one of them being Miami. The Wiki community would be empowered to cover all things Miami -- even things that normally would not pass notability restrictions -- and cover both encyclopedic information as well as current events in the South Florida community. The proposal may even involve the creation of a physical "wiki space": some sort of a local room or office to coordinate efforts and provide community members with a place to create and edit articles.

I'm working on formalizing the proposal, and would like to invite you and other Miami contributors to a project brainstorming session via chat. The chat will take place this Saturday, July 14th, at 12 noon Eastern Time (9am Pacific). If enough people can't make it there will be an additional repeat meeting at some later time.

The online meeting will happen using IRC on the channel #wikipedia-miami -- you can use your own chat client or the use this handy link to join the chat. Please don't forget to provide your username when you log into chat.

I look forward to talking with you. Thanks! -- IlyaHaykinson 04:25, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Re: Ocala, FL Campus of Rasmussen College

Rasmussen College has a campus in Ocala, FL: see footer at http://www.rasmussen.edu for source.

Sorry, but Webster College, which is a subsidiary of the company that owns Rasmussen, is in Ocala. That is not the same as saying that Rasmussen has a campus there. -- Donald Albury 18:17, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

HMS Tyger (1647)

Nice work onthe HMS Tyger (1647) article. Kudos to you, sir! --Kralizec! (talk) 04:17, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you! -- Donald Albury 20:11, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

On 12 July, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article HMS Tyger (1647), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Andrew c  00:50, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

(This was added to my talk page erroneously, I'm giving credit where it is due.) Rigadoun (talk) 20:01, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you! I had been watching the nomination, so I knew already. :-) -- Donald Albury 20:11, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

burt

So should everything referencing his autobiography be removed also, since there is no link to the autobigraphy itself?. Because only providing a year of a book and an ISBN # to a book that is out of print, is no different than me providing the shows title and the year of the episode as a source. Because by just providing the book # you are saying we have to find an out of print book and read it ourselves. So should I know begin the deletion of all the stuff linked to his unsourced autobiography?Rogue Gremlin 23:26, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

• you say material is unsourced, which is not true. Gave the source and year of the episode.Rogue Gremlin 23:29, 12 July 2007 (UTC)