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I removed the atheist links because of 1.non-notable 2. Request from CARM. Falphin 16:49, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I disagree. CARM is directly responsible for the offshoot that became AARM, so it is notable. Mdavidn 17:04, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I have after reviewing the site. In response I will argue that it is not CARMS fault for AARM. The cause was atheists that disagreed with CARMS policies. So the cause is the atheists not CARM. Therfore it is not notable and it is not wikipedias responsibility to make something notable. Falphin 17:11, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I still disagree. The reasons for AARM's creation are somewhat complex, and I do not wish to be drawn into that discussion. However, it should be noted that these "atheists" were happy at the CARM forums for many years before the sudden formation of AARM, so I do not see how it could be argued that they are exclusively to blame. It should also be noted that the participants at AARM are not all atheist. I still believe the link is notable. Mdavidn 17:26, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I understand I doubt a full agreement can be made on the topic. But I do want to thank you for paying attention to the article. Falphin 18:51, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

User:Falphin has called the AARM site "relevant to CARM" in an edit summary elsewhere. If it was founded in reaction to CARM and has a similar mission, and if it has additional informaiton that would be of use to readers, then it should be included. Being "notable" has noting to do with it. And the wishes of CARM have nothing to do with it either. How do we know their wishes anyway? Cheers, -Willmcw 19:20, Jun 11, 2005 (UTC)

I see, the biggest problem is not that the links are parody but they include offensive material against Carm. Thats why it was such a big deal their. I won't revert instead I will wait for you answer. Falphin 19:36, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I found the request from CARM that you mentioned above. The person who made the request does not seem to have an unbiased opinion on the matter and may have a conflict of interest, since she did play a significant role in the formation of AARM. She is too quick to characterize the AARM perspective as "nonsense slander," "lies," "dishonest," and "seriously disturbed." Honoring her request to suppress a certain POV on this article does not seem in the spirit of Misplaced Pages. Mdavidn 19:36, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

What kind of offensive material? We often include websites that are critical of the subject of articles. If AARM is posting material critical of CARM that is all the more reason to include them here. Also, if one of the editors is an active participant in CARM, then it is important to remember that we all need to stay NPOV and focus on the quality of the article. While we're here, we're editors. Thanks, -Willmcw 19:44, Jun 11, 2005 (UTC)

Its more than that. I'll ask for specific expamples if you want. While I don't completely disagree with the links it has made them very upset, they intend to write a formal complaint to wikipedia.Falphin 19:49, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Yes please do. Thanks, -Willmcw 19:53, Jun 11, 2005 (UTC)

I've asked and am waiting for a reply(I would give them a couple days.) I will also do more of my own independent research into it which I have already started. Falphin 20:21, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

If you'll agree to it, can we leave the links off until I get the information. It would be beneficial it getting info from Dianne. Falphin 20:35, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Why would we leave the links off? BTW, who are the "they" that you refer to as being offended? Are these forum participants or are we talking about Slick himself? Thanks, -Willmcw 20:37, Jun 11, 2005 (UTC)