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Block and protection

I am returning your block to the original one week duration. I reblocked you for a longer period because I made a mistake in looking at the history of your talk page and thought you had put the copyrighted song lyrics up again after they were removed. I have also restored the last version of your talk page and lifted the protection. Your photos of a bathroom and a Senator seem to fall within the scope of what users are allowed to put on their user and talk page. See for example this current discussion and also see what userspace is not. Certainly it would be a problem if you were making possibly libelous insinuations about a private person, or about a public person based on rumors or partisan sites, but that is not the case here, and poking a little fun seems to be within the latitude allowed. Thatcher131 00:25, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you! smedleyΔbutler 04:27, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
User:Thatcher131, I am glad to see that you did not use the passive voice, and that you admitted that you “made a mistake.” And yet, I searched your statement three times in vain for phrases such as, “I’m sorry,” “I apologize,” “Would you please accept my apology?” and “Yours with deepest regret and contrition.” ‘Bout time you cowboyed up, eh, pardner? 71.249.54.58 05:15, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
Who are you? smedleyΔbutler 20:49, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

:^(

It is clear that you want to make a positive contribution but you are letting your knee-jerk desire to make smart-ass remarks interfere with the quality of your edits, draw attention to yourself, and give those who disagree ammunition against you. Please knock off the personal attacks and baiting. You can catch more flies with honey than vinegar. ←Ben 08:41, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Don't Pablo Talk | Contributions 08:48, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
Hm. Is this proven or speculation? ←Ben 08:54, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
It's Pablo Talk | Contributions 08:57, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
I looked into it. While possible, I think such accusations should be confined to WP:SSP until a checkuser can be run. ←Ben 09:41, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
. - Crockspot 13:04, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
Pablo, NPA, calling someone another user is an attack. NPA1 You people have to get your stories together for your sockpuppet charges. I am supposed to be Seven of Diamonds! Your track record is 0 of 6? Not so good. The group is looking like conspircay theories. Thank you for the advice Ben. Why do RW like Morton Devoshire and Mongo get to make smart-ass comments but not leftists? smedleyΔbutler 19:02, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
Because they carefully follow the rules and make smart-ass remarks about edits instead of people. If you did that, too, a lot of your problems would vanish. ←Ben 20:19, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
I see! That way there is no NPA. Ive been seeing that plan on the THF - Shankbone war. Very smart. smedleyΔbutler 20:52, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

For example:

he won't communicate about this issue
he lacks good faith intentions
his only object is to haunt me and get me to bite

Those comments aren't about edits. They may be true, but they aren't going to help you. ←Ben 10:15, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

WP:BLP

Hi, if you continue to add unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material about living persons I will extend your block. BLP applies to any Misplaced Pages page, and quoting from the BLP page: An important rule of thumb when writing biographical material about living persons is "do no harm". Misplaced Pages is an encyclopedia, not a tabloid; it is not our job to be sensationalist, or to be the primary vehicle for the spread of titillating claims about people's lives. Biographies of living persons (BLP)s must be written conservatively, with regard for the subject's privacy. Again, if you keep adding this material I'll extend your block and post a suggestion to WP:AN/I that you be permanently blocked. RxS 20:04, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Administrator Thatcher131 said it was Okay. Read above. Post your issue to the official administrators complaint board and get a consensus. I think you are mistaken. In the mean-time I point you to Morton Devonshires user-page and make an official complaint that you deal to the dozens of BLP rules violations there. if you are neutral POV administrator I hope that you will proceed there and deal to the BLP's that are 100X more frequent that mine. This is an official request. Thank you. smedleyΔbutler 20:32, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
What exactly is wrong with his user page? Are there specific examples? Pablo Talk | Contributions 20:34, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
Post a request on the BLP board if you can't tell. I would rather you not post here after calling me a sockpuppet and NPA. Will you honor my request?. smedleyΔbutler 20:38, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
Sure. I will make an exception if I feel there is something that needs your attention, however. Pablo Talk | Contributions 20:44, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
Pablo to answer your question, this is the addition I think is a problem: . It's outside of what Thatcher131 was referring to and I think falls within the quoted text in my comments above. Bad taste wouldn't normally be a clear BLP issue, but I think this goes beyond bad taste and is sensationalist for no purpose. Beyond those concerns are general issues that have been ongoing for several weeks....taunting, disruption etc. RxS 21:29, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
If I wanted to argue about this harrassment (IMO) I could and win. Read the Cottaging article. It descibes perfectly what Larry Craig was alleged doing. There is no false light. Calling the Cottaging link a problem can be thought of (no offense and no attack) RW harrassment by some. I am taking down his picture to be nice. smedleyΔbutler 21:57, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

A request

Several users have indicated that they are concerned with the juxtaposition of Senator Craig's portrait and the other image and comments on this page. The consensus seems to have developed that this is a "borderline" use of userspace but after several days your point has been made and the material is still upsetting some other users. I am not going to take any administrator action but was wondering if you would voluntarily agree, in view of the concern it is arousing, to remove or tone down this material. Newyorkbrad 21:11, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

As I noted on my talk page in response to a query, since Sen. Craig pleaded guilty and the case is a matter of public record, it's not exactly a "BLP" or libel issue. It would be very different if the case was a rumor or an allegation or an arrest and a denial pending trial. Certainly Bmedley likes pushing people's buttons and testing limits, which is not exactly community-minded behavior. Thatcher131 21:29, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
The main issue behind my warning above is calling him Larry'Wide Stance'Craig. I didn't have a problem with the rest of the content (besides thinking it's in pretty poor taste etc) but I think starting to call public figures sexually explicit and profane names runs counter not only BPL, but what Misplaced Pages is all about. RxS 22:47, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
RxS, So your edit is based on a false understanding! Have you not been following the case at all, to make such a mistake? Craig said the reason that he touched the foot of the vice cop in the next stall was not on purpose but because he uses a 'wide stance' when sitting on a toilet. All the commentators on TV and print thought this was a funny claim too. Thats why I put 'wide stance'. Have you not been following the case one bit to have not heard that? What is sexual about 'wide stance'? You claim that you removed that because its sexual so whats your understanding what that phrase means, RxS? You threatened a block too, so it must mean something pretty hard to you. Explain up, RxS. Thank you.smedleyΔbutler 23:53, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
What is sexual about 'wide stance? What did you link "wide stance" to? RxS 05:28, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
That is your answer? I think you should of tried better. You already claimed "call public figures sexually explicit and profane names" Did you forget that? I guess so. What is untrue about Cottaging? Nothing. Or the problem with linking 'wide stance' to it? Nothing. He was arrested for crusing gay sex in a public bathroom. That is Cottaging. I am sorry that you decided to harrass (IMO) and threaten me with a block with 0% reason, RxS, and for that I will be filing a complaint on your actions as soon as I am unblocked. smedleyΔbutler 06:17, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
I am taking down Larry Craigs picture to be nice. What about Morton Devonshires page? Why does he get to make dozens of BLPs and insults? Is he 'special'? I am making an official complaint on the many BLPs there. I cant press the edit button to copy the links so you have to go there and look. smedleyΔbutler 22:02, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
I looked at Morton's subpages after your email and everything I saw was copied from article talk pages (that is, its stuff that was written by other editors and would be kept elsewhere even if MD's pages were deleted). Also, his pages at least peripherally relate to the purpose of writing encyclopedia articles (on of the criteria mention on WP:UP#NOT whereas you are making a personal statement. Thatcher131 22:12, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Here are the issues (these quotes are copied off his page)

Take a look at Truth-Professor Steven E. Jones' solar funnel cooker. Is it just me, or does it look like an inverted you know what? I wonder, is this what Reptilian humanoids use to braise their dinner?

Great Liberal Backlash of 2003 -- POV-pushing at its finest, from one of the angriest journalists on the planet, Molly Ivins. Glad it's gone, but its loss will inflame this dude that keeps stalking me.

Re re-re-redirect of Paul Thompson (researcher) -- Misplaced Pages:Deletion review/Log/2006 December 29 -- oh yeah! Take that, you Infidel!

Pilots for 9/11 Truth -- Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Pilots for 9/11 Truth -- cracker-jack research? Yeah right. Thought it up in his underwear, now gone.

If you ever want to see the worst POV-pushing and failure to follow Misplaced Pages rules with respect to WP:RS and WP:OR you're likely to see on Misplaced Pages, go to Talk:State_terrorism_by_United_States_of_America.

Should be nominated for Afd

William Rodriguez -- WTC janitor with a conspiracy theory

Larry Silverstein's Comments On WTC Building 7 Collapse -- entirely original kook research, not one ounce of truth to anything said in the article that could be cited to an objective source. Mountain out of molehill at its finest. So much for 9/11 "research" -- pull it

Action Iran -- Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Action Iran. This time, Iranians sitting around in their underwear in a living room dreaming of Socialist Utopia. G'bye

Information Clearing House -- Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Information Clearing House (second nomination) -- nn conspiracy "news" clearinghouse crackpot site.

The 9/11 REcommission Report -- Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/The 9/11 REcommission Report -- ha, ha, we cannot be stopped!

Do these comments help build the project? smedleyΔbutler 22:29, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

RFC problem

It's appearing on Template:RFCpol list... MessedRocker (talk) 06:31, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. I was looking at the top or the bottom of the list only! smedleyΔbutler 08:08, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Suggestion

Would you consider adoption by a volunteer mentor? I get the impression that if you had someone to talk to when you're in a conflict that could help quite a bit. The worst that could happen is that it would slow things down and give people time to cool off. It's actually a very common choice for editors having trouble. Please think about it. ←Ben 10:20, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. I took the suggestion and asked User:Dev920 to be my mentor. smedleyΔbutler 22:15, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Newshounds

I'd be glad to help, although it won't be right away since I am tied up in this ArbCom dispute. --David Shankbone 15:41, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

reply

Hi, Thanks for your note. I'll take a look. — goethean 22:14, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Reply to message on my talkpage

Has he edited anywhere else than just the Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation after you? One editing conflict + comment removal on the user talkpage isn't necessarily "stalking" per se. I don't see evidence that he is following you around when I'm looking at both of your edit histories, but if you send some diffs I'd be happy to look at them.--Isotope23 15:42, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

WP:ANI

You're being discussed at ANI again. Pablo Talk | Contributions 05:14, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Bmedley, I just wanted to let you know that I commented on ANI regarding your promotion of pedophilia invitation to engage in gay sex on multiple users talk pages. You really need to restrain yourself when it comes to this kind of behavior. Dman727 05:39, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
Bmedley. I was informed that I read your edit incorrectly. While you were discussing wives and children, it was not a promotion of pedophilia at all, but rather an invitation to participate in homosexual sex. I updated my comments at ANI appropriatly. Dman727 05:54, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

On the block

I have recently indefinitely blocked you for continued violations of[REDACTED] policy. I left a comment on AN/I elaborating on the reasoning for the block. I just want to remind you that indefinite is not equal to infinite and I am more than willing to unblock you. However, it seems that past blocks have done little to change your conduct on wikipedia. I want an honest commitment from you to change your conduct for future use. I understand that you are, at this point angered. However, when you do come back to this page with a cooler head I hope you consider more seriously what it is I am saying.--Jersey Devil 06:03, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

I want an unblock and a RFC. I will not tolerate tag-team harrasmment by the same small RW group who just drove Seven Of Diamond off Wiki, and harrass and drive out any leftist with organized team tactics. Dheyward Wikistalked me. Here is what I last wrote but couldn't post on ANI because of my block.
Neither of you talk to the troll edit Dheyward made, then when I asked to talk to him about it, he deleted my question on his talk page as 'trolling'. His edit was 100% POINT and trolling and hurt the article, not helped it. He knew the correct info, but would have rather made a POINT troll edit instead! (links coming) That is WP abuse and an attempt to bait me. I avoided EVERY SINGLE article that 'they' edit after my block to avoid them. Dheyward Wikistalked me then did it again on Mongos page about my request for a LBGT mentor.smedleyΔbutler 06:07, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
The main issue for my decision to indef block comes not from any dispute with these users. Perhaps you are right in that some may be trying to "bait" you however that is not relevant to this discussion. What concerns me is these two edits. It shows to me that you still consider Misplaced Pages to be a tool for "outing" people instead of what it is, namely an encyclopedia. The second edit shows a continued incivility in talking with other users which has unfortunately been habitual in your time here. I have seen very little substantive change since your last block which is why I felt the need to do what I did.--Jersey Devil 06:24, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
You misunderstand. If there are strong allegations from 'RS' that someone has had Gay sex they should be included on Wiki. Just look at the Matt Drudge article and the fights there. For months! The RW team will go to any distance to keep well-proven claims that their RW 'heros' have had Gay sex or are Gay or Bi. There were strong allegations about Larry Craig for 2 years! But not on Wiki where the RW team protect the articles. Thats all. If the alleagtions aren't RS, just from a small blog they shouldndt go in, but when the claims are RS documented they should. They're not. smedleyΔbutler 06:39, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
Misplaced Pages is not a news source, nor a forum for original research, nor a rumor mill. It is an encyclopedia. That it was not the outlet to break the Craig story is a positive, not a negative. As I've said before, I believe that Misplaced Pages is simply not the right place for this editor, whose agenda is incompatible with that of the project. The blatant, unrelenting violations of policies, guidelines, and the very spirit of Misplaced Pages illustrate that the project would be better off without the user's editing, and perhaps that the user would be better off without his editing Misplaced Pages as well. Calbaer 18:09, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

My proof

Dheyward Wikistalks me to an article that he never edited, after my block ends. I was on purpose avoiding every single article that the RW team who I have had all the problems with are editing so as to not get into fights. He makes a troll POINT edit. Link I advice him not to do that, and he revs my request as trolling. Link Then he Wikistalks my message asking for a LBGT mentor and talks about his Wikistalking to another on me at the RW team. Now they all show up and pile on at the ANI. smedleyΔbutler 06:26, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

New rules for right now

Just like Mongo, Crockspot, Dheyward and more I am now removing any post I want. I will leave the posts from any adminstrator and people I want and the others no. They are most an attempt to bait me using subtle tactics anyway, IMO. smedleyΔbutler 06:58, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

My Request for unblock

I would like an unblock and a promise that others stop Wikistalking me, and discussing their Wikistalks about me like DHeyward did in the last days. I avoided every single article the RW team that I had the many problems with edits to avoid these fights, and then DHeyward stalks and haunts me, and again stalks me by talking about my asking for a LBGT mentor on Mongos page. I will continue to avoid them just like I tried before he Wikistalked me. I will not edit any articles to do with outing since that is so much a concern. I already retreated from the Larry Craig article! I will just work on WHINSEC and Big Sur for right now. Okay? smedleyΔbutler 07:06, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

I cannot trust you to be unblocked under any circumstances right now. I have never even heard of you until I read about your actions on the administrators' noticeboards and saw a ridiculous barnstar that you awarded yourself for outing homosexual editors of Misplaced Pages. This and your constant bandying about of "RW" and accusing others of being in this group is completely unacceptable practice for an editor of a user-created encyclopedia. You have been on Misplaced Pages for less than two months and you have had five unique blocks placed on your account (including this current indefinite one). What articles you edit are not the issue right now. It's your discourse with other individuals on this website that is the reason you are indefinitely blocked.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 07:19, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
"outing homosexual editors"??? That is 100% false and I ask that you proof that now with links or remove that 100% false claim! That is a defamation. I am Gay and I never outed any editor! I think you are confused that I found Crockspots homophobic edits on a RW forum. Where he talked about Gays 'taking it up the ass', and Blacks as 'porch monkeys' And he was running for admin. Another for the RW team! If you don't think there are BIG RW - LW wars all over Wiki you are hiding under the rug. Do you want me to link to the many many posts on RW forums (and a few LW) advicing people to skew-edit certain articles? Did you not read about Wikiscanner? Why are you so in denial? You administrators better get some handles on this! I can point to AFDs just now where the POV bias of the administrators is as clear as the nose on my face! Don't hide the POV bias here even from administrators. Deal with it. smedleyΔbutler 07:32, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
The text was "I award you, Bmedley Sutler, this Queer barnstar for all your hard work outing closeted homosexuals. You are hot and you rock." So it wasn't editors, but it was still extremely inappropriate.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 17:20, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Mentoring

I can certainly try mentoring you, but I don't know whether you would want to be mentored by me. I am a member of the LGBT community, yes, but I'm also totally right wing and I certainly don't believe in outing people before they're ready. I figured you should know that before asking me to mentor you. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 08:24, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

We might not be the best fit as I dont know of any body who calls themself 'totally right wing' who supports full equal rights and equal status for all members of the LGBT communiity like I do. I also feel that outing of hypocrites who support discrimination against Gays in their public life but enjoy Gay sex in their private life and hide that is a very important tool in gaining equality and respect. Thank you though. smedleyΔbutler 09:02, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Request for unblock

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Bmedley Sutler (block logactive blocksglobal blockscontribsdeleted contribsfilter logcreation logchange block settingsunblockcheckuser (log))


Request reason:

I admit that some could see my edits to Dheyward and Mongos pages as bad, but I 100% proofed that Dheyward Wikistalked me, and his action of making the troll edit then erasing my comment to him (see above) then talking about me on Mongos page is what started it all.. This has happened from as soon as I got here! I said that the USGOV was editing articles BEFORE the Wikiscanner page came out, and ALL of them insulted me and mocked me over it. They have their own rules. its 100% true! As soon as I got here there was a hearing for Momgo who said insults 10X as bad as me, and as often as me, and what became of it? One of his administrator friend ERASED it, thats what! Yes I over-acted, but if Dheyward hadn't have Wikistalking me it never would have happened. I did my part after my block by 100% avoiding every article that this group edits, why can't they leave me alone. I got an email that theyre trying to ban me over the Crockspot ARBCOM for revenge, and just look - as soon as my ban is over, one of them starts Wikistalking me. Ill 100% leave them alone, and only ask the same. Please unblock me

Decline reason:

Your edits are simply inappropriate here. Until you can abide by Misplaced Pages's policies and not overreact, it would be inappropriate to unblock you. — Yamla 14:25, 6 September 2007 (UTC)


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