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When I find that the conversations or issues discussed here have either ended or resolved, they will be inserted into my archives at my own discretion.—Ryūlóng

Gekiranger: Long and Genjuuken

Found this info that reveals more on the mysterious Long.

After the Kenma are defeated, Long takes over as the main villian. Furthermore, he's actually of the Genjuuken (幻獣拳, Genjūken, Phantom Beast Fist), a extremely evil offshoot of the Rinjuuken Akugata. Fractyl 17:26, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Actually the pun comes for comparing to Byakko as well as the symbolic colors they each have.

• Byakko: Baihu, the White Tiger.
• Long: Huang Long, the Yellow Dragon.

Furthermore, there's to be two characters based on Suzaku and Genbu coming soon. Fractyl 02:42, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Meritwants

I see that you blocked this user. Yeah, I tried to warn him or her, but he or she just wouldn't listen. Either that, or they actually didn't read the messages left by a bot and by me. Flyer22 00:11, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

In these cases, it's not worth it to allow the user to continue editting because they obviously don't read their talk page.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 00:17, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I completely understand. I was soon going to report this user myself. I'm glad that you took care of this matter. Flyer22 01:07, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

speedy-deletions from the 10 October list

Good afternoon, Ryulong. Are you closing discussions from the 10 Oct RfD discussion page? If so, we may be having edits which are stepping on each other. I saw several deletions which did not mention the RfD discussion but for which good-faith RfD discussions were on-going. Thinking that the deletion was being made as a speedy-deletion in ignorance of the RfD, I restored the pages (with a note in the RfD that the deletion should probably be interpreted as a "delete" opinion).

If you in fact were closing discussions, please overturn my action and re-delete. But please at least reference the RfD discussion in the edit summary so that any future editor will be able to find the discussion if necessary. Thanks. Rossami (talk) 21:01, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

I did not bother to make note of the RFDs because I used my own discretion and nuked them from orbit. The various redirects were useless, as far as I see, and could all be speedy deleted.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 21:28, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

You know, I've got to ask if you're just trying to push my buttons now. Being "useless" is not a speedy deletion criterion. In fact, it's not even a regular deletion criterion according to the terms listed at Misplaced Pages:Redirect#When should we delete a redirect?. On the contrary, the advice on the policy page explicitly tells us not to assume that we can predict how others use Misplaced Pages.
Closing an RfD with the comment "personal discretion" is about as far out-of-process as you can get for speedy-deletions. When the speedy-deletion process was approved, it was with the very firm understanding that its use would be strictly limited to the explicitly listed criteria and that those criteria would be narrowly interpreted to only situations where every reasonable admin would agree. In any case involving judgment, the process would be sent to what was then VfD, and now is XfD for discussion by the community. There is no "discretion" in the speedy-deletion criteria.
Had you closed the discussions properly, I would not have disagreed with any of the closure decisions that you made (at least, not enough to dispute it). However, I feel very strongly that the process used to reach that decision is important. "Nuking from orbit" when there is an on-going XfD discussion with good-faith arguments being presented on both sides is wrong. It is unhealthy for the project and will create division and dissent where none is needed. In the future, please let the XfD processes work. Rossami (talk) 03:10, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

There was consensus for them all to be deleted and I used my personal discretion to add my "vote" as you put it, and send the redirects back to where they should be, deleted. No one will come to the English Misplaced Pages and look up terms in hiragana or kanji, and won't automatically get those items in the search function. The rest were uncommon and impossible to utilize spellings or simply nonsense strings of words mildly related to the subject of the article they redirected to. If you feel that the items should not have been deleted, send it to DRV. If you think they should have been deleted, but simply disagree with the way I went about deleting them, that's what my talk page is for.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 03:13, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

User talk:Zonerzofhaggers

Currently requesting unblocking. Username blocked, with a hard block to prevent them from choosing another name, no less. What'd I miss? – Luna Santin (talk) 23:43, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

There's the whole Grawp issue, where he uses "HAGGER" in his vandalism.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 01:49, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Will you consider disabling ACB? Mercury 11:15, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

I think the link is strong enough to suggest that this is a sockpuppet. If not, the user can always create a new account in 24 hours. Mangojuice 15:32, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

More Grawp pages...

You may also want to add HERMY??? and Talk:HERMY??? to the list of protected Grawp titles. TML 11:21, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Blacktro

Dear Ryolong,

I would like to post a article in english about a new musical genre. It's called Blacktro, I think you've heard of it since you already deleted one article about this before. I've made an article in Dutch, because it's an new music genre from Amsterdam. But I was wondering why this last page was deleted and what was on that page. Can I find this somewhere on wikipedia?

Thanks,

Wilm68 12:29, 17 October 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wilm68 (talk • contribs) 12:25, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Ranger Template

On the PR template (if that's the right name, I'm not sure), it has a link to the Quantum Ranger, which has since been merged with the Time Force Power Rangers. So I was wondering if that link is necessary, since both links take you to the same page.CrystallixRed 03:57, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

The dragon Half manga page got deleted

You deleted the dragon half manga page. I must have it back.Momomai 20:03, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

There was nothing there that could not be mentioned in the main Dragon Half article, which is on both the manga and the anime. You cannot have control over a page, and have several copyrighted images on them.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 21:07, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

ANI thread

WP:ANI#User:Ryulong_block_review if you're interested. Carbon Monoxide 02:36, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

ANI notice

(ec) Hi, Ryulong - I got an e-mail from a user you indef-blocked (apparently because I was involved in your Request for Comment), asking for a block review. I'm no expert on the subject matter or the history of the issue so I posted it at WP:ANI here. Videmus Omnia 02:38, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

On Dr. Seaweed puppeteer

Hi, Ryulong, thanks for your intervention again. It looks like we can have serious discussions on the talk page again. However, it seems we forgot puppet User:Herbert Dingle himself. Up to now he always signed with parenteses around the "~~~~": here, here, here, here, here, here, here, but now suddenly (since you more or less gave away their signing behaviour), without parenteses. Also note the reason for his being here: "Hi! I'm an astronomer. My main interest is in pointing out the inconsistencies in Einstein's theories of relativity. Two clocks cannot possibly both run slower than each other, yet this is what Einstein's special theory of relativity implies. I intend to highlight this fact and also the fact that attempts to highlight it are suppressed." DVdm 09:04, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Whoops, that was quick, thanks. Now, let's wait and see with which kind of vengeance he will be back :-)

Cheers, DVdm 09:15, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

It seems we have another one that slipped through the maze:

• Hamset Jeejeeboy (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki) -- See a.o. here and here - DVdm 12:24, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

No Gyulong, you are now getting carried away with yourself. Swanzsteve has got nothing to do with myself or the Brigadier. It's pretty pathetic of you to conclude that everybody who is supporting Dingle must be the same person. Do you make the same conclusion regarding the fact that EMS and Denveron argue identically? Have you bothered to check them out yet? Why not block them anyway as you did with all the pro-Dingle users until the checkuser results come back. I don't think you'd make a very good detective. Sir Jamset G Jeejeeboy 10:06, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

May I have an alternate account?

Yo,Ryu. I'm asking if I can have an alternate account:User:SASUKE.--Xterra1(talk)(Work)(Sign) 14:14, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Why would you want to use an alternate account?—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 20:19, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Confronting

Why'd you treat User:Ionas68224 with rude and unneccessafy comments? I mean, come on... he's had his own troubles in life. Why'd you make his life worse? And by the way, why aren't we allowed to use User:Ryulong/Clock on our own pages if we want to? 63.3.21.129 07:08, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Because he treated me rudely to begin with. And most of the other stuff is a way to prevent impersonation by others.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 07:40, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

This Ionas fellow (you, I presume) wrote to us on the mailing list and I reviewed his case extensively and even contacted one of the blocking admins. Personally, I support the block wholeheartedly. He was disruptive and wasted way too much time and some of his claims were found to be untrue. I am sorry if it is true that he has troubles in his life, but people need to understand that Misplaced Pages is a serious project and not a counseling venue or a place to find therapy. If people come here and are rude and disruptive, harass other editors, create lots of sockpuppets and cause lots of problems for good people to waste their own time cleaning up, then we will block them for the good of the project, regardless of their real life troubles. Sarah 12:44, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Are you saying he never made any constructive edits to Misplaced Pages while he was here? (By the way, I am not him. I'm a friend who's known him on Misplaced Pages for a long time. Good day to you all!) 63.3.21.129 21:27, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

And what is the problem with allowing him to vanish? It won't hurt naybody? 63.3.21.129 21:30, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Also, if I do use your clock (or copy it for myself), how is that impersonation? 63.3.21.129 21:30, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

The problem with "allowing him to vanish" was that he claimed priveleges that are not included in anyone else's conception of right to vanish. Having developers go through and delete all log entries concerning him would be very hard, and it would be completely against any spirit of openness to enforce a policy about not ever discussing his actions (if you aren't allowed to reference them, how do you even tell people what you're enforcing)? Those measures might be justified if someone is going to be physically harmed unless we take them, but they are inappropriate just to protect someone's feelings. -Amarkov moo! 21:49, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Also, most of the components of my userpage are set up in a way to prevent people from directly substituting it.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 22:07, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

What if a person subst it, then remove the code that keeps it on your page, then use it on his own userpage? Why would he get blocked just because he did that for his own userpage (with the claim of "impersonation")? If a person wants to use idea for his own userpage, why can't he? 63.3.21.1 02:46, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, in your case, IP users do not get control over what is on their user or user talk pages because IP usage is ephemeral (and also the clock is set to my own timezone).—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 02:53, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, what if a registered user used the clock thing (subst and removed restrictions), and set it to his own time zone? Would he be blocked then? 63.3.21.1 05:32, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

No.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 05:33, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Undeletion of 2008 New York Yankees season

As a courtesy to Wikiproject Baseball's 2008 season articles group, could you please undelete 2008 New York Yankees season? Thanks. --Michael Greiner 23:38, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

The issue right now is that a chunk of the templates and articles in the 2008 season were primarily created by the banned user Eddie Segoura. Per Misplaced Pages policy, any pages substantially editted by banned individuals are deleted, save for their user talk page. Very little of the content of that article was not created by the banned user in question, as such, it is deleted. Right now, I do not feel it should be restored, nor should Template:2008 New York Yankees season game log. If necessary, copy the code from similar articles and templates and recreate it such that it was done by a user in good standing, such as yourself.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 23:45, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

I just recreated the article using the Google Cache of the article and 2007 New York Yankees season. Since the article had seemingly no content against Misplaced Pages policy (other than its creator), I really don't see why recreation could not be done. Also, Voltron was not the only editor to make edits to that page. (I am 98.8% sure I made an edit directing a link to the correct Yankee Stadium being referenced) The template shouldn't have been created in the first place as the Yankees have not released their 2008 schedule yet. --Michael Greiner 00:47, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

I know there was nothing wrong with the article; just its author. Even if other people editted the page, Voltron was still the primary contributor (I saw changes in bit size, and your additions were 3 and his were on the scale of hundreds).—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 01:36, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you Ryulang for fixing my talk page. Cheers! Culverin? —Preceding comment was added at 06:49, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Stale AOL block?

July 13, 2007 Ryulong (Talk | contribs | block) blocked "195.93.0.0/17 (Talk)" (anon. only) with an expiry time of indefinite {{AOLblock}}) (Unblock)

Is this still valid? 195.93.21.67 is currently tagged as forwarding XFF headers now. You might want to get that confirmed by a CheckUser. Thanks. --  Netsnipe  ►  03:56, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, it may have not been then. Feel free to undo.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 04:29, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

BTW, are we softblocking AOL IPs? I know we were doing something with them... can't for the life of me remember what it was.--Isotope23 18:06, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Japanese romanization question

Hi, I just had a quick question about romanization standards. Is the standard to use ou for おう and oh for おお/おー? I know it's probably written somewhere, but I couldn't find anything specifically referencing that. --Egocentrism04 17:46, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

In the Hepburn romanization used on Misplaced Pages, おう, おお, and おー are all written as ō.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 21:04, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

However, in instances on Misplaced Pages for terms not translatable into English, I tend to go with ou for おう, oo for おお, and either ō for おー, unless otherwise stated by the preferred romanization of the subject.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 21:09, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

User:Swanzsteve unblocked

Checkuser evidence suggests that it is highly unlikely that User:Swanzsteve is running any sockpuppets, so I have unblocked him accordingly. --Deskana (talk) 18:55, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Very well then.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 20:58, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes, as I said, that one came a bit as a suprise to me, but on the other hand, based on content and behaviour, it could have explained a lot.

Anyway, it still leaves us with the question: who is the real puppeteer behind the puppets?. It is clear that Swanzsteve is based in Swansea, UK, and that Electrodynamycist was a negative as well. We'll see how things evolve.

Thanks again, for having taken care of the puppets. Cheers, DVdm 21:12, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

>>Thank you gentlemen, for a speedy resolution, Ryolung, in particular for an apology. All I would ask is that >>you announce this error/unblock on the Herbert Dingle Talk Page, in the same way you announced the block.

>>I'm pleased to see that the wiki checking procedures work - Swanzsteve 22:04, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

>>Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Swanzsteve"

--Swanzsteve 14:53, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

As to the real sockpuppeteer(s): Cui Bono? - the only beneficiary(ies) of this saga have been the Dingle-bashers, in particular Denveron, someone with a lot of time on his hands. During this period the article has been turned into a tirade against Dingle. This may seem slightly Machiavellian but it is worth considering. I suggest a similar sockpuppeteering check on the anti-Dingle editors. ---Swanzsteve 15:04, 24 October 2007 (UTC)