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Proposed move

I say "NAY!". It is where it belongs, and it should stay there. I think User:Skysmith would agree with me, if one looks at the history of the Amaterasu article, as they used it first.

And even if it weren't a mythological technicality, it is usually referred to as the "the Sun" anyway, making User:DreamGuy's argument moot.

elvenscout742 29 June 2005 07:30 (UTC)

The fact that someone else did it wrong elsewhere doesn't mean that it should stay wrong. (By the way, I fixed improper capitalization in the header above... Looks like someone has chronic problems with capitalizing words for no reason and against Misplaced Pages style rules... No wonder he's so confused on this article.) DreamGuy July 1, 2005 01:42 (UTC)

As far as I know, capitalization is irrelevant in this case, though I think that Elvenscout's argument has some merit. - Skysmith 2 July 2005 08:28 (UTC)

Disputed

Missing Sun is the name of the myth, therefore both Missing and Sun should be capitalized. What is your problem with this Dreamguy? Please discuss here instead of leaving rude comments in the history entries.--AI 19:46, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Myths do not have names, it is purely a descriptive phrase and therefore is not capitalized. You need to back off your insistence upon making reverts on articles just because you got upset that pointed out that things you were entering in articles was pseudoscience and not real and had to either be labeled as such or removed from articles about real topics. DreamGuy 08:12, Jun 26, 2005 (UTC)

DreamGuy, please read the first paragraph of this article before changing Missing Sun myth again. elvenscout742 8 July 2005 08:53 (UTC)

Elvenscout742, please go read the rules for capitalization before changing this article again. Errors on other pages do not count as justification for making the same and even more errors on this one. DreamGuy July 8, 2005 11:00 (UTC)

I don't care about those capitalization rules right now. The Sun article is right, as are the hundreds of books that I've seen spell it with an upper case S, as are the majority of English-speakers who can spell. You, I'm afraid, are the one that has made the error. elvenscout742 02:28, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Oh, lookey, lookey! Even your precious rules agree with me on this. Looks like you are at last beaten, DreamGuy! elvenscout742 02:36, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

It'd help if you actually read the section. It clearly says that "The words sun, earth, and moon are proper nouns when used in an astronomical context, but not elsewhere". This article is not using the term in an astronomical context, it is using it in the mythological context. Even the example there ("It was a lovely day and the sun was warm") proves you wrong. Sun is lowercase, and the link you provided proves it. DreamGuy 19:34, July 10, 2005 (UTC)

I did read the section. How do think I knew it agreed with me? This is in an astromonical context, referring specifically to our Sun. Nowhere does it say "The sun is warm today" or anything like that. It deals with the celestial body, not casual conversation regarding the weather. elvenscout742 11:40, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

You did not read the section because you claim that it agrees with you when it clearly DOES NOT. Your claim that Nowhere does it say "The sun is warm today" or anything like that. is simply false. Check the middle of the second paragraph in the Celestial bodies section of the Manual of Style for capitalization. At this point your stubborness and unwillingness to admit you are wrong is self-evident. DreamGuy 18:01, July 11, 2005 (UTC)

New name of article

It occurred to me that my change calling this a motif was something that shouldn't just be in the lead sentence but in the title. "Missing sun myth" is a misnomer, as a myth is a discrete story while motifs are themes in stories. An article talking about how many myths feature missing suns is discussing a motif, not a myth. It would also be somewhat accurate to have called it missing sun myths but Misplaced Pages policy doesn't like plurals.

Now between this explanation, the rules for capitalization in general (as shown at Misplaced Pages:Capitalization), and also the very specifical example on that page showing that sun should be lowercase unless used in astronomy, hopefully there will be no more pointless bickering and trying to get it back to a version that was incorrect in several ways. DreamGuy 19:58, July 10, 2005 (UTC)

No, DreamGuy, it was not you who used the word motif. I used it when I first wrote the article over a month before you came along and started ruining it (). I think you misunderstood the reference to Sun having a capital S. The article said that it has a capital when it refers specifically to our Sun as opposed to other suns elsewhere in the Universe (upper case for that, too, FYI). This article is about the myth that has many different versions that each detail the beliefs of a particular culture as to why our Sun disppears at night, or during the winter. (Also, on a side note, this article does deal with primitive astronomy. It's not some guy saying "Oh, the sun is hot today".) elvenscout742 11:25, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

No, sorry, but it's clear that you are completely wrong. Again, the Celestial bodies section of the Manual of Style for capitalization makes this explicitly clear. This is not an article about astronomy. The example given on the page linked to makes it clear that only scientific astronomical references capitalize the Sun and it is otherwise lowercase. And also you clearly do not understand the difference between a myth and a motif. See the article World egg for an example. That is not called Egg myth because it's not a myth, it's a theme (i.s. motif) in a group of myths.DreamGuy 18:07, July 11, 2005 (UTC)

That is an unprovoked personal attack on my knowledge of mythology. Their are other examples of the egg motif than the world egg. Try reading some of "Mythology: An Anthology of World Myth and Storytelling". I am not in the mood to make any more "revenge reverts" right now, so for the time being I will let you away with this. Hopefully soon there will come a time when you can no longer do this. (BTW, if I wanted revenge, I'd make personal attacks and start following you around Misplaced Pages undoing all your edits on subjects I know next to nothing about, but I'm bigger than that, as are User:Gabrielsimon, User:Dbraceyrules and User:AI. Apparently, and unfortunately, though, you are not.) elvenscout742 19:41, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

One's personal knowledge of mythology is irrelevant. Please avoid original research. ~~~~ 20:22, 11 July 2005 (UTC)