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64.81.244.83 06:27, 19 September 2007 (UTC) "... he later stated that he felt repressed and that American society at large is repressive, especially in terms of sex and sexuality. Brannan also stated that this may be the cause of violence, drug abuse and other self-destructive behavior...." this information is judgmental and indicates a bias on the part of the author. also why are the subject's views on America, violence, sex, and drug abuse relevant in his introductory paragraph

"..His stay as a student at the College Conservatory of Music at the University of Cincinnati only lasted six months. He got kicked out and was told that he could not be an actor....." ... again, biased.

"... Brannan is in no way worried about the effect that the sex scenes might have on his getting future acting roles... " clearly very biased statement

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He's an actor and song writer. It's silly that he hasn't got his own article. Perhaps an administrator could tell me why Aastrup 04:51, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Hardly relevant any more, and that's good :). 130.226.234.130 07:22, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Deleting LGBT info

An anon IP 162.84.242.196 (talk · contribs) keeps deleting the fact that Brannan is gay - specifically the sentence:

In Shortbus, Brannan, who is ] ],<ref name="logo">{{citation |url=http://www.newnownext.com/2007/07/video-lunch-jay.html |periodical=] |title=Jay Brannan - "Body's A Temple" |date=], ] |accessdate=]}}</ref>

Deleting material like this is considered vandalism and one can be blocked for doing so. Before deleting it again, please discuss your reason for doing so here. Thanks! -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 19:15, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

satyr guy -

you are a control freak. why are you the only one who can determine what changes to this article are relevant?

And why do you want to remove the fact that he's gay? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 23:33, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

cuz its irrelevant and you're obviously obsessed with it -- your entire user page and contributions to this site are centered around who is and isnt gay -- its like a personal agenda

My agenda, and what I may or may not be obsessed with, is making this encyclopedia better through the consensus process. You might be interested in the welcome message I've posted on your talk page - it explains a little bit about Misplaced Pages and how it works. One of the guidelines we all try to follow is the consensus process. What you and I are doing right now is a content dispute - something that happens all the time on Misplaced Pages. You state your concerns about the content on an article, I state mine, and we try to work towards some agreement.

The fact that Brannan is gay is relevant, partially because of the role he played in Shortbus, partially because hiding his sexuality is whitewashing part of who he is. The four words (out of ~1500) *is* important - read the web page that's cited: . Or take a look at the Advocate article: . Hiding his sexuality is definitely against what Brannan is about. So please provide a reason you believe it to be irrelevant.

Since most of our discussion has to do with the article specifically, I'm copying it to the article's talk page. I invite you to continue discussing the issue there. Thanks for at least replying and not just deleting out of hand. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 06:24, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

if a person's sexuality is so relevant to their work, then every "non-gay" artist should have a qualifier stating they are openly straight. what you're doing here is the same as saying something like "whitney houston, a black person, recorded her first album in 19xx" and then linking the statement to a picture proving she's black. it's silly, extraneous, and kind of offensive. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.84.242.196 (talk) 08:12, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Um - it *does* say she's black - third sentence: "...Houston was one of a few black artists to receive heavy..." It doesn't link to proof, but it does state that she's black. As for straight people, they make up 90% or more of the population, so being straight is considered "normal". Being gay has to be stated. And when something like this doesn't happen anymore, then a person's sexuality will be irrelevant. But since we live in a world where that *does* happen, Brannan's sexuality is relevant. I don't see how it's offensive, though. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 14:05, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Brannon is open about his sexuality, it has reliable sources, and his appearance in Shortbus makes it even more relevant than it would have been otherwise. BTW, it's not that straight people are "normal", rather it's that heterosexuality is assumed. That another reason to include the verified statement that he is openly gay. It belongs in the in the article and I'm replacing it. — Becksguy (talk) 22:43, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

If 90% of the population is straight, then being part of that 10% is a fact worthy of note, particularly given it's relevance to his career. I would similarly include such facts as whether Jay is left handed, epileptic, or a Kentucky Colonel. It all adds up to forming an accurate biographical profile, which is the aim of this encyclopedia, an aim that certain quarters seem to be forgetting. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 14:14, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

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