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Misplaced Pages:Redirect for Discussion

Just letting you know I am nominating the redirect page Saft for discussion because if anything it should be an article and not redirecting to something unrelated. --Tedd-the-Tiger (talk) 06:45, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

It is a redirect stub article. So, if you can write the article about Saft, you would do it, because Saft is a very important company in the electric vehicle industry (batteries). --Mac (talk) 06:51, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

UNPA

I am happy to see you have taken an interest in the United Nations Parliamentary Assembly article. My hope is that we can improve it enough to get it to Featured Article status (see Misplaced Pages:Featured article candidates.) We should try to get permission from Andreas Bummel to include the proposed UNPA flag (the one with parliamentary benches). Captain Zyrain 20:09, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

I am ready to help to improve this article. Where can we contact him ?. (If you want, you can send me an email). I belive IPU would obtain a UN General Assembly subsidiary organ status. Regards.--Mac 20:14, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Email

Here is the answer:

Hello,

Mr. Bummel forwarded your request to me. You are welcome to use the proposed design of a UNPA logo and flag on Misplaced Pages. Please credit me with the design.

Tony Fleming U.S. Coordinator Campaign for a United Nations Parliamentary Assembly

> > -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > > Betreff: Permission > > Datum: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 22:23:48 +0200 > > An: info@uno-komitee.de > > > > Can we use the UNPA flag (the one with parliamentary benches) in > > Misplaced Pages (for the encyclopedia article > > http://en.wikipedia.org/United_Nations_Parliamentary_Assembly ) > > ?. > > > > Regards.

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Petroleum dependence

I've nominated an article you've contributed a number of times to for deletion. Discussion is the link above. -Theanphibian 23:35, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

I understand now, when you have built almost all of the articles for German, French, and Japanese nuclear plants. How happy are electric companies and employes about nuclear power. But, people says nuclear (power and residues) ? no, thanks. --Mac 16:54, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

This subject is covered in the appropriate place. -Theanphibian 08:24, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

In the anti-nuclear movement article, without NPOV. --Mac 07:08, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Please vote on FAC

Misplaced Pages:Featured article candidates/United Nations Parliamentary Assembly 66.208.12.125 01:36, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Anti-nuclear movement

Can you upload your image of "nuclear-no-thanks" as a low resolution fair use image to the English[REDACTED] for use in the anti-nuclear movement article? Fair use doesn't exist on the commons. Cheapthrill 19:35, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Uploaded to Image:Englishsm.gif . --Mac 06:57, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Climate ethics

Climate ethics has been nominated for deletion. The problem is that right now the article is all based on information from one organisation. I think the topic is important, however. I've tried to fix the article up it up a bit. I've put in some external links pointing to potential source information. It needs quite a bit of work to make it balanced. Not too many people have added material to the article. You're one. I thought I'd let you know. La la ooh 15 November 2007 —Preceding comment was added at 00:23, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Climate ethics is not one organization´s matter. I know organizations in Europe that ask for climate justice or ethics. And ethical banking also includes climate justice. I am going to try to improve the article, but the concept is there. As the concept of climate crime or inaction, a type of environmental crime. Thank you for the information.--Mac 07:04, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Bi-Fuel redirect

Hi Mac,

I just added article about bi-fuel conversions of generator sets and I think that your redirection of Bi-fuel only to Vehicles is not necessary. Should I edit the page and add link to my article as well?

Thanks Oupi —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oupi (talk • contribs) 15:19, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

For sure, you can. --Mac (talk) 09:01, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Help

See User_talk:SandyGeorgia#UNPA_FAC. We are on the verge of getting article to FA status (just need to fix citations) but I just broke my arm today and typing is rather slow. Do you think you can help? Thanks, Sarsaparilla (talk) 03:25, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Citation needed

Please see User_talk:Nopetro#25.2C000_legislators. If you have any info that may shed light on this, please add it to the article. Thanks, Sarsaparilla (talk) 02:19, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Spam and inappropriate linking on Misplaced Pages

Please do not add inappropriate external links to Misplaced Pages, as you did in Algae Biofuel. Misplaced Pages is not a mere directory of links nor should it be used for advertising or promotion. Inappropriate links include (but are not limited to) links to personal web sites, links to web sites with which you are affiliated, and links that exist to attract visitors to a web site or promote a product. See the external links guideline and spam policies for further explanations of links that are considered appropriate. If you feel the link should be added to the article, then please discuss it on the article's talk page rather than re-adding it. See the welcome page to learn more about Misplaced Pages. Thank you. Pharmboy (talk) 14:04, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Please do not add inappropriate external links to Misplaced Pages, as you did in Biodiesel. Misplaced Pages is not a mere directory of links nor should it be used for advertising or promotion. Inappropriate links include (but are not limited to) links to personal web sites, links to web sites with which you are affiliated, and links that exist to attract visitors to a web site or promote a product. See the external links guideline and spam policies for further explanations of links that are considered appropriate. If you feel the link should be added to the article, then please discuss it on the article's talk page rather than re-adding it. See the welcome page to learn more about Misplaced Pages. Thank you. Pharmboy (talk) 14:04, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

I don't think you are trying to spam these articles on purpose, but Misplaced Pages isn't a depository for links, and any links that are added need to be relevent and not just google click farm style sites. The sites should pass WP:RS and WP:LINKS Pharmboy (talk) 14:10, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

You haven´t say the concrete link you consider spam in this article. In the algae fuel article there are few companies, so work from a concrete or plural companies is interesting enought to include in the article. --Mac (talk) 07:51, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

The links are listed in the diffs. It isn't appropriate to make a list of companies that make biofuels. That is against policy. The links should be to INDEPENDENT sites that review, discuss, research the technology, AND meet the requirements of WP:RS and WP:LINKS. This falls under the WP:NOT rule that Misplaced Pages isn't a depository of links. Again, I don't doubt you put in the links in good faith, but they are still counter to the policy on links. Pharmboy (talk) 16:03, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

I think is a polite attitude include a link to the CONCRETE diff in my talk page. And write one, where later you can inclue more articles if necessary, instead of two identical messages without concrete references to the links deleted and why you deleted them. On the other hand, WP:RS is a guideline, NOT A POLICY. Misplaced Pages:External links, as said in the beginning of the page, " is considered a style GUIDELLINE" - again-"on Misplaced Pages. It is a generally accepted standard that all editors should follow. However, it is not set in stone and should be treated with common sense and the occasional exception". You say "Again, I don't doubt you put in the links in good faith, but they are still counter to the policy on links": yes, I have done it in the good faith to improve Misplaced Pages, but these are not policies, but guidelines. I am sure you are also using the good faith. More content after look at the diffs. --Mac (talk) 07:02, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

About deleting the link to Biodiesel encyclopedia in the Biodiesel article, I think this encyclopedia is not spam and gives additional encyclopedic content to the Misplaced Pages article, including history, properties and characteristics, economics, case studies and so on.

Algae fuel: Oilgae would be a reference for the name of the fuel. I would include the link to the open source movement, in a similar way to happens in FSF, Plug-in hybrids and other article. The self Misplaced Pages is an open/free source project. Finally, the links to bioreactors were added because people has asked about where get them (I can paste the questions). --Mac (talk) 07:27, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

The reason that the comments look the same above is because they are a template. ie: {{subst:spam|articlename}}. It is standard policy to use templates to notify someone for trivial policy issues like this. It is faster, neutral and you can always reply to each. It is also pretty standard to not quote entire diffs in a discussion, since you can easily find them in the history of the article. As for guidelines vs. policy, that isn't a license to simply put in any link you want. When I said you put them in using good faith, that means I understand you thought they were the right kinds of links and I didn't think they were ad farms you were profiting from. That doesn't mean they are proper under the guidelines. If you disagree, you should take it to the talk for that article and see if a concensus of editors agree with your conclusion. That is the standard way things get done here. You have been here a long time and I figured you already knew this. The amount of spam and questionable links being put on Misplaced Pages is staggering. It isn't personal when someone like myself reverses an external link, it is just cleaning up. Again, the talk for that article is the place to take the discussion if you think the reverted link belongs. Pharmboy (talk) 14:50, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

"It is standard policy to use templates to notify someone for trivial policy issues like this" - actually, no it is not, especially when the person being notified has been here for a long time. Mac, in fact, has been here since at least 2003. See Misplaced Pages:Don't template the regulars which, while only an essay, has generally broad consensus (ask a few administrators' opinions). --Iamunknown 15:17, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Not familiar with that particular essay (haven't seen it used before) but the last paragraph does clearly state that templates should not be taken personally, as they are a short cut. It wasn't and isn't personal. Mac is a prolific editor and his contributions are appreciated, however this doesn't address the quality of the links, which would normally be discussed on the talk page for the particular article. The ones that were reverted were enough of a commercial nature to warrant it, and discussion and concensus building have never been discouraged. If you look, I did bother to add a personal note, making it clear that I knew the edits were in good faith but still not appropriate (2nd time), which was still within the spirit of your quoted essay. Pharmboy (talk) 16:04, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

::: I am going to disagree that adding a personalised note to a template is "spirit" of the essay; the "spirit" of the essay, in my opinion, is to not leave messages that, among other things, say, "See the welcome page to learn more about Misplaced Pages." to editors who have clearly been here for a very long time. You claim that your use of templates was neutral and "standard"; to a long-standing editor who does not need to be welcomed, however, they are often inflammatory, not matter the suggestion that they not be considered "personal". Please consider modifying the "standard" templates, or abandoning them altogether, when communicating with editors who do not need to be welcomed (as almost all of the templates say such things). --Iamunknown 03:34, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

I just read my comment again ... and I don't think its a particularly calm or constructive comment. Let me make a different statement. I can understand (though do not necessarily agree in every case) that adding a personal note to a template is to a template is in the spirit of "Don't template the regulars". My main concern, and it seems I should not have been concerned in Mac's case :-), is that many "regulars" unfortunately do get offended when they see a generic notice welcoming them to Misplaced Pages and notifying them of some supposed or actual violation of policy. I make it a point to try to not be offended (and I've been here off-and-on for a couple of years), but certainly others have. And, in general, I don't use templates - often, even when I am reverting vandalism, I just type my own note to the account.

Then again, that is my personal opinion, but it is also my opinion that a lot of strife on Misplaced Pages could be averted by others doing the same.  :-) So I can try to convince you but, as I said above, I shouldn't be snarky about it. Anyways, thanks for your calm response ... I am currently working on being calmer myself. --Iamunknown 04:17, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Next time, one can type to include the deleted links and add the reason why one deleted them (this is difficult to include all this information in a single template, when more than a link is deleted, but possible). And it is also difficult to answer in this case. Don't worry about the affair and next time, one can type instead of use template (or change template) ;-)--Mac (talk) 07:04, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I'll drop it now.  :-) --Iamunknown 22:09, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Compressed air articles

Thanks for your recent edits, those articles are looking a lot less like MDI ads than they used to. I'm trying to push specific MDI details onto the MDI page (although I've got no problem with using its technologies as an example, as you have done), and I'm also thrifting 'external links' on each of that cascade of articles so that there aren't too many for each company. Cheers Greg Locock (talk) 21:49, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Good. The MDI can be an example for the open source compressed air car movement. They know aprox. what to look for in the open source Market --Mac (talk) 06:58, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Solar power in the United States

Please rename (move) Solar photovoltaic power in the U.S. to Solar power in the United States. No redirect is necessary. This move has been requested at WP:RM 199.125.109.102 (talk) 20:10, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Done by Vegaswikian. This is OK. Thank you. --Mac (talk) 21:39, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

It should have just been done as a page move though. There is no need to leave behind the former name. 199.125.109.102 (talk) 22:37, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

I differ from this. Solar photovoltaic power in the U.S. can be a splitted article in the near future. --Mac (talk) 22:53, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Types of vehicle

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Speedy deletion of Template:Linkneeded

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AfD nomination of LionEV

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Speedy deletion of Template:Vehicle noprice

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USB link

When creating a wikilink, make sure you link to the expanded name ie make a link to 'Universal Serial Bus', not 'USB'. Otherwise we can get into the situation when another acronym is added and the link will then be in limbo. Electron9 (talk) 16:59, 17 February 2008 (UTC)