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Image:Colonel_Green.jpg‎

As I have pointed out elsewhere there being no just cause for claims of misuse of the photograph placed on the page under "The Fair use Rationale", as I had previously proved enough information to justify it's use based on the policy statements at Misplaced Pages:Assume good faith and Misplaced Pages:Do not disrupt Misplaced Pages to illustrate a point. We're all here for the same purpose, and that's to build an encyclopedia, not to treat one another injustly, each one individual is trying to do his or her best to abide by the rules, The Photograph in question used and placed here in 2005 meets all 10 points of the WP:NFCC#10c. {{Non-free film screenshot}} ] The rational for this image is that it conveys the best image of the the story's main protagonist "bad guy" of this journey, this image is what[REDACTED] refers to as a "fair-use screengrab" and came from noted and respected internet sources.

Here is the specific link to this 1969 third to last episode of the original series entitled, "The Savage Curtain" an original series Star Trek from Paramount Studio's...with the screengrab from an article in question borrowed from here:

"The Wikipedea Hall Of Shame!", A well received parody and information site, known for it's commentary, criticism, comedy, parody, news reporting, videos, and or educational use, and not for profit, heres the exact link within; http://thewikipediahallofshame.blogspot.com/2005_06_01_archive.html and theres also a website article published on the character in a fictional story about him dramatised on the film about it The Savage Curtain.http://trekweb.com/stbbs/showThread.php?bid=FldwoPP0qETo2&tid=47bf783d8c794&threadView=1

Furthermore there is no infringement to use the works of another in such special educational circumstances, such as for commentary, criticism, comedy , parody, news reporting, and or educational use, and not for profit section, as in this case it is presented under several the Educational and commentary/criticism parody and not for profit section, of the International Copyright Act under the Short Film, Performing Arts, Student, Visual Media, and Humanities section, of The International Fair Use Doctrine Laws., and U.S. Laws, fair use is especially important to protect uses a copyright holder may not even approve of, such as criticism or parodies. See Campbell v. Acuff-Rose Music, 510 US 569 (1994)

"The Savage Curtain(Star Trek)|The Savage Curtain]]" ©1969 Paramount Pictures, produced by Fred Freiberger. Cathytreks 06:57, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

The image is transcluded onto two pages, and I do not see individual rationales for both uses (I can't easily find one of them, let alone the other). I think the bot has the same problem, so you might want to repair that. --Dirk Beetstra 12:07, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
I had a second look, this revision was tagged, and it is not clear on which pages this image can be used as fair use. --Dirk Beetstra 12:10, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

It is clear that the image can be used for fair use under the Fair Use Doctrine Laws., and U.S. Laws, fair use is especially important to protect uses a copyright holder may not even approve of, such as criticism or parodies. See Campbell v. Acuff-Rose Music, 510 US 569 (1994) on this page in particular: Colonel Phillip Green in the classic Star Trek episode "The Savage Curtain. Cathytreks 07:39, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

That is not the point, it has to be stated where it can be used, see WP:NFCC #9 "Non-free content is allowed only in articles (not disambiguation pages), and only in article namespace, subject to exemptions. (To prevent an image category from displaying thumbnails, add to it; images are linked, not inlined, from talk pages when they are a topic of discussion.)", and #10c "The name of each article (a link to the articles is recommended as well) in which fair use is claimed for the item, and a separate fair-use rationale for each use of the item, as explained at Misplaced Pages:Non-free use rationale guideline. The rationale is presented in clear, plain language, and is relevant to each use.". The image in question fails both. Hope this explains. --Dirk Beetstra 12:42, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
Note: I have removed this discussion from the image page, please discuss only on talkpages. The image page was difficult to read with the discussion there. Thanks. --Dirk Beetstra 12:47, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Image:Itchy.jpg

I have completed the fair use rationale and, unless there are further concerns, await the removal of the disputed tag. Arch O. La 18:02, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Responsibility

In my opinion, Item #7 in the list above ("I will not add rationales for you as the uploader it is your responsibility NOT mine") is inconsistent with the spirit of Misplaced Pages. It is, of course, the responsibility of the uploader to provide enough information to justify the use of a protected image. However, when one Wikipedian doesn't live up to his or her responsibility, it is better for the rest of us to take up the responsibility ourselves and improve the encyclopedia rather than to nag or kick our colleagues around. I think it is reasonable to hope that someone coming across an incomplete Fair Use rationale could at least determine if the rationale is EVIDENT (a book cover on an article about the book, for example) before putting the image up for deletion and throwing it in the face of the uploader. I base this opinion on the spirit of the policy statements at Misplaced Pages:Assume good faith, Misplaced Pages:Please do not bite the newcomers, and Misplaced Pages:Do not disrupt Misplaced Pages to illustrate a point. We're all here for the same purpose, and that's to build an encyclopedia, not to discipline each other. --Dystopos (talk) 14:55, 25 February 2008 (UTC)


I agree these "Nazi" bots should not be allowed to be disruptive of[REDACTED] operations.

"BetacommandBot will be an ongoing bot, run whenever I can run it, or feel like running it." (C&Ped from the bot userpage)
Seems kinda egotistical of the user who created this bot in my opinion.

I don't like contributing to wiki because of bots like this one as I feel bullied. Flood of SYNs (talk) 21:19, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Very highly agreed SYNs. This bot and bots/users like it are flat-out -ruining- Misplaced Pages. "Assume Good Faith"... bots can't assume! I believe the only bots allowed to run should be for maintenance purposes only, and run by the highest of admins, and nothing less. --75.5.176.16 (talk) 06:50, 26 February 2008 (UTC)


This bot has challenged a number of photographs for which the copyright holders have given their permission for use in Misplaced Pages. It appears that the classification of copyright codes have changed over time. In all cases new codes have been used and a justification included. If permission is granted, surely there is no need for repeated threat of removal.

The most resent photos are

I have deleted the warnings from these images.

DonJay (talk) 02:58, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

That's entirely not the case - Misplaced Pages-permission-only images are specifically not allowed under WP:NONFREE. There needs to be an actual justification. (Some photos do have both, e.g. there are some historically important images from Associated Press which have Misplaced Pages permission, but also have a fair use justification on them.) Please take care before acting on presumptions - David Gerard (talk) 10:37, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Suggested tweaks to the bot messages

There's a lot of noise on wikien-l about the bot in the past few days, but there are also some useful suggestions you may wish to take on board for the bot messages to give it better public relations while it goes about its important work - e.g. noting that the actual deletion is not automatic but is human-reviewed, the bot only tags images for admin attention; etc. We should be able to give the bot better public relations without changing its valuable work. And btw, keep up the good work :-) - David Gerard (talk) 10:41, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

The messages comes from templates. {{Di-disputed fair use rationale}} goes on the image, and {{Di-disputed fair use rationale-notice}} goes on the uploaders talk page. There is also one for the article talk page, but I don't remember that one. I would have appreciated if anyone could make these messages less intimidating. Rettetast (talk) 15:37, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

I hate this bot

Its so annoying, it trys to delete almost every image! --Hicktunus (talk) 16:43, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

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